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In a noEclipse AU, how do you think Casca and Farnese met? cause I need Casca and Farnese to be together in every AU, like griffguts. btw, i really appreciate your blog <333 !!

Hmmm Farnese would still lead the holy iron chain knights, but they wouldn’t have a 2 year pilgramage trailing Guts. They do guard duty too come to think of it… maybe Mozgus goes around to all the kingdoms under the Holy See to be creepy and threatening and ominously suggest they start their own witchhunts etc to prove their devotion to the church or w/e, and they’re his personal guards. Maybe there’s some tension brewing between kingdoms wrt religion and there’s threats of holy wars breaking out. Or, ooh, Ganeshka would still be a thing, maybe this is the holy see’s attempt to unite kingdoms against the Kushans, since Ganeshka is amassing a huge terrifying army and starting to move west. W/e.

So Farnese ends up in Midland for a while. Casca would hate her at first for being a stuck up rich noblewoman who leads an army of guards and can’t even swing a sword, and since this is Griffith’s kingdom now Casca would be his right hand woman while Farnese is Mozgus’, so they might have to interact and feign politeness at like, the hospitality balls and during tense meetings.

(also lmao @ the idea of Griffith dealing with this shit, he’d absolutely hate having to humour someone like mozgus)

Farnese might be kind of in awe of Casca, as someone who clawed her way to power instead of just being appointed due to birth status, plus she’d be attracted to her, and both those things would manifest in hate lol bc Farnese is a mess. Casca would also be kind of jealous of how Farnese had everything handed to her, and would also feel attraction which would piss her off.

Also imagine Farnese spending hours ranting to Serpico about how horrible Casca is, and vice-versa w/ Casca complaining to Judeau, and both Serpico and Judeau being like, hmmmm.

I’d want to manufacture a scenario where Casca has to save Farnese. Political assassination shit? Slooooow burn where this rivalry continues until they go to war together, somehow ending up within interaction-distance of each other lol? Something lighter maybe – a hunting expedition meant to encourage comraderie gone wrong? Anyway smthn happens and Farnese transfers her devotion from God to Casca, and starts listening when she explains how fucked up the inquisition is, and they start bonding and realizing they have things in common despite wildly different upbringings, like parents who didn’t gaf and latching onto causes to feel fulfilled and being sole women surrounded by men, etc.

Idt Farnese’s worldview necessarily has to be shattered before she loses her faith, like in canon, bc I think her faith is just a coping mechanism for loneliness.

Also I rly like the idea of Casca being the one to save someone, instead of needing saving, and that being the start of a romance.

Ok that’s all I can think of for now, this is probably a longer response than you were expecting lol but I just love that love/hate shit so much.

my favorite thing is fanboys talking about how debilman inspired berserk for five hours then saying oh i hope berserk ends with guts killing griffith in a really brutal way

lmao right? also like, i’m js Akira’s insistence on total war against Satan after Miki was killed was pretty strongly portrayed as negative. the message is an unsubtle war is bad, and both Akira and Satan end up seeing the other’s pov and meeting in the middle in the sequel. but I feel like those same fans probably just see the ending as Akira righteously fighting Ryo the evil gay to avenge his dead not gf and then tragically losing the fight so like, w/e.

anyway at this point, with saga all kind of up in the air and no one knowing if ryo and akira are even related to the characters in it, the ryokira story ended with them teaming up to defeat god after banging in hell so

@miura there’s some more inspiration 4u

Basically you’re saying Griffith in an AU could’ve had Guts x Charlotte + Dream . You forgot Casca lmao. She wouldn’t tolerate anything she has her limits seeing that will cause problems and maybe she would’ve activated the Behelit earlier.

Nah I disagree, Casca’s a reasonable person when she’s not like, exhausted to the point of suicide by leading a band of fugitives. She’d be a little jealous, sure, but not sacrifice-all-her-friends jealous. She’s known at least since Promrose Hall that Griffith was gonna marry Charlotte, and she’s known longer than that that Griffith’s in love with Guts, and in general she’s been more than capable of dealing with it, and even found herself gaining respect for both Guts and Charlotte on separate occasions, despite her jealousy.

I think she’d be happy as the general of Midland’s flagship army and she’d eventually move on and find someone else. I mean hey it’s canon that she has plenty of admirers, js

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ngl tho… i’ve been thinking about Godhand Casca in this AU lol, so I definitely don’t completely disagree, we’re actually weirdly on the same wavelength there.

I’d just want something other than jealousy to send her over the edge into despair.

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(…Homura Akemi from pmmm deserves to be namedropped) In any case, have you ever seen Legend of the Galactic Heroes? None of the pairings match the griffguts dynamic imo, but it’s a very interesting series in its own right and one character, Reinhard, has a few things in common with Griffith (though they’re not even close to being identical, to be fair). Sorry if you mentioned your opinions on LOGH already somewhere in the archive.

I’ve only vaguely heard of it, though I have seen that Griffith comparison once or twice. Looking it up really quick tells me that it actually does look like something I’d probably enjoy. It seems worth adding to my list of things I should check out next time I’m bored and in the mood for more involved than youtube cooking channels to watch lol, ty!

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Evengelion is pretty interesting as a piece about mental illness and trauma/warfare that’s been written by an author who was depressed at the time he wrote it- as I greatly suspect Berserk is as well.

oh yeah i mean i’ve definitely argued that berserk is about trauma. i’ll chalk this up as another potential similarity, cool.

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WHITE haired dude i will not stand for this erasure. no jk but yeah that’s pretty much it. it’s just that the dynamic between kaworu and shinji is very different from, for example, guts and griffith’s dynamic so i’m struggling to see the similarity beyond hair colour and idk like shit happening on a cosmic scale or w/e

oh yeah fair enough. i never got into it bc i heard kaworu is only in it briefly so it didn’t seem worth it to me lol. i remember seeing kaworu on a ‘characters who caused the apocalypse bc they’re gay’ list also including ryo and griffith (and some madoka character idk) and like, that is completely not the case in either devilman or berserk so ngl it wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of the other comparisons are pretty shallow or not applicable.

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evangelion is nothing like berserk and devilman idk where people are getting this from

i’ve seen it on lots of lists of things inspired by devilman but idk anything about it other than there’s a blond dude who’s in love with the protag and also the world ends i think? and mechas. and there’s a terrible masturbation scene. that’s the extent of my knowledge lol.

Do you have any suggestions for manga with a “Guts/Griffith dynamics”? For now the only ones I could think of are: Devilman and (very slightly) Evangelion.

Unfortunately I don’t. I would’ve said Devilman but you beat me to it, and I haven’t even read/seen Evangelion myself lol.

If anyone else wants to jump in and suggest something for Anon please do! My manga knowledge is way too thin to be useful here lol. And ngl I’m also v interested if anyone has recs.

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Eventually I’m going to actually sit down and rly suss out the light/dark stuff in Berserk, but for now I’m just gonna say:

in the context of Guts’ feelings towards Griffith, light is the companionship he lost, and the longing for it, and therefore I’m calling Guts’ desire to kill Femto/Griffith his own way of trying to carve out his heart.

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1. This is another one of my favourite expresions in Berserk tbh

2. I’m not saying this is deliberate, I’m not sure it would even be in character, but I can’t help but imagine this as Guts taunting Femto/Griffith about the fact that he was in love with him, his life was destroyed because of him, Guts drove him to make the sacrifice by leaving him, and Guts knows it.

Like yeah logically it’s just Guts being pissed off over the fact that Griffith sacrificed him to become a demon, especially with the follow up “thanks to me who’s fighting an army of the dead because of you,” but man, I’m js that knowing how the Golden Age goes gives this line potential Layers. You’re where you are now because this petty existence had all that power over you.

On the other hand this whole scene exists to set up Griffith making the sacrifice to bury his fragile heart bc of whatever went down w/ Guts, so like, it could be that deep?

Plus Femto’s response:

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Just gonna reiterate that you mean absolutely nothing to me.

Whether that’s what Guts meant to say or not, I’m pretty sure he’s well aware of the irony of Femto emphasising his insignificance now, considering everything that went down between them. He might even stubbornly refuse to go back to post-Speech-to-Charlotte Guts, clinging to the fact that, no, I meant something to you and you meant something to me, and we both know that.

But then he would also have to know that it’s his fault that Griffith went this far. Which we know that he does, but idk, whenever I re-read the manga I feel like we should get to see more guilt from him.

Anyway, I don’t think Miura was fully taking all this into consideration while writing these first few chapters, but in retrospect you have to think about all the layers of meaning behind nearly every word Femto & Guts exchange. Like, this is off topic, but it’s in these chapters that Guts first finds out what sacrificing someone really means, and he doesn’t really react in any significant way, when realistically he should.

To be fair he’s unconscious when the Godhand actually explain the sacrifice and tell the Count that a sacrifice has to be someone you love so much it’s like they’re part of you. Which imo is kind of a hmmmm in and of itself, like there’s no reason Guts had to be unconscious at any point at all since he could barely move anyway, except to miss the explanation of who can be sacrificed. When he does wake up he just lies there and listens to the Count’s backstory before finally telling Puck to heal him. So I feel like it kind of suggests that Guts knowing that info might affect some things.

But otherwise yeah ia. I’m actually kind of rly into the idea of Guts stubbornly clinging to the knowledge that he was important to Griffith, hard earned as it was, now that you mention that. At least between the Eclipse and Griffith’s rebirth.

It’s like… idk I think there’s an argument that he left the Hawks because he knew he did mean something to Griffith, and that gave him the confidence to believe he could truly become his bff4ever if he changed his whole life lol. Whereas if he thought Griffith genuinely couldn’t give a shit about him he wouldn’t even try.

And then I think a similar way of thinking could be informing his behaviour during the Black Swordsman stuff. Like, I know I meant something to you, deny it all you want, I’m going to find you and force you to acknowledge me.

But after NGriff ditches him I think he kind of gives that up? Which is why he’s able to put his revenge thing on hold – it starts to feel futile when he genuinely believes NGriff feels nothing at all towards him. (Which is why that beating heart is a game changer in waiting js.)

idk lol I’m just thinking outloud.

And yeah like, it’s textual that he feels guilty for Griffith’s breakdown, from letting Casca stab him to:

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But I do wish we saw more of that post-Eclipse other than the recurring moments when he thinks about Griffith kneeling in the snow and mopes lol. It kind of makes sense to me that we don’t see Guts feeling guilty after the Eclipse because I feel like the point of the Eclipse rape was to piss Guts off enough that he’d basically channel his guilt into rage, but I feel like we should still see more inner conflict. Not that we don’t see any, but yk, I always want more.

Ohhh, man, I remembered he got knocked out but I thought we didn’t get to see the exact moment when he came to … so I thought, you know, we don’t know exactly how much he’s heard?

But I went to check and this is him twitching awake after all the juicy details have been laid out:

Which is honestly even better than him hearing all that and not reacting.

He does get to hear these parts though:

I honestly like to interpret his expression here as loathing directed specifically @ the God Hand sans Griffith/Femto, for waltzing in and ruining everything lol.

And I agree with everything else you brought up! Like, Guts can actually be pretty confident and even cocky, so it’s not like he’s constantly putting himself down. He’s just a little naive, bless his heart.

I can’t WAIT for Neo-Griff to finally snap lol

It’s gotta happen. Even if Guts’ storyline is wall-to-wall disappointment I know in my soul NGriff’s is going somewhere good.

And yeah I’m sure the parallels aren’t lost on Guts lol, but i guess it’s not quite as direct as essentially saying ‘being able to sacrifice someone is proof that you love them.’ Also yeah I’m into that interpretation of his anger there, like imo he hates Femto on a personal level for being an evil version of the dude he loves, but he def hates the rest of the Godhand for facilitating it. His reaction when seeing Slan in the troll cave was even more overwhelmingly rage-y than when he saw NGriff on the Hill of Swords, eg.

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I’m not a native english speaker, so please sorry if i wrote smth wrong.
There is one fic but it’s in russian. It’s short, gen and actually just humor fic. Guts had bet with Griff that he would learn how to read. And he goes to their band chaplain and convince him to teach him by some porn book which Griff gave him.
There are some good berserk fics in russian, and at least three good griffguts fics.

That sounds cute lol, but damn, monolingualism strikes again 😦 google translate just isn’t the same. Oh well, I’m happy for you and other Russian speakers who can enjoy them, and there are a few good fics in English too so I shouldn’t complain lol. I just always wish there were more.

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1. This is another one of my favourite expresions in Berserk tbh

2. I’m not saying this is deliberate, I’m not sure it would even be in character, but I can’t help but imagine this as Guts taunting Femto/Griffith about the fact that he was in love with him, his life was destroyed because of him, Guts drove him to make the sacrifice by leaving him, and Guts knows it.

Like yeah logically it’s just Guts being pissed off over the fact that Griffith sacrificed him to become a demon, especially with the follow up “thanks to me who’s fighting an army of the dead because of you,” but man, I’m js that knowing how the Golden Age goes gives this line potential Layers. You’re where you are now because this petty existence had all that power over you.

On the other hand this whole scene exists to set up Griffith making the sacrifice to bury his fragile heart bc of whatever went down w/ Guts, so like, it could be that deep?

Plus Femto’s response:

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Just gonna reiterate that you mean absolutely nothing to me.

Whether that’s what Guts meant to say or not, I’m pretty sure he’s well aware of the irony of Femto emphasising his insignificance now, considering everything that went down between them. He might even stubbornly refuse to go back to post-Speech-to-Charlotte Guts, clinging to the fact that, no, I meant something to you and you meant something to me, and we both know that.

But then he would also have to know that it’s his fault that Griffith went this far. Which we know that he does, but idk, whenever I re-read the manga I feel like we should get to see more guilt from him.

Anyway, I don’t think Miura was fully taking all this into consideration while writing these first few chapters, but in retrospect you have to think about all the layers of meaning behind nearly every word Femto & Guts exchange. Like, this is off topic, but it’s in these chapters that Guts first finds out what sacrificing someone really means, and he doesn’t really react in any significant way, when realistically he should.

To be fair he’s unconscious when the Godhand actually explain the sacrifice and tell the Count that a sacrifice has to be someone you love so much it’s like they’re part of you. Which imo is kind of a hmmmm in and of itself, like there’s no reason Guts had to be unconscious at any point at all since he could barely move anyway, except to miss the explanation of who can be sacrificed. When he does wake up he just lies there and listens to the Count’s backstory before finally telling Puck to heal him. So I feel like it kind of suggests that Guts knowing that info might affect some things.

But otherwise yeah ia. I’m actually kind of rly into the idea of Guts stubbornly clinging to the knowledge that he was important to Griffith, hard earned as it was, now that you mention that. At least between the Eclipse and Griffith’s rebirth.

It’s like… idk I think there’s an argument that he left the Hawks because he knew he did mean something to Griffith, and that gave him the confidence to believe he could truly become his bff4ever if he changed his whole life lol. Whereas if he thought Griffith genuinely couldn’t give a shit about him he wouldn’t even try.

And then I think a similar way of thinking could be informing his behaviour during the Black Swordsman stuff. Like, I know I meant something to you, deny it all you want, I’m going to find you and force you to acknowledge me.

But after NGriff ditches him I think he kind of gives that up? Which is why he’s able to put his revenge thing on hold – it starts to feel futile when he genuinely believes NGriff feels nothing at all towards him. (Which is why that beating heart is a game changer in waiting js.)

idk lol I’m just thinking outloud.

And yeah like, it’s textual that he feels guilty for Griffith’s breakdown, from letting Casca stab him to:

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But I do wish we saw more of that post-Eclipse other than the recurring moments when he thinks about Griffith kneeling in the snow and mopes lol. It kind of makes sense to me that we don’t see Guts feeling guilty after the Eclipse because I feel like the point of the Eclipse rape was to piss Guts off enough that he’d basically channel his guilt into rage, but I feel like we should still see more inner conflict. Not that we don’t see any, but yk, I always want more.

I’m now bored at work and thinking about what Godhand Casca would be like in an AU where Griffith was carrying the behelit for her

I’m thinking she’d immediately take over Ubik’s job bc she’s good at reading people and she’s one of the few berserk characters willing to talk about what she sees lol, and if she aimed that at sussing out people’s weaknesses she could completely destroy whoever she was talking to. like i bet she’d be fantastic at convincing people to make sacrifices

also i’m thinking scary thick exoskeleton armour with like, spikes or something, but with her head and face bare and not very changed, other than more demon-y eyes. she’d project a sense of immense strength. maybe wings, bc most of the godhand have wings.

Also she’s very hot blooded as a human but with the knowledge that she’s completely invulnerable as a Godhand she might be a little colder and deliberate? I think a lot of her rage is rooted in overcompensating for her feelings of weakness, yk, so it makes sense to me that she might be less likely to lose it and lash out and more likely to express her rage in precision strikes, whether verbal or physical lol. Like eg the way she screamed at Adon while she was feverish and losing the fight vs the way she smugly took him out when she was at full strength.

also godhand casca/slan. that evil butch/evil femme aesthetic. js js.

who else has thoughts on what casca’s inner darkness would be like?

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1. This is another one of my favourite expresions in Berserk tbh

2. I’m not saying this is deliberate, I’m not sure it would even be in character, but I can’t help but imagine this as Guts taunting Femto/Griffith about the fact that he was in love with him, his life was destroyed because of him, Guts drove him to make the sacrifice by leaving him, and Guts knows it.

Like yeah logically it’s just Guts being pissed off over the fact that Griffith sacrificed him to become a demon, especially with the follow up “thanks to me who’s fighting an army of the dead because of you,” but man, I’m js that knowing how the Golden Age goes gives this line potential Layers. You’re where you are now because this petty existence had all that power over you.

On the other hand this whole scene exists to set up Griffith making the sacrifice to bury his fragile heart bc of whatever went down w/ Guts, so like, it could be that deep?

Plus Femto’s response:

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Just gonna reiterate that you mean absolutely nothing to me.

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when i find myself in times of trouble

skull and flora come to me

speaking words of wisdom

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i just can’t get over the fact that you started writing that awesome meta on what’s gonna happen along with skullknight’s role and you didn’t even remember that flora had suggested that as well lol

lmao i’m glad you appreciate that fact lol, honestly it was a real fist pump moment when i coincidentally re-read this part after coming up with the idea of sk and danann plotting behelit shennanigans together

makes me wonder what else i’ve forgotten tbh

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idk tho in say an au where like, guts never overheard the promrose hall speech and they made it to tombstone of flame i could see griffith reaching a point where he’d be able to accept his own feelings

“do you think that i’m cruel” is just so like, emotionally vulnerable. he was totally getting there, to like, yk, being more honest w/ himself

and then you have him crying after charlotte which is also an emotional admittance

so it’s not like i exaggerate his ability to deny shit to himself (well maybe i do but i love that so fuck it) but i may not give him enough credit for occasional moments of honestly

then again that’s short term. it’s one thing to say griffith could throw care to the wind in the heat of the moment and have emotionally intense sex, it’s another thing to think he could live with himself knowing he’d rather have guts + love than charlotte + dream

on the other hand there’s no reason he has to think of it that way since there’s no reason he can’t have both. like… in theory there’s a perfectly legit berserk au where griffith and guts hooked up and griffith still became king, successfully having his cake and eating it too

so idk maybe if he got with guts it wouldn’t be so much denying that he values guts more than his dream as just dismissing that as irrelevant bc he’ll just get both

So much good fic has tones of both. Analyzers have some of the best fic ideas, and good fic is based on examining the source. Idk man ydy bc whatever it is it’s hella good shit.

But like Guts gets such puppy eyes sometimes when he’s sad, like after the Primrose Hall speech. Imagine Griffith withdrawing emotionally (and physically) after sex and Guts just not being able to contain his sad confused expressions?? (Let’s be real he was basically just a rlly sad puppy throughout the entire Golden Age.)

Idk man let’s be real would Griffith be able to shut out those unintentionally honest and sad puppy eyes?

Yeah v true, a lot of my favourite fics are rly analytical lol. and ty!

omggg I can just see it. I think that would actually be more devastating than the promrose hall speech for Guts. Like Griffith’s speech was impersonal, Guts felt inadequate but decided he could change to fit Griffith’s definition of a friend and then everything would be fine. But a much more personal rejection after the most intimate he’s ever been with anyone would really fuck him up.

Though I guess it would depend on how obvious Griffith was about withdrawing. Like if it was a full on rejection as he tries to re-orient himself back around his dream I could see Guts basically cutting and running in a fit of self loathing (or self destructing a la Griffith but in some other more Guts-y way); if it was just becoming more distant that would also fuck Guts up but like, more slowly over time rather than immediately. Maybe the 2nd one is better bc there’s more room for puppy dog eyes that way lol.

I pray there be happy worlds where Griffith had a moment of self awareness and realized he was about to seriously hurt Guts. Imo he doesn’t have the courage to admit he loves Guts, but he’s even less capable of letting something hurt Guts.

like they wouldn’t work everything out in a single heartfelt night, but before things went to hell Griffith was showing some real emotional openness.

Oh yeah I don’t think like, it’s inevitable that a sexual encounter between them is going to end in tears. I think this is just one plausible possibility. Bc yeah especially w/ Tombstone of Flame, Griffith was getting a lot more open. And def, I could totally see Griffith immediately regretting a negative reaction when he sees how hurt Guts is.

Like my Official Statement™ on griffguts as a potential couple 
(yk like basically what I think Berserk genuinely suggests, at least according to my interpretation lol)

is that they would’ve worked, and without Promrose Hall the trajectory of their relationship was headed straight for both finding exactly what they each want and need most in the other. I actually totally think that if he had to, Griffith would choose Guts over the dream and would eventually be able to live with that.

But there’s also so much gr8 potential for drama lol, it’s hard to resist.

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lol ya, i’ve been tryna figure out for years if guts can read but all evidence points to negative 😦

lol i’m glad someone else is also invested in whether guts can read or not. it makes the most sense that he wouldn’t be able to considering like, his entire life, but now that i’ve thought of the whole late nights with griffith thing… damn missed opportunity there

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the first bubble is guts asking “wicker man?”, the second is
schierke responding by saying shes read about it – the little tail on the
second bubble points towards her. we see guts looking at the contents
of a book in vargas’ house in black swordsman arc, but who knows if he
was actually reading it or not. imo theres no way guts can read unless
griff taught him lol, altho im sure he can understand basic stuff like road signs n whatnot

oh shit you’re right i didn’t notice it was two separate bubbles. the phrasing is def v scherike but i was assuming that was a fan translation problem lol

hm both glad bc that would’ve been weird, but also disappointed bc i was kind of into the idea of guts knowing this particular random fact

and ok one more thing about this part

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this is actually pretty damn non-wholesome, to the extent that i’m kind of surprised none of the characters were like, ‘wait a second this oppressively cutesy place attacked us with a giant cage full of the trapped spirits of people they burned alive to power it’

like it just kind of happened completely without commentary or attention drawn to it, and lbr it’s berserk so it can get away with that

but also i’m happily filing it away as strong evidence that elfhelm is more than capable of being fucked up. like, magic drawing power from the lives of sacrificed people eh? where’ve we seen that before?

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idk tho in say an au where like, guts never overheard the promrose hall speech and they made it to tombstone of flame i could see griffith reaching a point where he’d be able to accept his own feelings

“do you think that i’m cruel” is just so like, emotionally vulnerable. he was totally getting there, to like, yk, being more honest w/ himself

and then you have him crying after charlotte which is also an emotional admittance

so it’s not like i exaggerate his ability to deny shit to himself (well maybe i do but i love that so fuck it) but i may not give him enough credit for occasional moments of honestly

then again that’s short term. it’s one thing to say griffith could throw care to the wind in the heat of the moment and have emotionally intense sex, it’s another thing to think he could live with himself knowing he’d rather have guts + love than charlotte + dream

on the other hand there’s no reason he has to think of it that way since there’s no reason he can’t have both. like… in theory there’s a perfectly legit berserk au where griffith and guts hooked up and griffith still became king, successfully having his cake and eating it too

so idk maybe if he got with guts it wouldn’t be so much denying that he values guts more than his dream as just dismissing that as irrelevant bc he’ll just get both

So much good fic has tones of both. Analyzers have some of the best fic ideas, and good fic is based on examining the source. Idk man ydy bc whatever it is it’s hella good shit.

But like Guts gets such puppy eyes sometimes when he’s sad, like after the Primrose Hall speech. Imagine Griffith withdrawing emotionally (and physically) after sex and Guts just not being able to contain his sad confused expressions?? (Let’s be real he was basically just a rlly sad puppy throughout the entire Golden Age.)

Idk man let’s be real would Griffith be able to shut out those unintentionally honest and sad puppy eyes?

Yeah v true, a lot of my favourite fics are rly analytical lol. and ty!

omggg I can just see it. I think that would actually be more devastating than the promrose hall speech for Guts. Like Griffith’s speech was impersonal, Guts felt inadequate but decided he could change to fit Griffith’s definition of a friend and then everything would be fine. But a much more personal rejection after the most intimate he’s ever been with anyone would really fuck him up.

Though I guess it would depend on how obvious Griffith was about withdrawing. Like if it was a full on rejection as he tries to re-orient himself back around his dream I could see Guts basically cutting and running in a fit of self loathing (or self destructing a la Griffith but in some other more Guts-y way); if it was just becoming more distant that would also fuck Guts up but like, more slowly over time rather than immediately. Maybe the 2nd one is better bc there’s more room for puppy dog eyes that way lol.

idk tho in say an au where like, guts never overheard the promrose hall speech and they made it to tombstone of flame i could see griffith reaching a point where he’d be able to accept his own feelings

“do you think that i’m cruel” is just so like, emotionally vulnerable. he was totally getting there, to like, yk, being more honest w/ himself

and then you have him crying after charlotte which is also an emotional admittance

so it’s not like i exaggerate his ability to deny shit to himself (well maybe i do but i love that so fuck it) but i may not give him enough credit for occasional moments of honestly

then again that’s short term. it’s one thing to say griffith could throw care to the wind in the heat of the moment and have emotionally intense sex, it’s another thing to think he could live with himself knowing he’d rather have guts + love than charlotte + dream

on the other hand there’s no reason he has to think of it that way since there’s no reason he can’t have both. like… in theory there’s a perfectly legit berserk au where griffith and guts hooked up and griffith still became king, successfully having his cake and eating it too

so idk maybe if he got with guts it wouldn’t be so much denying that he values guts more than his dream as just dismissing that as irrelevant bc he’ll just get both

madchen
replied to your post “like in canon griffith could only admit he loves guts after losing his…”

friends w benefits griffguts is so funny and also terrible lmao

@griff-guts said:
griff: me n guts are
friends w benefits but sometimes after sex he holds me and i fall asleep
in his arms and my chest feels really warm…. and when we don’t cuddle
after sex i get rly sad and hate myself….. but we’re just friends lol
it’s all just meaningless sex for fun!!!

i can’t think of a ship less able to handle it lmao, this is so real.

(and bc i’m still having Thoughts on potential terrible relationship outcomes lol: I feel like griffith would overcompensate and get rly cold and aloof which would terrify guts bc he needs affection and affirmation. like i can’t see griffith maintaining his canon level of regard for guts while adding sex to the mix it would be too Obvious and hard to deny how he really feels. and then guts would back off similarly which would freak griffith out and it would freak him out that he’s freaked out and it would just be off the charts self loathing all around)

like in canon griffith could only admit he loves guts after losing his dream bc before that admitting it is basically making a conscious choice between guts and his dream, and choosing guts

and idk how he’d react to that but idt it would be peaceful acceptance

(tho i think you could make a case that he would tell himself he’s only physically attracted to guts and try to nsa sex it. which would just be an incredible trainwreck)

hot take of the night:

i think guts would be more likely to initiate sex/a relationship/a confession/etc than griffith

and i think if the other did make a move guts is more likely to reciprocate and griffith is more likely to run tf away