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seisans
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i think it was probably meant as a shock value thing more than anything, like yes the idea was to feel the anger and betrayal guts was feeling, but imo it wasn’t meant to make us hate griffith the character as a whole from that point onward. because the way miura presents his story after the eclipse is very generous
like it was a shoking turning point that
was supposed to 1) give guts revenge motivation but also 2) really
drive home the ~morally ambiguous~ thing he’s trying to go with, which
might have been the worst fail ever because not only is rape generally
tied to pure evil villainy but also miura /kinda/ made that connection
too. i mean he was actually trying to make that “there’s evil in the
world bc everyone has a dark core” point

and also maybe
something about ultimate freedom (which is why it’s the apostles that
rape like almost every time) but he just failed so hard on that front bc
everyone saw the eclipse rape scene and was like, oh ok so we’re
supposed to hate griffith then. and instead of making their view of the
story more ambiguous and open, it made it completely black and white.
the literal opposite of what miura was imo going for

one thing that i think
the eclipse rape does do is drive home the hatred griffith felt for
guts when he was at his lowest, because those are the feelings that come
to surface when he’s stripped down to only his “evil core.” however the
counter-argument there is that it absolutely didn’t have to be rape,
like you mentioned in another post. it could have been torture or
whatever else. and i’m so pissed off that he went with rape in the end
bc it just cheapened everything

Hm yeah it’s meant to illustrate Femto as an entity made out of evil and Griffith’s inner darkness, make us hate him specifically and empathize with Guts’ desire for revenge. I def agree that it’s not meant to make us retroactively hate Griffith, it’s pretty clear that human Griffith is still meant to be very sympathetic and not Femto-lite or anything like that lmao, I mean look at how Guts remembers him.

NeoGriffith, idfk. It seems clear that we’re not meant to hate him, considering how he’s framed as the hero of his own story with his own loathsome antagonists and a cause we’re meant to generally consider good, and allies we’re meant to like, etc. But we’re probably still supposed to be wary of him, and uncertain about him? His whole thing is ambiguity. So idk, maybe Miura intended for it to be obvious that NGriff isn’t the exact same as Femto just like regular Griffith isn’t, so distancing the Eclipse rape from his narrative doesn’t feel awkward as fuck to him lol.

And yeah in addition to illustrating his evil it does illustrate his negative feelings towards Guts, also necessary, but yeah, choosing rape as that illustration was bad, and the particular way Miura went about it was even worse.

so ……… berserk is red pill vs blue pill 

not sure if this is a matrix ref or a reddit ref lol. both kinda make sense…

i’m hoping miura
doesn’t rush this. bc it’s still not entirely clear what he’s really
going for, and i’d kind of like it to be, by the end 

depends, if it’s gonna suck i just want the band aid ripped off, but if he’s going to surprise me and it’s gonna be good i want to savour it. and also yeah, understanding it would be nice too lmao, but I feel like that’ll be more clear after whatever happens w/ casca happens. that’s the make or break for me.

honestly the concept
of falconia is so sexy, starting with the ripped statues outside and
ending with its literally lusted after angelic beautiful leader like
come on. props to him, griffith haters need to give credit where credit
is due 

when one of your literal superpowers is magic sex appeal you don’t have to go the extra mile, but he did. what an icon

seisans
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and then they didn’t get a 4th duel on the hill of swords and griffith just won the encounter by being untouchable and not giving a fuck, making guts feel basically like griffith or fate or whoever was just giving him a taste of his own medicine lol

lmao yeah true

I’ll never get over “this time I’m the one who was deserted” lol

seisans
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yeah and for me, since we already had the flawless original, this just felt like a soulless copy. idk. i’m notoriously salty about miura’s art “progression” and i guess i’ll continue to be. i don’t know if i trust him enough to believe it was an intentional tonal shift but even if it was the tone is far from all that’s bothering me about it so yeah. but here’s to hoping ig

legit af, but man i just want to cling to any hope that the final confrontation between guts and griffith isn’t gonna look like this lol

seisans
replied to your post “Reading chapter 355 and seeing how the art style in those last panels…”

no offense to the anon but i’m gonna disagree and say that it didn’t look like his old art style at all. like yeah it was detailed and it was dark sort of by default just by being a drawing of a tortured body. but for me personally, and art is subjective of course, it lacked like … all heart. it was technically impressive and that’s all, which cannot even compare to what miura was able to do. so i’d say maybe don’t get your hopes up
anyway the art style shift was at least
partly due to miura switching to digital … other possible culprits are:
assistants, editors telling him to moe it up for wider readership, or
even an injury/health issue of sorts (though i haven’t heard anything
like that)

hm yeah ikwym, i feel like that spread of griff hit a v dark tone, but not a particularly emotional one. griffith’s tortured body was emphasized, but unlike the original scene it was less about the tragedy of seeing a beloved character in that state and more… simple ominousness.

but i feel like it was maybe fitting for the context of casca flashing back to something she found horrific as a lead-in to a potential breakdown.

but yeah ty for the addition. one thing i really hope is that it isn’t just a case of miura absorbing that moeish style and vomiting it back out onto the page. i’d much rather blame assistants or digitalization or a deliberate shift to fit the cutesy elfhelm and idyllic falconia tones.

seisans
replied to your post “Okay but how come guts reacts this way when seeing griff tortured face…”

this take is completely legit but tbh i also think we cannot forget the fact that guts was practically obsessed with griffith’s beauty … not that his reaction to seeing griffith’s ruined face is all about his looks, but rather like, i think that works into what you said about guts seeing griffith as a regular human for the first time, since his beauty is one of the major things that makes people see him as otherworldly and godlike lol
but i just love the fact that it’s his face. it’s his beautiful, ruined face that does it for guts

lmao ngl after answering that question i immediately regretted not finishing my post with “actually scratch all that, guts nearly has a breakdown entirely because griffith’s hair is short now”

but for real yeah that actually is a legit aspect probably, because his looks are a big part of what makes him seem godlike and untouchable, and guts really did pay particular attention to yk his “dazzling” “beautiful” looks

seisans
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yeah i feel like i can’t imagine him detailing it completely just because like. 1. he’s trying to maintain this perfect image but also 2. he seems to want to put this behind him and pretend like it doesn’t affect him … as part of pretending like guts is irrelevant to him now yk? but yea

Yeah I imagine the explanation is either a very large lie by omission (like, Rickert resents me because I led the Hawks into an unwinnable battle) or a little closer to the truth but without the gritty details (God took their lives to grant me a new beginning and the power to save the world, or smthn)

@chaoticgaygriffith said:
you dare diss the
films ….. when the anime series exist ……. both the old one and the new
one tbh 1997 has its moments but it mostly failed us when it comes to
character designs
the music and the scenery + some colour choices, goddd for all its flaws …. it’s an Experience


@phydia63​ said: same! i love the way the noses are drawn.

Yeah I love a lot about the old anime, including the style (like everything you said, + the 90s animation in general tbh, esp with the stills) but the ova character designs are my fave next to the late golden age manga style

seisans
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i’d say it depends on how she finds out. does she see it with her own eyes? does someone tell her? does GRIFFITH tell her? makes a big difference imo

oh yeah v true. I’ve actually thought about Griffith telling her a watered down version of events after Rickert showed up. Or he might’ve already mentioned some stuff back when he first rescued her, assuming she had a question or two about why he’s hanging out with monsters and can now perform miracles lol.

@griff-guts said: same lol charlotte (and characters in general) as representative of themes is My Shit

lol yeah I love that, and Berserk is great for this tbh

seisans
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for some reason i totally thought we were supposed to assume it’s his first time lol ….. idk he’s just so gaycoded that it’s the only option for me

I’ll also add that I want to take the parallels to the g*tsca sex scene as another reason it’s his first time

guts and griffith both having het sex to try to avoid confronting their feelings for each other, and it destroys everyone’s lives and the golden age is a cautionary tale about heterosexuality

seisans said:
im losing my MINDDDDDD that people think
this is proof he liked her. it’s called being gay and repressed holy
shit i’ve never seen a more accurate depiction of how heteronormativity
messes with a gay person (in manga anyway) and people think it’s
attraction looooord help me

honestly it’s so real, like fucking everything about griffith’s story fits the repressed gay narrative. idk how miura did it if it was an accident lol.

but like, yeah i get being confused by those scenes, particularly the wagon one, but the one conclusion you definitely cannot draw from them is that griffith loves casca because he literally tries to kill himself right after imagining a quiet “content” domestic life with her lol. I’m almost morbidly curious about the arguments the person who sent me those asks saw.

flooracle
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I think that if he did it, he retaliated a direct attack on God (more or less) because of his knightly code, not despite.

yeah i could see it tbh. His loyalty to Griffith def seems like his highest priority and if he did it it comes across as a demanding satisfaction kind of thing lol. Also kinda mirrors Guts being all too happy to assassinate Julius after he slapped Griffith (not that guts has a knightly code, but yk)

@seisans said: i honestly love how many references berserk has it’s like a treasure hunt

ikr, from things like star wars to ridiculously obscure stuff like random pulp fantasy novels. idk if this is an intentional ref but knowing some other weird things miura references it wouldn’t even surprise me that much lol.

seisans
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i really think this is the true ending

honestly tho. griffith’s narrative is 110% about the dream vs guts and if that’s not still the case i’ll eat my hat. it’s what it’s all building towards.

@yesgabsstuff said:
Omg Guts is so a stunt
driver or some other bullshit job where he could actually hurt himself.
His whole arc is realizing that while he’s not getting drunk and
getting into fights with strangers at bars he’s still self destructive
with ~love~ in his life. 

yeah i feel like any job guts has in a modern au should be something physical that also takes skill, something he can do as a mental distraction, and something that can potentially be self destructive lol.

@jaeger-der-nacht said:
May I add that I can imagine Guts very well as a kendo teacher in modern au? 

Ooh yeah I like this idea. Something physical and skilled, that preserves his fighting ability, plus I think he would be a good teacher. (we see him w/ isidro i guess, and that seems to be going well).

seisans
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same god tho i tend to prefer canon anyway so that works out

yeah same and one nice thing about berserk is that canon aus (or whatever you call AUs where it’s basically same as canon but one thing happened differently, which are my fave kind of aus) are so full of possibilities and fun to think about without changing the characters at all

seisans
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yeah exactly that, and i don’t really like assigning an imaginary personality that i would personally enjoy .. to him? you know what i mean? so i’m just like, yeah i wish i knew which rpdr queens he would like, that’d tell me a lot about him

yeah this is a lot of why I kind of suck at modern au concepts. unless I can come up with a strong modern equivalent to his life in canon I feel like I’m not creative enough to fill in the blanks lol.

(so like, eg if there was a queen who tends to take huge risks and forces them through sheer effort to pay off or smthn I’d be like, he’d like her best bc we know he admires behaviour like that. otherwise, idk.)

seisans
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yeah, it’s just such a fun show that it’s hard to think about this when we don’t really know griffith when he’s at his most relaxed. or what he REALLY likes about other people. like pretty much all the queens work hard (though some obviously stand out) but some are look queens, some have personalities that really stand out, some are funny, and i’m like well i could see him appreciating all of this so … idk

yeah actually true, bc we don’t know much about griffith’s feelings about anything that isn’t yk, important + deep stuff. when it comes to shallow thoughts on things he’s kind of a closed book. so yeah, I guess I can’t read Berserk and say he’d prefer a britney spears lipsynch to a lady gaga one lol, or someone who prioritizes surreal looks vs comedy.

seisans
replied to your post “modern au where griffith is a huge fan of RuPaul‘s Drag Race”

i mean he’s gay so like sure yeah in a modern au he’d most likely be watching drag race. can’t take this any further because it’s so removed from canon that it’s hard to come up with anything that isn’t just my own opinions
like which queens he’d like and which not … who tf knows

idk since it’s a reality show w/ strong personalities you could probably argue he’d eg identify with A and therefore love (or hate) her, or admire B’s drive and unceasing effort, or C’s ability to think outside the box, or whatever. Kinda wish I was more familiar with rpdr lol, it might be fun to think about.

seisans
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whenever i see people…”

oh i do actually think casca’s not gonna forgive guts though! say what you will about miura but at the end of the day he’s a brilliant writer, and i feel like whether or not he understands women and casca as a character, he knows what would make for a really bad story. guts and casca having a happily ever after would be the most boring shit ever, i don’t think he would do that
but i DO think that all the little
nuances of casca that make her so relatable to women and maybe
especially wlw were just kind of accidental. no man understands women
like that

ohh yeah i see what you mean then by Miura only ever accidentally writing women well. bc like I do think he sometimes does pretty good with writing women as interesting well rounded characters, but boy when he gets into gendered stuff specifically, yk that kind of men are like this and women are like this shit, or the experience of being a woman in a misogynistic world stuff, etc, it’s absolutely super basic at best and usually just Bad as we see over and over with Casca, among other examples.

So yeah when it comes to like, eg expectations of a nuanced and thoughtful portrayal of Casca’s reaction to her extremely gendered trauma I have basement level expectations, and it wouldn’t exactly surprise me if Miura thought Casca being in love with Guts and/or forgiving him was a reasonable emotional response as a woman-driven-by-her-emotions-for-men.

But yeah, characterization aside, narratively it would just not be good writing, and lbr we’ve had a ton of foreshadowing and it’s not pointing towards Guts and Casca getting a happily ever after. At least not any time soon. And I’m just gonna keep my fingers crossed that whatever actually happens effectively nips the romantic potential in the bud.

madchen
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whenever i see people
gush about casca as like a…”

tbh luca might be one of the better written female characters too never mind that shes a sex worker. she gets a few monologues of her own which is more than i can say for casca.
anyway yea i dont
think its intentional and even if it is its full of many of the mistakes
that men make when depicting violence against women that idc

i always forget about luca lol but yeah she is actually a pretty well-rounded character considering her comparatively small amount of screentime and she gets to fill the role of smart philosophical character explaining the arc’s themes lol, which is kind of refreshing. ofc we still see her tiddies and get ridiculous campy fanservice from her, but i mean, that’s a woman in berserk for you. like jeez we even saw flora’s aged-down tits lmao.

@seisans said: i honestly feel like all the good
writing involving the female characters of berserk was like. purely
accidental. not that miura didn’t try to portray gutsca as a stupid
decision, he really did imo, but he also has no idea what women are like
and is just writing out of his ass. i firmly believe that

I know in my soul you and maddie are right but I’m trying to cling to every scrap of hope I can now that Casca’s mind is back and she could potentially like, do literally anything that isn’t either ‘get back together with guts’ or ‘maintain a tense relationship that could return to romance at some point in the future for the sake of a happy ending, thus filling me with dread for the remainder of berserk.’

seisans
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js if guts and griffith made out griffith would freak out not just about his dream but also about the fact that guts might have just been drunk or had a little lapse of judgment and would regret it in the morning & leave

this is an extremely good point

man there are so many ways for griffith to be a complete mess about this lol. i feel like guts would be the relatively chill one.

seisans
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i would love this bc i personally don’t understand guts as well as i do griffith

lol honestly same tho, i actually basically wrote this in the tags of that post and then deleted it bc it was getting rambly lol. but like, when it comes to griffith i’m super confident about my take but when it comes to guts it feels more like guesswork. you’d think it would be the opposite considering he’s the main character and we see inside his head way more often, but idk lol.

seisans
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WHITE haired dude i will not stand for this erasure. no jk but yeah that’s pretty much it. it’s just that the dynamic between kaworu and shinji is very different from, for example, guts and griffith’s dynamic so i’m struggling to see the similarity beyond hair colour and idk like shit happening on a cosmic scale or w/e

oh yeah fair enough. i never got into it bc i heard kaworu is only in it briefly so it didn’t seem worth it to me lol. i remember seeing kaworu on a ‘characters who caused the apocalypse bc they’re gay’ list also including ryo and griffith (and some madoka character idk) and like, that is completely not the case in either devilman or berserk so ngl it wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of the other comparisons are pretty shallow or not applicable.

seisans
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evangelion is nothing like berserk and devilman idk where people are getting this from

i’ve seen it on lots of lists of things inspired by devilman but idk anything about it other than there’s a blond dude who’s in love with the protag and also the world ends i think? and mechas. and there’s a terrible masturbation scene. that’s the extent of my knowledge lol.

alumirust
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Ohh, I see. I think I dealt with a similar issue with docs and tumblr’s formatting.

yeah. plus tumblr formatting is super glitchy lol with the automatic double spacing that just occasionally stops working for no reason, eg. like there are tricks to fix it but lol @ tumblr in general

@seisans said:
yeah i feel you :/ you
could also just ctrl+a, copy, quickly save just the text in a notepad
jic. after a few passages. or just draft the post and then re-open it
and continue 

yeah i need to be more conscientious about saving more often in general, this has always been one of my major writing flaws lol. plus using google docs a lot also has the unfortunate side effect of making me even more likely to forget i need to save manually when i’m writing in other programs/sites

seisans
replied to your post “last night i was finally making headway in this post about why guts…”

do it in notepad first and save the file immediately and keep saving it as you’re typing

i‘ve been writing long posts in google docs bc it conveniently saves automatically but then it’s also a pain in the ass bc i have to add all the pictures afterwards instead of as I go lol

and this post has so many illustrative panels because like, so much of my point is stated outright in the manga