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madchen
replied to your post “ok heres a question that could warrant headcanon and possibly…”

oh hard agree to all of this i dont have much to add atm… do you think their first real sexual encounter would significantly change things or subtly affect any of this? i think i remember you saying that them fucking would either bring them closer or push them apart aaannndddd i think about that a lot

i think they would both get incredibly clingy after they first have sex tbh, i could just see them the morning after having to go about their day doing mercenary or noble stuff or w/e just like, trailing after each other, practically staying within reach at all times even if they can’t like, actually hold hands. sneaking off to make out for a while every hour or two.

lol it’s funny, i’m all about dark angsty fucked up ships but when it comes to griffguts there’s something so appealing about a fluffy au where everything just works out and they get to be happy together.

but also yeah i think you could go a more dramatic angsty route where after frantic passionate sex griffith is flooded by the realization that guts is the number one most important thing in his life and it’s going to ruin everything, and he ends up like, thousand yard staring it fifteen minutes after sex, and pushes him away or says ‘don’t touch me’ when guts like, grabs his shoulder and asks ‘what’s wrong’

which would then really freak guts out and i could see that spiraling into a temporary disaster

also like wrt trauma idk why it never occurred to me before considering i think trauma 100% figures into both guts and griffith’s inability to deal w/ their feelings, but yeah now that u mention it i could totally see griffith feeling dirty and getting all self-loathing after enjoying sex with another man.

like the likeliest angsty scenarios are def guts having a flashback and freaking out, and/or griffith hating himself, and/or one or both feeling like they’re taking on the role of their own aggressor and victimizing the other because shit went badly – like w/ griffith’s only experience w/ same-sex desire being gennon, and sort-of canonically feeling like his own desire for guts is inherently predatory, and guts canonically comparing himself to donovan after killing adonis and during his sex flashback, i mean

that is a fraught emotional situation to introduce sex into

madchen
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replied to your post “how do griff and guts react when the…”

griffith: if i dont conserve body heat via husband snuggles ill LITERALLY DIE GUTS!!!

lmao yes. demanding guts spend three days wrapped around him naked just in case. guts grouches but also loves it.

prettykitten123
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replied to your post “Hi)) So, I wanna ask – have…”

@bthump lol, dont worry back then being the illegitament child makes you an outsider. Very much like Jon Snow from Game Of Thrones, since he was a bastard he had no rights or titles to any. The same for King Roberts 100 bastards who were all poor. But yeah Idk I kinda like the idea of his birth being a ‘scandalous’ thing but that’s just me. Him being 100% commoner is equally as interesting. I just wish we got a little bit more details about his past in canon

yeah true. that’s kind of the handy thing about Griffith’s past being such a blank slate at least, you can kind of go with whatever you want. it’d be nice to know more in canon but it’s nice to have the space to make stuff up too lol.

prettykitten123
replied to your post “Hi)) So, I wanna ask – have you some headcanons about Griffith’s…”

What if his father was an aristocrat? Since his mother could’ve been a prostitute its very likely that some of her customers would be men of noble status.

oh yeah I mean it’s totally possible, there’s no details of canon that contradict it, but just personally I prefer thinking of Griffith as 100% a commoner bc I feel like, part of the point of his narrative is that he’s a total outsider breaking into this private club (royalty/nobility) through sheer force of will for the sake of fucking it up and changing the rules, and I love that, and if secretly it’s actually his birthright it kind of ruins it for me, just on a thematic level.

i mean that’s kind of a silly distinction i guess because yk, griffith was chosen by god and all lol, destiny is definitely a major part of the narrative of berserk, but just taking the class themes on their own i still prefer griffith’s narrative as an upstarter rather than as like, a lost scion, kinda thing.

(also like, obviously as a headcanon and especially as just a random fact that no one, not even griffith, even knows, it doesn’t actually make a single iota of an actual difference, except to me lol, bc this is just how I like… do media. basically i’m just being weird and nitpicky, not saying this is a universal thing or something anyone w/ this headcanon or using it for fic or w/e should even bother to take my thoughts on the themes of griffith’s narrative into consideration lol.

plus i mean that’s not getting into the way his ascention to royalty isn’t portrayed as wholly positive in the canon, to say the least lmfao, so theoretically you could say griffith being julius’ secret kid or smthn is actually symbolic of him becoming the thing he wants to overturn, but like… idc. team falconia. i don’t think that’s actually the point of griffith’s narrative despite what a giant mess it is at times.)

madchen
replied to your post “WAIT OKAY hear me out i know you prefer canon aus but i absolutely…”

oh i agree with all of this griffith is a ball of anxiety about it imho. in my modern au they actually make up after a messy bad break up (the consequences of which are not even near the scale of dire as canon’s lmao) so i think griffith would always have that seed of doubt in the back of his head even when he tries his best to tell guts at least a little bit of what hes thinking now.
i think like guts would try and propose
first and have like the flowers and wine and candles and everything and
then griffith says “yes” before guts even has his first word out and
starts cry-laughing which obviously confuses guts until griffith pulls
the plain thick silver band out if his pocket that hes been carrying
around since like a few weeks after they got back together.

lol ngl i’m so into a modern au equivalent (tho yeah obviously not nearly as life/world destroying) of their canon breakup, i’d love to see your take on it someday

yesss i love this, it’s so sweet and perfect. and so fitting for guts to be the one to go for it first but then hey griffith has the ring on him at all times so he can reciprocate immediately. ugh i love them.

madchen
replied to your post “yk i like the ambiguity of this monologue because griffith could…”

people assume that griffith saw guts as a tool or whatever tbh…i tend to lean towards the ignorance one but like self aware griffiths are valid to some extent i just feel like the first makes all his actions more romantic and im a glutton.

lol i should’ve phrased that as ‘what do most people who have even the tiniest understanding of griffith as a character think’

yeah i think even if he is aware that he’s in love by this point like, that’s still after a year of torture and lying in the dark thinking about his life and his choices lol, for me it’s hard to see him as aware of his feelings before this point at all. Like I think he could be, I could see an argument where he’s known he’s in love for three years and just steadfastly refuses to deal with it/compartmentalizes, but idk I like totally-disconnected-from-his-own-emotions-Griffith lol. Griffith like, buying his own con, portraying his distant leader/knight in shining armour image so well that he believes it himself, shocking himself by his own irrational actions wrt Guts, etc. ia it does seem more romantic that way too.

tho now i’m thinking about if griffith is still unaware that he’s in love – he knows he feels overwhelming things for guts but doesn’t associate that with romantic feelings – even up to and including the point where he sacrifices him, what if neogriffith is the one who makes that connection…?

wingsfreedom
replied to your post “Have you noticed that in the movie Griffith doesn’t have the single…”

I think Griffith traumatised himself for losing the duel, so he simply hurt himself on the same place Gut’s sword “hit” him. It’s the pain of losing the battle.

yeah i could also see that as an explanation, and it’s actually what i used to think. like ngl i really like the idea of griffith scratching himself because guts’ sword didn’t even touch him. nicely fits the sexualized scar discussion later on between guts and casca too lol. “I too want a wound that I can say you gave me” js.

these days i’m very solidly on my tombstone of flame related explanation, but yeah yours is also gr8.

prettykitten123
replied to your post “Question: Answer:”

Reading this got me so upset ngl. Having all of those easily answered questions all in one place. Like UGH my god Guts! Like I understand why he didn’t want to jump to the painfully obvious reason as to why Griffith would risk everything for him, like maybe Guts doesnt see himself as valuable or as something someone could genuinely care for, Thanks a lot Gambino you permanently gave my baby trust issues.

ikr it’s so depressing when you think about why guts keeps asking 😦

tho to be fair there was like a period of… who knows how long, probably no more than a month or two and maybe less, but it was a period of some amount of time when he felt loved and valued as a person

then griffith’s dream fucked that up, but yk, it was nice while it lasted

griff-guts
replied to your post “Question: Answer:”

post eclipse guts similarly asking himself why femto didn’t kill him during the eclipse….. the drama the angst the parallels….. bitch that’s my SHIT!!!!!!!

yesss man i’d love to see the post-eclipse version so much

i mean we kinda saw it with ngriff wondering why the fuck he’s feeling feelings and the awkward way femto lowers his hand instead of killing guts lol, but i didn’t include them bc there was no “why” phrasing

also like i want neogriffith to make a stupid decision when he and guts cross
paths again so one of his apostles or whoever can be like, “ummm why did
you do that?” and griffith can avoid answering.

prettykitten123
replied to your post “As I was trying to educate somebody over on reddit about the very gay…”

@bthump omg that is sooo true! Even if Serpico were to hear the promrose hall speech he still would’ve stayed by Griffith’s side.

yeeeah v true. on the flipside tho idt he has enough spine/determination/intrigue for griffith to fall for him. they’d make for an interesting dynamic tho.

also @madchen lmao it wouldn’t work out anyway. they both want big brawny dudes lbr.

prettykitten123
replied to your post “do you have any… griffguts pillow talk ideas… i think griff likes…”

For a post coital small talk thing I imagine Griffith maybe bringing up maybe a favorite game he used to play as a kid or a toy he used to be attached to. I also see them maybe laughing about some of the funny moments that happens in the Band of Hawks when they’re not in battle but at their camp site. I also see Griffith talking about something he read in a book or maybe he mythology he likes or a person he looks up to. He would definitely try to get Guts to talk more
About his thoughts.
When it comes to Guts I’m not quite sure what he would talk about. I’m
inclined to say maybe a happy moment that wasnt really all that
significant but nice that happened to Guts. Griffith is the only person
Guts would let himself be vulnerable to and vice versa so I do see him
talking about more personal subjects though I dont think Guts would be a
fan of talking about heavy subjects after him and Griffith just
finished doing the horizontal cha cha

So yeah I do see Guts talking about
minor nice momenta he had in his childhood. The things he talks about
arent significant but the fact that he is willing to discuss them is
what’s important since Guts is secretive about his childhood.

this is so heartwarming tbh, especially the idea of guts talking about a nice moment of his childhood, i could see that (idk what it would be, but yk i’m sure he must have /some/) and it feels like it would be a really touching counterpoint to being triggered (in canon, or in a previous time w/ griffith in this hypothetical scenario, yk).

madchen
replied to your post “also somewhat relatedly i love the thought of all those little moments…”

i actually always saw the last thing griffith remembers as a call back to the first bit we see of them together in the black swordsman arc (when griffith pulls the bodies off of guts) idk why now bc they both look older and i like this better.

i think it might be anyway, like not a return to that scene specifically bc they are def older, but it’s another scene where griffith seems to help a minorly injured guts after a battle. the first time we saw them together was a flashback, the last time is a flashback, the first time they were just starting to open up to each other, the last time they have their arms around each other just enjoying each others’ presences

yk as an illustration of their relationship it’s pretty apt especially as a compare/contrast to that very first scene, whether it’s intentional or not

madchen
replied to your post “do you have any… griffguts pillow talk ideas… i think griff likes…”

Griffith definitely tries to prompt guts into talking more and more (he tacks on “and…?” to guts one word answers) bc he loves guts as a person and listening to him talk about anything even like… what he had for lunch today (evening quickies :/) or dirt or whatever. vice versa too like u said. i think its a lot of personal and seemingly meaningless stuff sometimes that feels very intimate. just like griffith commenting on his nail beds that he pick and raising his hand to guts face to show
griffith also likes to
spring shit on guts when hes feeling especially vulnerable and bold
post coital. nothing serious but “how do you think id look in a dress?”
or “have you played strip poker before?” or the dreaded “was that good
for you too?”

yesssss i love this! griffith just listening starry eyed to guts talking about the sandwich he had for lunch or w/e. and uggh while i’m so bad at thinking of examples i love the thought of them just talking about nothing in particular.

and the question thing is so weirdly perfect? like one part wanting to fill the silence afterwards, one part getting like, mild emotional security listening to guts talk about something afterwards, and one part just being freer w/ his words/thoughts after sex. idk i love it. ty!

prettykitten123
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One of these days I will reread the golden age arc and write the most shameless must self-indulgent smut for those two, I will go all out, pull out all the stops. I like my smut explicit and without shame lol. If madchen doesnt mind I would like to borrow the Guts service top idea. And I know you guys said Guts probably wouldnt be into rough sex and I agree too but he would be sooo good at it. I will write that in just to be self-indulgent.

niiiice! nothing wrong with shameless self indulgence, i support you

madchen
replied to your post “do you have… any griffith topping for the first time/in general…”

i have more thoughts but i agree to all u said i think griffith would have a hard time getting into the physical sensation of it at first especially bc his whole focus is on making sure guts feels good. also yea guts asks for it idk why but yea he totally would want griffith to top him after a while

ty glad you agree. and yeah i feel like griffith would have that perfectionist thing going on during sex if he was in control. Well, with someone who he cared about at least.

slightly vent-y so this is under a cut

prettykitten123
replied to your post “shipping g*tsca is one thing but glorifying their relationship is so…”

@bthump this is unfortunately a problem found in too many fandoms, one group of fans feeling more superior over another because of their ship. Kurokura shippers get a lot of heat in the hunter x hunter fandom, same as izaya x shizuo shippers and Izuku x Bakugou. People just like being opinionated assholes but I feel like people get all pissy more so when the ship is yaoi

oh yeah i definitely see it everywhere, i don’t personally know any of those examples but i see it in my other fandoms every day so.

it’s basically shipwars but instead of calling shippers of the thing you don’t like dumbasses you call them bigoted and/or abusive. it’s awful, unfun, and only makes it harder to call out actually offensive behaviour on an individual basis when everyone’s used to being called, like, racist for having either poe or finn top the other in their star wars fic, or fetishizing for shipping anything gay that isn’t the current acceptable “pure” thing of the week lbr, or pedophilic for shipping two literal adults with an age difference, or misogynist for shipping two dudes who spend all their screen time together while ignoring a non-canonical wife that was mentioned off-handedly in one line of a novelization, etc.

(none of these are exaggerations lol. i once saw someone call bryan fuller a gay fetishizer for wearing a shirt with hannigram fanart. yes, the gay man who wrote the ship into his own show lmao.)

and yeah it always hits the gay ships hardest is2g, every single time.

jyuanka
replied to your post “ok actually on this subject i’ve been thinking about this recently and…”

(not exactly related but): it’s serpico who calls farnese cute when guts is captured.

ty! I didn’t see this in the dark horse version, but there serpico does call her “charming” to guts, which which guts also echoes sarcastically later (”charming huh?” or smthn like that) when he’s watching farnese do her self flagellation thing. So maybe that got turned into cute in a scanlation.

seisans
replied to your post “(½)Was thinking in a canon au if Griff and Guts actually did confess…”

js if guts and griffith made out griffith would freak out not just about his dream but also about the fact that guts might have just been drunk or had a little lapse of judgment and would regret it in the morning & leave

this is an extremely good point

man there are so many ways for griffith to be a complete mess about this lol. i feel like guts would be the relatively chill one.

griff-guts
replied to your post “ok actually on this subject i’ve been thinking about this recently and…”

as far as i remember guts only ever explicitly comments on appearance/beauty when it comes to griffith (save for those two casca instances already mentioned)

ty for the second opinion!

Yeah like tbf there aren’t a whole pile of examples of Guts commenting on Griffith’s looks either, but he’s also got “bet that’s the first time that pretty face’s ever been hit,” lol. “The more dazzling he is in my eyes” is kind of a grey area since that’s not so much about looks but yk. Dude def waxes poetic about him a lot.

@prettykitten123 said:
But when you think
about it Griffith is the most beautiful person in ths entire manga, abd
looks aside he is also the most intelligent and the most ambitious. Guts
already set the bar too high by falling for Griffith first. Everyone
else just looks like pebbles on the road in comparison to Griffith XD 

lmao true, once you fall for the dude who’s so beautiful it’s an important thematic plot point, you’re kinda screwed.

prettykitten123
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replied to your post “chaoticgaygriffith:

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I think Griffith is gay, even though I feel like he doesn’t know it(maybe after a while he came to realize it, especially after Guts left him) as for Guts his sexuality is a mystery to me. I know he definitely likes men(even though he probably definitely doesnt understand that or acknowledge it) attraction to women is debatable.
The way I see it we
cant really pinpoint what Guts’ sexuality is or his thoughts on women.
Griffith was the first to give Guts something that he never had and I
feel like his affection for Griffith is dominantly based on this. No one
else in the manga, both men and women, have yet to give Guts what
Griffith gave him thus why no one has yet to win over his affections.

ia tbh

for me I think Griffith is variable, like i could see him being either super repressed about being gay thanks to a) his dream revolving around marrying a woman and b) gennon being the only textually gay dude in berserk (thx miura) and griffith being taken advantage of at probably the age where he’d be just starting to realize he had feelings of attraction to men, like, that seems extremely likely to fuck him up.

But I could also see him accepting that he’s attracted to men – I mean he reads a lot, he seems fairly worldly, maybe gennon isn’t his only exposure to same-sex attraction, etc – but also not thinking it’s important because it’s incompatible with his dream.

Either way though I definitely can’t see him as anything but gay.

Wrt Guts I see him as gay too. He could be bi easily enough, but it’s just so easy for me to see his short-lived relationship with Casca as repression at work lol. Like saying she was the only person who could touch him back in the day, which was textually because she’s a woman (and also wrong bc Griffith also could) feels really suggestive of this to me. And of course the way their relationship screams rebound from their feelings for Griffith for both of them. And post eclipse, the only times he thinks of Casca sexually are when Griffith is also somehow involved, a la

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And of course the entire Beast of Darkness debacle.

But yeah sexualities aside, since I mean it still could go either way from gay to bi, so w/e, that’s a really good point about Griffith being the only person in the manga who’s given Guts what he’s so desperately wanted – ie affection and attention and respect from someone Guts respects. It’s Griffith who he wants to look at him. Not Casca, not any of his rpg group or any of the other Hawks, just Griffith. It’s Griffith whose respect he feels like he needs to earn, no one else’s. It’s Griffith who he needs to feel equal to, no one else. It’s Griffith who he’s been obsessed with, no one else.

It’s why their relationship is still so extra lol, it’s shown as singular in the story, whether Miura meant that to be sexual or not.

So yeah idk, good comment basically, I just wanted to ramble on the subject lol.

prettykitten123
replied to your post “(½)Was thinking in a canon au if Griff and Guts actually did confess…”

This was the best lol. You’ve just made an outline to a high quality fanfiction my friend. I do like the idea of Griffith overcompensating and ends up causing a setback for the Hawks and himself. I feel like even when they do become a couple things would still be a bit awkward but in a cute way, this is their first relationship.

lol ty, feel free to steal it (this goes for anyone haha).

well i mean tbf it’s anon’s idea anyway so maybe i shouldn’t say that. Anon, you should write it!

and yeah ia. cute awkwardness would fit them really well. they’re both disasters but yk that doesn’t necessarily have to mean life-ruining, it could be cute too in an au.

mastermistressofdesire
replied to your post “please extrapolate on griffith being a sub and why lmao?”

@marley-manson Yeah I mean the whole reversal of expected personality dynamics in bed is kind of a thing I feel for. And also though Griffith wields a lot of power over people his attitude towards it is very functional like he’s chill with it because it gets the job done. It’s very much a part of his professional commitment. So I wouldn’t think he’d carry over with that in private times?

I’m too lazy to c/p everything you said rn but yeah I get what you’re saying and totally agree. Like, I don’t think it’s always the case that people who are assertive and/or wield power in day to day life want to submit in relationships lol, but for some people it is and Griffith just reads like one of them to me. And yeah love that role reversal.

and like ngl I’m kind of the exact opposite which is probably partly why I’m into the role reversal thing in fiction, like I’m generally super easy going and chill and have zero desire for responsibility in day to day life, but I like to be in control in bed, so. it’s def a thing sometimes lol.

prettykitten123
replied to your post “Is Berserk still doing the ‘the power of friendship’ theme? I stopped…”

@bthump I feel like the Berserk from the 90s and the Berserk now are two different stories. Idk maybe Miura is doing this because the ‘power of friendship’ theme is so popular in anime but that’s usually a trope found in shounen not really seinen comics. But Idk maybe he is just doing this just so he could rip our hearts open again like before or maybe he doesn’t berserk to be as dark as it used to.

Yeah who knows, like it’s definitely way lighter now. It’s still violent ofc, but the violence is so much less personal, the characters are much healthier, etc.

I guess I think we’re probably not going to stay this light forever, there’s been plenty of ominous foreshadowing and I’ve been saying for ages that Guts needs to go full Beast of Darkness for a while or everything w/ the armour and his evil alter ego is pointless, plus I think Elfhelm is going to end up being sinister and not Guts’ allies, but I don’t think we’re ever going to go back to Lost Children or Black Swordsman arcs style dark. After 200 chapters of Guts internalizing some life lessons and chilling out I’m sure that’s not going to be just wiped away.

Also while I’m responding to replies I might as well hit a couple more of your replies on other topics

I really hope the
final battle between them would be a mixture of both, an epic battle
filled to the brim with intense emotions and tension. In all honesty I
dont want either of them to die but Idk I feel like one of them would
die. Im inclined to say Griffith would probably but a part of me feels
like Miura might throw a curve ball and kill Guts.

Yeah I could see either Guts or Griffith dying, or both. tbh what I hope is that if there is an epic guts v griff battle the actual volume long fight scene or w/e lol goes to Guts vs Zodd, and maybe whatever allies Guts has vs apostles and stuff, and after the dust settles we get the intimate and emotional griffguts confrontation.

Idk I feel like Guts vs Griffith being an epic physical battle would be distracting and kind of out of place. Gimme a 3rd duel with like, one strike a la the 2nd duel, that is entirely predicated on their emotions.

I have a thought, if eclipse never
happened and Griffith became king and entered a secret relationship with
Guts. I wonder how long it would take for Charlotte to start to notice.
I feel like everyone else would have a feeling but Charolette since she
lives in her own dream world when it comes to Griffith.

lol yeah I could definitely see Charlotte being the last to know. Esp bc I don’t think Guts and Griffith would be all that great at hiding it lol. Oh well she can eventually find out, be miserable for a while, and then start her own affair with Anna.