WHAT IS YOUR DEAL NEOGRIFF WHO ARE YOU??” – Me during the whole post-eclipse arcs. It drives me crazy because he is impossible to read. Neither are we being exposed to anything that goes inside his head.

Miura keeping him so ambiguous is part of what makes me think we’re headed to a big interesting reveal tbh. Like, there’ve been a lot of suggestive moments where his emotions are deliberately hidden, like watching Rickert escape Falconia. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.

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I dig the fuck out of this. Thematically if feels spot on, even if the Canon reality is more nuanced than mere theme, which of course, it is.

ty! I’m glad this idea works for ppl bc i love it lol.

xiyyh
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@bthump my sincere apologies for not seeing this earlier—that week was hectic af! but i love your thoughts here, thank you! very intriguing analysis as usual. i hadn’t thought of what you said about guts recklessness being a form of self harm but it very much is.

INTERESTINGLY though, as i’m rewatching some berserk ‘97 … it seems to be the place he got an arrow wound after julius’ assassination, just before hearing griffith’s speech that was the catalyst for everything falling apart ��

!!!

nice, might switch my headcanon to that. it works perfectly really, as the point where everything leading to the black swordsman arc began, not just because he overheard the speech but also because of the state of mind he was in when he overheard it having just killed a kid, ie

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so yk, it ties the whole becoming the monstery asshole he was already afraid of being back then thing together. full circle. or something.

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sent one, hope it works well if not I’ll just try differently!I’d die to see bits of daily apostle life tbh (or even some of the humans tbh, Mule, Sonia, Jarif) and same wrt that finale.. the world breaking part was just kinda high fantasy stuff and/or maybe a ‘bright and good’ parallel to the conviction arc ending.. but the character implications.. yeah

http://hero.wikia.com/wiki/Grunbeld_Arcbeast

in case anyone else is interested.

and yeah same i’m all about the characters at the end of the day

flooracle
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Yes that would be great!! Tbh I hope the next few chapters will have some hawks interactions and not just battle stuff

Right on! The faceoff against Gennon was def more satisfying considering everything, then the millennium arc ending is good imo but almost feels too big, if not for an emotional part like that..

Of course! Idk if links embed here in the replies (like for preventing bots) so I could send them w the message function or w/e works best for you!

i think it’s only asks that won’t let you send links, either replying or messaging should work.

yeah if we’re going back to Griffith’s narrative I’d love to see more relationships and emotional stuff than just monster fights, and more revealing glimpses into the apostles lives would be fantastic.

and ikwym, I think the final confrontation between griffith and ascended ganeshka was interesting, but mostly in like a metaphorical way and because it made me really interested in the possibility of getting into what it means for NGriff to be “the absolute, without equal,” ie, the inherent isolation and loneliness that we saw with Ganeshka. I don’t actually care all that much about like… the actual literal breaking the world open plot stuff lol.

flooracle
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100% agreed on the new hawks! Tbh I like their parts of the arc most.. ch194 where Mule is introduced to most of em and Grunbeld saves the kids from being eaten, 250 when Sonia and Irvine talk, 277 where Grunbeld & Locus go for a walk and wish luck to Zodd before he goes to battle AND Sonia gives advice and calls him Mr Black Lion, details like Mule squiring for Locus later etc.. lov that they develop their relationships, just wish there were more bits like these :’)
The part abt Ganishka
and Gennon is brilliant tbh!! First thing I thought after is how they
both see Griffith as much more important than he sees them.. like for
ex. When it happens, Griffith & Ganishka don’t meet as emperor vs
emperor but as godhand and apostle… Their own parallels are rly
interesting, so I like all the au variants a lot, thank you!!

Also I have some summaries for the Grunbeld novel that tell the basic
plot & stuff. I hope it gets an English ver soon

yeah I love all those moments. plus the way the apostles are given so much relatable humanity gives me a lot of hope for where the narrative is going, both because it def makes it less likely we’re headed for a plain old guts + co vs griffith + co, and because giving Griffith’s monster side of the narrative all the humanity makes me hope we’re going to get some more monstrousness out of Guts’ human side of the narrative to balance it out.

ty! and yeah that’s a good point – both G+G are obsessed with Griffith, but to Griffith they’re obstacles. I mean I think Gennon did have a huge affect on him, but he had his (really satisfying) moment of triumph when he looked down on him and told him he didn’t matter. Then with Ganeshka he follows that through, because he’s an untouchable god compared to him, but also reverses it, because at the end right before Griffith destroys him, they have a moment of connection.

btw would you happen to have a link to the Grunbeld novel summaries?

flooracle
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Definitely agree tbh there was sth very off about him saying he wanted to prove his loyalty (at Floras) when he’s been serving NG for.. years(??).. Rly feels like performing duty as you said, and feeling like hes not performing it well enough.

Ive only read summaries of the novel and some chapter bits (and he’s great tbh!!) this all fits, while what the new band of the hawk does fits w his ethos, idt he has it in him to dedicate himself to a leader anymore.
Also re: the novel…
the circumstances that led him to seek the falcon of light (besides
being apostle) kinda puts Griffith secondary, or at least it comes off
like that. But unlike seeking a leader (not) hes been looking for
friends and seems to be rly close to many other hawks.

Wrt the modern au: great!! Au Irvine is such a specific presence fhdhhdh
I can almost see him and his acoustic guitar. Also what are Ganishka
and Griffith to each other here? :“)

thanks for the extra info about grunbeld, this is p interesting. at some point i need to find what i can of his story and check it out.

i love that bit about grunbeld being close to the other hawks. it’s so interesting to have a band of the hawk 2.0 that isn’t just like, an evil twisted monster version of the former, but actually has the same sense of forged bonds and camraderie and the fact that they’re also monsters is like, neither here nor there lol.

but i love everything to do with giving the apostles more character depth and humanity.

also wrt Ganeshka, yk I think it depends what you want to emphasize. tbh my immediate thought was maybe merging his character with Gennon in a modern au. I feel like Ganeshka is meant to be kind of similar in part to highlight NGriff’s invulnerability. He’s got the magic apostle lust for him thing going on, he threatens him in a similar “i won’t kill you, i’ll capture you” with creepy insinuations, he has the unbeatable army – but unlike Gennon he’s never actually a threat.

So you could turn the ganeshka storyline into more of a power fantasy revenge story in a modern au, if you’re keeping the whole idea of a conflict.

But then (especially for this particular idea in which Griffith is stupid and sad after a stupid break up with Guts) it might be better to emphasize the way Griffith and Ganeshka are parallels – loneliness and isolation, feeling apart from the rest of humanity, anger and monstrousness stemming from fear, etc. In which case maybe you’d skip straight to ascended Ganeshka in a modern au and make it a one-off, weirdly revealing encounter with a stranger or something. Or make him a fictional person in something Griffith is watching/reading that makes him do some projecting.

madchen
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i never really thought bc griffith being ashamed bc of that but like yeah it makes sense that he would feel bad and dirty for expressing genuine sexual attraction lmao. maybe even feel that he should feel emasculated or something bc of it?
also yea guts blurts shit out all the
time when he can’t hold it in. he asks griff if he can kiss him a lot

yeah I mean I don’t think it’s necessary or anything to be ic, but I’m kinda into the idea of Griffith being confident and seductive and sexy etc, just as good in bed as he is doing everything else, and then one day something relatively innocuous suddenly brings all these repressed feelings out and he asks if Guts thinks he’s [insecurity] and Guts is completely blindsided

It’s that contrast between the surface and the glimpses underneath that I just want to apply to everything lol.

Also nice, Guts asking Griff if he can kiss him is a++

yesgabsstuff
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Jesus I just saw the wrong translation. That’s so awful.

yeah, i mean i can’t get too mad at the scanlation specifically bc the dark horse version has corkus throw around the f slur at least once that i recall (i mean i assume that at least was an anti-gay insult in the orig but yk the casual jokey context seems to ask for a less intense word there js), but honestly it’s kind of hilarious how bad and just ooc that dialogue is regardless

like every time i see one of the old scanlations it becomes a little clearer to me why i feel like i’m reading a different story than half the fandom.

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Idky but the idea of Griffith just glaring at Guts for 15 minutes was just so funny to me. I can Imagine Casca after a while deciding to play the mediator between them
If that doesn’t work and they end up
sitting in that room for a whole day, I can imagine someone just trying
to bribe them into talking with food(they’ve been in there all day, prob
starving at this point) but Griffith still wouldn’t care. He could be
five seconds away from passing out from hunger and still wont talk to
Guts

yeah if she locked them in a room together she should be prepared to step in lol, they need all the help they can get

also lol hopefully guts would at least be mature enough to start the ball rolling before that point. but idk, he’s also stupid and stubborn

madchen
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lmao i love the last sitcom lock em in a room together but. griffith would be like a feral bristly cat and not speak but just glare at guts for a good fifteen minutes and guts would just be sheepish and probably start feeling embarrassed about wanting to leave before they actually speak…

yeah i feel like they’d need like, a day and/or some kind of cartoonish ticking time bomb threat before they really started talking. and guts would have to start it, not just because he’s more likely to but also because he at least knows what’s going on lmao while i think griffith’s kind of stuck on ‘guts can’t leave. why? because… idk i own him or something. also the thought of guts leaving me makes me want to set myself on fire.’

ngl i think the easiest (relatively lol) way for this to get figured out is to have one of the ppl in the know about guts’ decision tell griffith, because then he has a starting point (i don’t look down on guts, do i? why or why not?) and prying the truth out of guts would be hard.

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If I was Casca I would’ve just said “he’s leaving because of what you said at the Promrose hall. Goddamn. Now can you two please talk it out because there have obviously been some miscommunication”

Like Casca understands those two perfect and knew why Guts was leaving
When she went to get
Griffith she could’ve literally told him “Guts is leaving. He’s going
because of what you said at the Promrose hall, may be you should pull
him aside and talk to him privately”

Knowing Casca that’s probably something that she did say but Griffith didn’t act upon it because of emotions. Damn emotions

mercenaries gonna mercenary i guess

to be fair I think Casca telling Griffith why Guts wanted to leave would be kind of a betrayal of trust. Guts’ reasons are pretty personal. (ON THE OTHER HAND she had no problem telling Guts all about Griffith’s incredibly personal issues, so lmao that’s kind of an inadequate excuse.)

And tbh I feel like she got Griffith to show up to keep Guts from leaving because she thought they’d be able to talk it out. Honestly I think you’re basically right lol, it’s kind of just plot convenience that she doesn’t tell Griffith why Guts was planning to leave. There’s no real reason for her to hold back.

I definitely don’t think she told Griffith though, based on his inner monologue before the duel and like… idk just from everything I feel I understand about Griffith’s narrative and inner conflicts it makes the most sense for him to take Guts leaving as a rejection. If he knew Guts was leaving because he admired him his reaction would still probably be negative, he might even still just default to challenging Guts to another duel to avoid examining how he actually feels lmao, but I think his thoughts would be very different and I don’t think he’d have a huge breakdown after if that was the case.

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and honestly, from what I’ve gathered, in most people’s opinion Guts is only better than Griffith in that sense that he “didn’t rape the other man’s woman”. I’m not defending Griffith obviously, but Guts is no moral beacon either lmao

idk in some parts of fandom there really are a lot of people who seem to think guts is justified in everything he does because monsters are bad/he’s had a hard life/etc and anything he does that is clearly terrible (like eg assaulting casca) wasn’t his fault anyway/isn’t that bad bc he stopped partway thru and he’s making up for it by taking her to elfhelm so stfu/etc

but luckily i don’t encounter those opinions much unless i start reading like, youtube comments and shit lol.

Tho if you’re including takes like “wow Guts is such a hero and martyr for taking Casca to Elfhelm” or respecting women juice style memes ft Guts then it starts feeling more common. But tbf posts like that don’t necessarily encompass someone’s entire nuanced opinion of a character lol.

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lmao i think about this all the time. also audience leniency and sympathy towards guts moral failings is amplified due to him being the narrative point of view and protagonist for the majority of chapters, and in comparison to starkly standard evil characters like apostles, femto, etc he SEEMS to be a good guy, even though realistically he isn’t. the grey morality of berserk extends to literally everyone even guts. it’s like really no coincidence that miura draws guts visually similar to
femto and the apostles
often lol. i mean i can’t insert examples or whatever bc this is just a
rambling reply but i’m sure you’ve seen the comparison posts of guts in
berserker armour or just in battle to femto. it’s like….. so not subtle
that he’s an asshole and not presented as a shining example of perfect
morality yet bc the fandom can’t read and he’s their macho straight guy
testosterone hero he gets a pass for doing bad stuff lol

yeah absolutely lol, like most of the point of Guts’ narrative is that at times he gets pretty damn indistinguishable from demons/monsters even without a magical transformation. Like yeah definitely visually, but tbh it’s also directly stated a lot lol. Like ngl this is actually one of my fave (well, non griffguts) lines:

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And then once we’re in NeoGriffith’s narrative and meeting the cool apostles, a lot of them seem way better than Guts by any moral standard lol. Grunebeld, Zodd, Irvine.

Like the dock fight really directly compares Guts and Zodd and both of them balancing humanity/reason and bloodlust.

Idk I love this aspect of Berserk basically lol, I’m all about dark monstery protags. And it’s dumb that so many people want to see Guts as an admirable beacon of virtue because that’s like the opposite of the point.

greenberryl
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Actually, Guts should just hook up with some cute twink boy and then go and make out right in front of neogriff. And then look where all of his “now i’m free” bullshit goes.

see this is how you get revenge. take notes guts.

@prettykitten123 said:
Damn Miura is just taking inspiration from everywhere! Lol 

yeah lol, there are so many different things i’ve seen cited as inspiration or considered references, it’s p cool

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I see what you mean. Yeah I guess in the beginning Griffith wouldn’t really be responsive to Puck but Puck will still try his best to make Griffith feel better so think over time Griffith would probably become fond of him.

Yeah I could see this. Also I mean, the real blame is inconsistent tone/writing, but you could take the difference between Puck in the Black Swordsman/Lost Children arc (kind of bratty but sincere, encouraging Guts to be less of a dick, sympathetic, concerned friend) vs Puck in the MF arc (annoying one-note comic relief with Isidro), and say his magic empathy means he adapts his behaviour depending on who he’s hanging out with lol.

So he might be less annoying with Griffith.

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Unfortunately all very very true :(…well at least Puck could liven up the mood and I’m sure Griffith would like him

I see Guts driving a motorcycle(its probably cliche but who cares it totally fits him)

As for Griffith maybe a luxury car like a Lexus, Mercedes-Benz, or a tesla

it’d be kind of interesting to see puck and griffith interact imo. i’m not sure myself whether griffith would like him (imo it might depend on griff’s state of mind) but i think puck’s magic empathy powers would make for an interesting combination.

also more suggestions for you divinesong (I’d @ you but it’s not letting me for some reason)

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Sometimes I wonder, if Guts did decide to stay with Griffith post torture, would they have discovered some way to cure him. Elfs and witches exist, I know Guts only met them because of his journey as the black swordsman but who knows? And I doubt that Guts would be the only one there taking care of him since someone has to go out and make some money to support them(Guts in my mind would still be doing mercenary work) so who knows maybe on his way back home from the
Battlefield he meets Puck at that tavern
bar from the Blackswordman arc. I’m not sure if Pucks magic would be
enough, I’m not even sure if Schierke’s would be enough if they were to
meet her in this version. What do you think?

tbh I think for the purposes of fic or whatever you could justify it either way. also imo it would make perfect sense for them to run into Puck like immediately because remember they were in the same area right around the time of the Eclipse – Puck was with the troupe Rickert ran into, probably Judeau’s old troupe.

I would say that Puck wouldn’t be able to heal him though. He doesn’t fix Guts’ scars when he heals him, and idk just going off what feels like logic lol I’d assume you’d need like, a combination of surgery and magic to knit Griffith’s wrist and ankle tendons back together. Like, to get kind of graphic for a sec, when you sever tendons they snap back like elastics afaik, so I feel like you’d need to stretch and hold them together while healing him. Maybe extra strength magic could grow him a new tongue, but probably not Puck or Schierke.

I do think that Puck could probably help the giant patches of missing skin scar over, mostly because if you’re not ignoring that part of his injuries then I would demand that that issue be fixed ASAP in a fic lmao.

But like I think it would also make logical sense that say, if they ran into a witch who specialized in healing, she could probably manage to heal him. Or someone in Elfhelm could do it.

But then if you want it to be impossible you could just say that magic can’t fix wounds that have already healed and scarred over, or regenerate flesh beyond what the body is already equipped to do, (eg it can make scarring happen faster/better, but not actually regrow missing body parts) making his severed tongue and tendons permanent.

madchen
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this is so sweet… thinking bout a disabled post torture griffith and guts having a potential healthy romantic and even sexual relationship when its narratively framed as Bad is hmmm good
another point for griffiths behelit shouldve cascas all along au tbh

lol like i know there’s a million and one ways guts and post-torture griffith living a life together could go wrong but I’m an optimist and I think they could make it work

plus yk a lot of the narrative tension in the lead up to the Eclipse comes from teasing the audience with hope spots, which become meaningless if Guts and Griffith are doomed no matter what. I say they could’ve been happy together.

also lol idgaf what Miura probably intended, griffguts is extraordinarily readable as a story about how two dudes failing to act on their obvious sexual attraction was what ruined everything and it’s more fun that way.

so yeah if griffguts got together the behelit would have to be Casca’s. It’s perfect.

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Your writing is so good! I love you brought up Guts tenderness and helping attitude with holding Shizu’s hand. I wonder how much different Gut’s life would be if she lived? He probably would be a Merc still but would he have the same characteristics that attracted Griffith to him?

thank you so much ❤ and yeah I find that moment so touching ngl, it’s such an interesting character establishing moment for Guts, after the Black Swordsman arc especially.

Good question tbh. We know at least some of Gambino’s abusiveness is rooted in blaming Guts for Shizu’s death (he says it’s why he sold him to Donovan), and it also contributed to the rest of the band considering him cursed. Plus yk just having a mother around, assuming Shizu would’ve been an alright mom, and I’m fine with defaulting to assuming parents aren’t going to suck, would probably be a good influence on Guts. So Guts’ issues with feeling like an ousider would be way lessened, probably.

He’d live a much happier life if Shizu never died imo. More love in his life, Gambino as a distant but maybe not actively horrible father figure. I imagine Guts would’ve started learning the sword at a more reasonable age under these circumstances, being mostly raised by Shizu until he’s actually old enough to fight. No oversized sword in this AU.

Also I think his rape trauma is largely responsible for his run directly into danger by himself and then claw his way back out style of fighting. I think it’s how he deals with a deep seated fear that started there (compounded w/ Gambino trying to kill him later too) and that hits him again every time he faces an opponent and makes him want to lash out to a somewhat irrational extent (tho he wouldn’t be conscious of it when it comes to typical human soldiers imo. monsters bring it out more). Hence things from pre-emptively charging the ram knights as a one-man army to insisting on taking wyald one on one.

So yeah without that trauma I think he would be much chiller on the battlefield. He wouldn’t be as strong as he is, or as driven, or as singular, and he might not’ve caught Griffith’s eye at all. Though I like to think there still would’ve been that spark between them. But they would lose that two lonely dudes finding their loneliness eased around each other vibe. Also Guts would probably not be as desperate for attention, though he might still be a little, since lbr Gambino wouldn’t be a doting parent under any circumstances.

I mean okay I guess I gotta admit that 99% of Guts’ character stems from his childhood and Gambino’s treatment of him, so if that changed, anything and everything could be different, and his relationship with Griffith especially is informed by his shitty childhood imo.

So even if Gambino and Shizu both died b4 he was 15 and he ended up with the Hawks anyway, I feel like his relationship with Griffith just wouldn’t have that intensity. He wouldn’t feel driven to be his equal and have him look at him, Griffith saying he wants him wouldn’t affect him much, Griffith saving him from Zodd wouldn’t have the same impact, same w/ Guts finding a new family with the Hawks, etc etc.

(Maybe this would be good actually lol. I could see this version of Guts telling Griffith what he needed to hear in Tombstone of Flame, eg. And he wouldn’t leave the Hawks even if he did overhear the Promrose speech. He’d probably be more in a position to recognize that Griffith isn’t so much admirable as fucked up. And he’d be more likely to actually apply Casca’s story about him to what he thinks he knows about Griffith and reach a greater understanding of him, when not blinded by a desperate need to be loved.)

xiyyh
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mmmmmh really tho i don’t think griffith was fragile, not before he was broken at least

oh no you gave me an opening to talk about griffith. tbh it depends what you mean by fragile, like I might not even be disagreeing with you at all, but I have Strong Opinions on Griffith being a hot mess all his life and I can’t not take the opportunity to talk about them lol.

Basically overall I feel like this kinda sums it up:

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I don’t think Griffith was fragile exactly – when Casca says he made himself strong, it’s not just a facade, he genuinely has the confidence to take 5,000 men and conquer an undefeatable fortress guarded by an army of 30,000, burn a queen to death while looking her in the eye, etc. Griffith is badass, and the fact that he basically deliberately chose to be as hardcore as he could to achieve a goal makes him extra badass imo. So if it’s a case of faking it til you make it he’s definitely made it.

But he makes himself that way by not just hiding but denying his vulnerabilities. Casca says Griffith had to make himself strong the first time after telling Guts about how he pretty much had a breakdown in front of her before smiling and telling her he’s fine.

imo Griffith is a giant self-loathing mess of guilt issues that he just almost never ever reveals or admits to himself, and while he uses his dream to help bury his weaknesses, Guts brings them out. It’s like, the dream is his emotional crutch, how he denies his guilt and self-loathing by telling himself it’s all necessary. But then Guts becomes an alternative to that – by the time they’re assassinating queens together Griffith wants Guts’ to assuage his guilt by telling him he’s good more than he wants to prove he’s doing the right thing by succeeding in his goal lol

And imo his emotional reliance on Guts starts as early as when he first met him, but we see the self-hate that he needs to build his defenses against even before that, during Casca’s flashback.

Oh also I say all this but I feel like Puck’s statement here is kind of a more universal statement on humanity than specifically calling the Count extra fragile. Everyone’s got issues, and got defense mechanisms to help deal with their issues, and everyone’s heart is fragile when they lose that armour.

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Tho I def think Griffith has more than his fair share of issues.

(i promote this big griffith meta thing at every possible opportunity lol but it’s extra fitting for this topic so if anyone feels like reading this exact same point but in a whooooole lot more words, i got you covered)

madchen
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the top row of panels are actually A Lot for some reason

like their interaction and the reason why casca is pissed off, which makes griffith’s commiserating hand on her shoulder a ridiculously shallow and assholish gesture

or like casca’s awful skin tight pants lol

actually ugh now that i think about it it rly sucks how casca starts out violently objecting to this shit – punching guts in his stab wound here after being ordered to keep him alive bc another man can’t nakedly share body heat with him, and then throwing a knife at guts when she wakes up naked next to him again in the cave – and eventually ends up fucking guts. i’m sure miura was going for more of a cutesy forced-contact-leading-to-more bullshit vibe but doing it like this makes it feel more like she’s being worn down into her societally-assigned place (”in this man’s heart”)

idek i’m just tired and rambly. i hate romance tropes they’re all like this.

yesgabsstuff
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I also think homeboy would get reeeeaallllyyyy salty about people not taking social science or history seriously? Like some asshole would say something disparaging about qualitative methods and he would go off.
#projection station

lol i think his intensity about what he does combined with his general ability to take almost everything in stride would equal simple but effective (and maybe passive aggressive) retorts to stuff like that lol. wittier comments than i could come up with.

madchen
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i just like to think of him as being really into analyzing literature and philosophy is all but also i might be projecting 😦

i mean to be fair one of the few things we know about griffith that doesn’t seem intrinsically connected to his dream is that he likes to read

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so I don’t think it’s a stretch

ETA: 

@madchen said: and yeaaaa i think he’s potentially a
perfectionist with goals but otherwise interprets his love for guts as
want/need bc that’s the lens he viewed the other big thing in his life
for so long

also yeah def, and I really love that moment actually where griff is like “i must obtain the things i desire” bc griffith spends 10 minutes with guts and guts is already up there with his dream on griffith’s list of important life goals.

madchen
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i have more thoughts but yea i think griffiths possessiveness is a childish interpretation of love on his part… i think he could also be possessive and obsessive to a extent bc he has that kind of personality but only over serious situations like u said. i also totally hc griffith as borderline so yea.
i actually think
griffith would enjoy english and sociology and literature.. like i read
him as a humanities person over a stem person as far as modern liberal
education (in the us tbh) goes! he’s still smart so he could def go into
a science but i don’t think it would be his true passion or interest!

yeah that’s a good way of putting it. that ‘i must obtain the things i desire’ where he like, sees guts and decides he needs him in his life the same way he saw a castle and decided he wanted it when he was a kid. He doesn’t like jump from obsession to obsession or anything, he has a grand total of two things he’s ever wanted in 20 or w/e years of life, but man does he want them lol.

also yeah I kind of like the idea of Griffith being into science bc it’s not something I usually think of and it’s cute to think of him geeking out over biology or something lol, but yeah I think of him as more into humanities by default. or politics/law if we’re going for more of a still-obsessed-with-an-ambition angle.

madchen
replied to your post “sophelia-moon
replied to your post “Arranged marriage AU between…”

tbh any sort of converse au where social norms regarding being gay are more a la… idk captive prince? is good for berserk like ill take it man

tbh yeah this would simplify so much lol, and they need all the help they can get

@ your tags same there’s just so much
physical chemistry on top of the issues they got to make it real good 😦

griffith withdrawing
after getting freaked out by how comfortable he is being vulnerable +
intimate w guts and guts eventually trying to reconnect after giving
griff space he thinks he needs

au where they can say “i love you” during sex 😦

yeah exactly it’s like the perfect combination of being an emotional and psychological minefield while there’s still just such a strong pull between them that you know they’d be able to persist and work through it regardless because they just would not be able to go their separate ways (guts leaving in canon doesn’t count bc he specifically did it to get closer to griffith in a roundabout way).

also physically, lbr they need to fuck. it’s the physical chemistry like you said, once they open that door there’s no closing it.

and agh i can see the 2nd point so easily lol. and guts giving griffith space would just freak griffith out more 😦