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madchen
replied to your post “Guts is different from Griffith. Guts fights the beast in him every…”

“guts had a harder life than griffith” uuuuuuuuuu why cant people read lmfao

ikr

idk i think it boils down to the fact that we’re with Guts more, we see his traumas and hard times in detail, while we’re generally told about Griffith’s rather than shown, and with him we only see the after effects.

but like any way you slice it i feel like a year of constant torture and permanent loss of the use of your limbs and ability to speak is worse than Guts’ eclipse trauma, which largely revolves around stuff that happens to other people (dead friends, traumatized girlfriend). Yeah Guts lost a limb but he got a canon to replace it, and it’s his choice to go out and shoot monsters with that canon instead of taking Godo’s sage advice and chilling out with the friends he has left.

wingsfreedom
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“Do you think that human!Griffith/ Charlotte and Guts/Casca are good…”

Yes all of this. And as much as I dislike this theory: I think when Casca gets her mind back Muira will continue use her as a plot device to add more drama + drive the plot, because I find Casca has a weird connection with the Moon Light Child (her son) and he share the same body with Neo-Griffith, so she may mistaken she still has feelings for Griffith? And that will throw Guts of the edge more somehow when he finds out? It’s just a theory tho…

this sounds like such a worst case scenario and i really really hope it’s incorrect, but yeah you never know. I do have to wonder how the moonlight kid figures into everything, and it doesn’t seem entirely impossible that miura would go there.

yesgabsstuff
replied to your post “interesting question….”

@bthump Very true. For some reason I imagined Shisu being fragile before she lost her baby but I’m not sure that really makes much sense given the life she was living. With Miura it’s hard to tell if he expected us to imagine she recovered. Most of us seem to not have and that’s definitely more on him than on us as readers.

yeah absolutely. tbh i doubt miura ever thought of the answer to this question lol. i definitely also got the impression that shisu never recovered, but i guess that’s bc there’s nothing to go on and all we see of shisu is her not mentally well and then dying, so yeah. logically maybe it makes sense if she recovered but the writing tells us nada.

phydia63
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replied to your post “Oh yeah, Griffith being dead will…”

I’d like for Griff to sacrifice himself for Guts, throwback to him being reckless when Guts is in danger like when he was human. It’ll break my heart but I’ll be happy too

yeaaah totally, this would be the ideal. especially since now that i think about it we already saw femto hesitating and failing to kill guts, so repeating that won’t have quite the same oomph

wingsfreedom
replied to your post “Oh yeah, Griffith being dead will effectively kill his potential…”

Good points. As much as I like Griffith character, I think he will die in the end. But will remembered as a hero nonetheless.

ty! and yeah tbh this seems likely to me. A hero in the eyes of the world at least. Maybe not the audience so much, but if we see a glimpse of humanity first I’ll be satisfied. (tbh I want to see him hesitate while fighting Guts or something.)

craigslost replied to your post “phydia63
replied to your post “everyone look at how cute this panel…”

“oh yeah they’re fifteen” is has SUCH a different impact than “barely older than isidro” im losing my mind

lmao ikr but i mean look at this child:

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and i think isidro’s 14 rn so there u go, it’s terrifying.

phydia63

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                       I just thought it was Miura’s art progression,
but nope, those were real child soldiers alright

yeeep. tbh guts’ age progression is actually rly laid out in detail so i think while reading it doesn’t strike you as much bc you see him grow up progressively, but going back after seeing 24 year old guts is jarring.

phydia63
replied to your post “everyone look at how cute this panel is”

they look so smol here! I didn’t really notice that reading the manga for the first time, but it really cements the fact that they are all so young

yeah that really struck me while re-reading it after getting used to adult guts lol, they really do look 15ish at the start of the golden age. like they’re barely older than isidro, lol, it’s kind of wild.

jyuanka
replied to your post “you can tell that guts and griffith are meant to be ambiguously gay bc…”

i like to think the woman on skullknight’s horse armor is a depiction of flora, flaring her wings for protection, being there as a good omen

yeah i always assumed it was flora too. i kinda figured it was just a token of whatever their relationship was, but i like the idea that it’s for protection, whether symbolic or actually magic.

madchen
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replied to your post “ok the chapter where neogriffith’s…”

i see people actually insist that like “nooo griffith made it clear it was the fetus making him feel stuff sweetie :)” and its just. i get the writing and irony or whatever behind thinking that but its sloppy and easy and not emotionally satisfying. or maybe it is for freaks who hate griffith idk.

i’ve seen people insist that griffith made it clear he doesn’t feel guilty lol, so many berserk fans have like negative reading comprehension

like with the fetus idk, maybe i could see an argument that it’s ironic? like lol griffith thought he’d escaped feelings but now something else’s feelings, which he’s responsible for creating during the eclipse, are fucking him over again, serves him right. maybe the idea of evil is punking him or smthn. but yeah it would still be sloppy, emotionally pointless writing lol.

tbh even if the fetus is only forcing him to save casca i feel like… it’s unnecessary. one of my major writing pet peeves is when you could explain something thru organic characterization and development you’ve already established, and instead you decide to explain it through artificial means like magic/brainwashing/physical changes to their mind/whatever.

if neogriffith’s blood is unfrozen, well, we don’t know what that means exactly, but one thing it could mean is that he’s reverting back to human griffith in mind. because he’s on another plane of godlike awareness he’s never going to be entirely human griffith again, but if miura tells me that human griffith’s emotions are unfrozen or w/e then I would absolutely believe it would fuck him up and make him do irrational things without thinking, like save casca from rocks. and i’d believe that griffith would deny it to himself and continue acting cold and aloof, bc lol it’s griffith, now re-dedicated to his dream with godlike powers and memories of being a monster and choosing to sacrifice everyone he loves, obviously he’s going to deny and repress whatever he’s feeling.

you don’t need the additional step of magic baby possession to justify it, it just takes away from all that excellent character work we already have.

like ok i’ll take the baby possession when it comes to his reaction to casca if it ends up being true, fine, but i absolutely refuse when it comes to his feelings for guts. that just crosses a line.

madchen
replied to your post “ok the chapter where neogriffith’s heart starts going offvisible…”

yes im so confused by people who insist that it has to be the fetus bc we were told point blank like… are we reading the same character driven story? do you like interesting stories? how dumb would it be if the irony behind the cold evil villain was actually just a magic baby and not his own feelings bc lol he was a one dimensional evil sociopath all along like snoreeeee

omg right?

i seriously can’t wrap my mind around the concept of a writer spending about 70 chapters establishing the intense emotional connection between guts and griffith, showing us that griffith’s feelings for guts are even more powerful than his ridiculously epic dream, and then bringing griffith back as an antagonist while hinting that his feelings are still there in some form, the feelings that drove the plot of a huge important narrative arc that is basically the character foundation for everything that comes after…

only for those feelings to actually be fake now and coincidentally just the feelings of a fetus he absorbed one time.

like why would anyone want to either write or read that lmao

phydia63
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Oh yeah, I remember Flora asking Guts whether the betchi is his or he’s just a carrier, so I guess it’s possible. Ughhhh I can imagine all the tension between Guts and Casca, no thanks, Miura don’t do that. But on the other hand Casca will surely have a lovely relationship with Farnesca, since they got really close. I can’t wait till they finally have a proper conversation.

yesss no matter what happens I can’t wait for farnese to interact with sane casca, plz miura i desperately need them to talk.

phydia63
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Can she use a behelit if she’s already a branded sacrifice? The two don’t have to necessarily cancel each other, but I don’t think it’s probable.

The godhand said early on that you can’t sacrifice someone who’s already been sacrificed, but nothing about whether a sacrifice can use a behelit. Since we’re meant to think the possibility exists for Guts to use it it stands to reason the possibility exists for Casca.

But it’s just my theory because I want something epic and game-changing ito happen soon with Guts and co, and if it makes G*tsca much less likely to happen or become a sexual tension will-they-won’t-they get back together thing, that’s an added bonus lol.

phydia63
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replied to your post “While reading the part of that last…”

I really can’t wait for the inevitable fight between Guts and Casca when she gets her memories back, she’d totally break up with him and want to stay away, though I think she won’t just leave the group because, like in her mind scape, she understands fundamentally that he did try to help her. Guts is already resigned and I think he’ll be “I totally deserved that, but it still hurts”.

I’d be pretty much down with this happening tbh. It would be awful if they just got back together no harm no foul, though I doubt that will happen. This seems like the happiest possibility, really 😀 And yeah the fact that he’s the dog dragging her around in her head does suggest that she sees him as helping her.

My biggest hope is that she wakes up, and reacts to her years-delayed trauma in some way that advances the plot. My main idea is that she uses chekhov’s behelit, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be that drastic. And she could do something important after hashing everything out with Guts.

phydia63
replied to your post “While reading the part of that last post and the part about Casca…”

It can get really messy if Casca not getting her memories back leads to her leaving Guts because she remembers him assaulting her and go to Griffith because she doesn’t remembers his. That would be poor taste though, I’d much rather like Casca working through her feelings and memories.

Like if she only gets partial memories back, but doesn’t remember the eclipse? I actually hadn’t thought of that possibility, but yeaaaaah I def would not want that to happen. As well as being bad taste I think it would be cheap frustrating drama, and Casca would still be a plot device for conflict.

I’d also way prefer if she gets all her memories back and has to work through the trauma in some way, whether that means Elfhelm therapy or going on a rampage, I just want Casca to be an active character with agency again.

mastermistressofdesire
replied to your post “tbh devilman and berserk are exactly the same except griffith turns…”

I kinda wanna start devilman properly. Where do I start

this awesome fan wrote a devilman guide to help sort everything out bc there’s lots of sequels and spinoffs etc

it’s much, much sillier and cheesier with way flatter characters than berserk, and also way shorter, but it’s fun and surprisingly entertaining. i wouldn’t recommend the sequel, devilman lady, because it’s 90% offensively terrible with a few great moments, but she also has a devilman lady post that talks about it and links to some of the good parts. there’s a link somewhere in the devilman guide post.

yesgabsstuff
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“My Big Gay Berserk Analysis 3”

@bthump I do think that there is so much to look at via the “predatory gays trope” and the way it’s handled in the text especially in regard to Casca. The text seems on the one hand to be dealing very forthrightly with toxic masculinity and homophobia and it having destructive consequences while at the same time sort of reinforcing the idea that “not normal” desires or even just difficulties that are as the result of trauma do ultimately lead you satisfy those desires with violence in a way? Idk

Yeah I definitely didn’t get as into it as I could’ve.

In my final gay berserk post I do get into the depiction of trauma in Berserk a bit and how it affects the characters/plot so I discuss this kind of thing a little there. So stay tuned for that, it might be of some interest.

Idk if I’d call Berserk “forthright” when it comes to homophobia, since any potential depiction of it (say internalized homophobia and repression on Guts or Griffith’s parts) is left in subtext. It’s more forthright on misogyny, but even then the textual depiction of it tends to be 2 dimensional hot takes like rape threats and “boy it sure sucks to be a woman in a society that sees them as lesser, also periods.”

lol I’ve been kind of kicking this response around for a while and not really coming up with anything useful to say. idk like Berserk + misogyny/homophobia/etc is the most difficult subject of all. If you ever wrote an analysis of it I’d be v into reading it though.

I think ultimately my take boils down to feeling like the bad by far outweighs the good, even if some of what Miura did is purposeful commentary. So like say, the way Guts and Griff are both victims of sexual predators (who use their societal position to facilitate their predatory behaviour, ie Gennon using his wealth and power to collect a harem and Donovan telling Guts it happens all the time in mercenary camps), and the way both of their ~dark sides~ manifest in sexual assault while evidencing homoerotic desire they couldn’t act on. Maybe it’s a deliberate point that societal violence begets violence and internalized homophobia fucks you up. But even if that’s what Miura’s trying to say (and I do think it’s def a stretch) it’s still so offensively depicted (eroticization of assault, Casca’s fridging, no positive gay characters to compensate for all the predatory homoeroticism, etc) that it doesn’t really make it much better to me.

But then at the same time author intention doesn’t necessarily matter when it comes to what the reader gets out of a text. Like, in that 4th part of my gay meta I mentioned I basically throw author intention out the window and say ‘here’s what I get from it and why i prefer this take to whatever miura may have intended.’ 

so idk basically i think various opinions on this subject are worthwile regardless of the author and how he fucks up bc his own offensive biases etc get in the way, and if you have more thoughts on his at any point I’m interested!

mastermistressofdesire
replied to your post “Do you think guts’ rpg group is going to die?”

Of the new party I really just care about Farnese and Serpico. Also miura had spent a lot of nuance on Farnese I doubt she’s going to be an expendable character

same, and yeah I think you’re probably right. After Guts and Griffith she’s the third most developed character (more than Casca was I’d say) so it would seem like a huge waste to kill her off just for the extra tragedy.

seisans
replied to your post “*it’s not griffguts tho I LOVE your thoughts and meta ❤* Do you think…”

tbh the whole “little white spirit is moonlight boy” thing is a little too on the nose for me, miura doesn’t tend to beat people over the head like that generally? and also another thing that makes ppl think it’s like a part of griffith’s soul or w/e is its hair, and honestly that’s more convincing to me than the whole “you’re like some playful kid” thing

I see what you mean about the hair, tho I could see that as the pure light astral version of MB’s hair. But yeah Miura does kind of slap you upside the head with significant shots of MB after astral kid saves Guts, so it would be an interesting twist if they were 2 different beings. Esp since despite those obvious connection shots (I don’t have any saved and I’m too lazy to try to find them rn but yk what I mean) Guts does still pose the question of who Astral kid is instead of assuming it’s MB because they show up at the same time, which suggests that it’s still meant to be up in the air.