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griff-guts
replied to your post “Lucifer and Satan aren’t the same sorry but there aren’t, Satan is…”

in addition to danny’s biblical evidence lemme add that in both dantes divine comedy and miltons paradise lost lucifer = satan, so even if the bible didn’t already explicitly say it, one could draw the conclusion from those works which is tbh where 99% of the cultural understanding of satan and his goals personality etc comes from because there’s actually very little about satan even said in the bible.

v good point.

i mean yeah even if miura is referencing lucifer somewhere i’m very sure it would be the popular conception of him. plus the holy see seems p catholic in particular, speaking of popular conceptions.

craigslost
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i dont know what this post is referencing (why the diff matters) but *whips out bible* lucifer and satan is the same, lucifer was the name of the angel that thought it’d be cool if he could be equal to or greater than god and satan literally just translates to “the adversary” in hebrew. the adversary as in “that douchebag whomst name we no longer say”. again. dont know why this was relevant but i was forced to be baptist for over a decade, mise well whip out tha know

yeah since the anon mentioned an
occult demonology cult

i feel like this is v much a matter of different interpretations of the bible lol. the context was just whether griffith is a version of satan/lucifer/whatever. but ty i’m just kind of going with the flow and i figure this is the more popular interpretation miura would’ve drawn on for any potential christian references.

kissing-monsters
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@bthump I can’t copy your tags on mobile to reply but omg you could write literally a novel on the subject of phallic symbols in berserk holy shit (I’d read it)

lol honestly there’s so much material. and when you’re talking about a story where the main character gives a goddess an orgasm by stabbing her with his giant sword i feel like everything is fair game

seisans
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me too god it’s getting to the point where guts’ parts of the story actually annoy me

yeaaaah. i mean for the last million chapters guts’ story has been fighting boring seaweed looking monsters in the middle of the ocean, annoying pirates, round like 3 of using the armour but not quite falling under its influence thanks to schierke yadda yadda yadda, then elfhelm which i find cloyingly wholesome, and now we’re in casca’s mind about to revisit the eclipse which isn’t something i’m particularly looking forward to either

so far the highlights have been farnese and p much only farnese imo

seisans
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this is absolutely on purpose, miura can be a great writer when he wants to

Yeah ia. There are a lot of rly ambiguous NGriff moments that seemed designed to make the reader go “ooooh what is he thinking,” so I can’t believe he’s annoyingly serene and inscruitable by accident.

like these days I prefer his narrative to Guts’ just bc I find the secondary characters more interesting, the themes/philosophy more interesting, and I love those little hinting moments, like the way we don’t get to see his expression when Rickert shoots him down and takes off, but I’m getting impatient for the reveal of what’s actually going on in his head lol.

yesgabsstuff
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@bthump Also this song took me screaming back to being in the 7th grade.

 @inablackmirror 
said: This song has been special to me for a long time, so that made it even more meaningful to me.

I’m extra glad you enjoyed it then and the song choice worked for you! Thank you 🙂

also honestly same on both counts tbh, I listened to Let Go all the time in jr high and I re-listened to it in a fit of nostalgia a few months ago, got to this song and was like, wooooow this is the most griffith thing I’ve ever heard. so eventually I had to vid it.

seisans
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with complex characters like these there’s always that risk that the anime staff is going to try to assign them a trope. i think that happened with guts and casca

oops i missed this the other day. but yeah it def feels like that’s what happened. and ngl I also kind of wonder if they thought G*tsca was too sudden in the manga lol, and felt it needed more build up.

yoikami
replied to your post “u ever think about how griffith was dangling from a broken arm at the…”

It was the last time Griffith decided to keep what’s most precious and preventing him from reaching his goals.

oh man, you know especially considering the godhand had already pretty much explained everything (you’ll sacrifice everyone here and become a god, cool huh?) this really is like, the last time Griffith chose him over his dream.

brb crying

phydia63
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And not to mention those moments that were cut were supposed to humanize Griffith and make him more relatable and fun. Anime and films made him look just cruel and cunning.

yeahhhh

tbh i feel like there are a lot of rly minor, seemingly insignificant tweaks that end up making the story feel much flatter overall. In the anime I mean, the movies just full on cut most of Griffith’s character out lol.

But like, little things like how he looks angry rather than regretful when Guts is about to kill the hired goons in tombstone of flame, or how we don’t see his face on “do you think I’m cruel?” or losing the moment where Guts remembers him asking him not to tell the Hawks about the assassinations, etc, all add up to less depth and less understanding and sympathy.

Also Guts tends to look way more dour imo, like his default expression is much pissier in the anime than the manga, which makes him seem low-key resentful constantly and kills a lot of the chemistry between Griffith and Guts in significant scenes. Also a bunch of his super fond wistful thinking-about-Griffith smiles are gone lol. I’m sure that helps contribute to the idea that anything between them is one-sided.

And then there are the filler scenes added just so Guts can do something useful and Casca can act like a tsundere, playing up Guts and Casca in a rly cliched way.

Also no flashback to Guts during sex with Charlotte, and his scratch marks are interpreted as a giant scar which doesn’t make any sense – there’s no reason for him to be clutching a mysterious scar and crying, but we’ve seen him self harm before so like, whoever made that call fucked up.

Ooh the torture – the scene that happens after Griffith has spent about one day in the dungeon in the manga instead happens right before Guts returns which really makes his suffering in the anime seem diminished in comparison.

Also Guts’ sparks speech to Casca is turned into half an episode of him chilling with Godo, which means that his dream of fighting people and swinging his sword forever is treated as completely noble and manly by the narrative, because we don’t get Casca’s immediate “you sound like a fucking asshole” counterpoint. Casca’s angry reaction is instead solely a reaction to Guts saying he’s leaving again, not to his whole “dream,” which also makes her look worse.

Idk this turned into a list bc I’ve been thinking about this a lot recently lol. The anime does a lot of things rly well too, but idk I definitely feel like I interpret the story pretty differently to whoever made it.

kissing-monsters
replied to your post “@kissing-monsters lmao ikr Berserk is the kind of thing I’d rec like……”

it’s exactly that, there’s like venn diagrams of what my friends are into and it doesn’t fully overlap with annnyone else I know irl except well me obvs. if it doesn’t put someone off because of the graphic and unpleasantly depicted rape, it’s the violence factor, or the anime factor, or the tragic “ending” factor, or the “hey this isn’t actually finished” factor ha.

yeah. it’s too bad because there’s so much to love about it, but like ngl if I’d heard about it and been warned about what happens I might’ve avoided it too so I can’t blame anyone for not wanting to get into it. i’m actually pretty glad i had a friend who got me to watch the anime without telling me anything about it first lol, tho I’d never spring it on anyone myself.

@kissing-monsters lmao ikr Berserk is the kind of thing I’d rec like… only if someone was specifically looking for a gay shakespearean tragedy and doesn’t mind rly dark shit, and then only with about 500 caveats and warnings.

but man it really hits the spot if that’s what you’re after ngl

and ty! lol i think especially part 4 has kind of a ship manifesto feel to it so I get what you mean.

@madchen hmmm

i also got 2 v similarly worded and themed messages (tho way longer) like a month ago that i ended up ignoring bc i was on vacation and by the time i had a chance to respond they were 2 weeks old and i didn’t gaf

so if it’s the same person they’re v persistent

kissing-monsters
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do you make amvs/vids then? any berserk ooones?

noncommittal handwave

i sometimes have creative streaks where i vid nonstop for a while and then never actually reach the point where i feel comfortable declaring it done, so they all end up 90% finished on my harddrive instead of posted anywhere.

but I’ve also gotten much better at participating in fandom in the last year or so so there’s a much higher chance now of maybe finishing something and posting it at some point in the future. and if I do it will probably be berserk related lol.

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YUP 100% LOVE IT like if the (het) characters are weirdly forced together/put together obviously to add drama its fucking nuts that ppl can read it as True Love and like. bc griffith and guts dont outright say ‘we are gay and and love’ all the “’subtext”“ is ”’noncanonical’“ and therefore means nothing and is irrelevant i guess

ikr, and when it comes to canonicity like… it’s canonically ambiguous i guess bc yeah it’s only subtext but who cares when lbr we know it’s gay and they know it’s gay and everyone knows it

like come on if there was legit no overwhelming subtext and their relationship could be most easily interpreted as purely platonic, uncomfortable dudebro berserk fans wouldn’t feel compelled to disregard half the plot to the point of hamstringing the story for themselves

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“the only woman guts ever loved” as if guts has ever come within breathing room of any other woman since the only one he knows personally is on account of her being his coworker and thus forced to share space with his smelly b*tch ass….

lmao true

also luv that w/ het ships ppl can declare shit like this with utter conviction despite guts never speaking or thinking of casca in terms of love, and despite the writer saying that casca and guts hooked up for extra eclipse drama and casca’s only around now so guts can keep being bitter.

but anything gay? clearly fake and just reaching

kissing-monsters
replied to your post “the berserk episode synopses on wikipedia are killing me cut for petty…”

It’s… so confusing though, a close friend of mine watched the series based partially on my rec and him wanting to see it for ages and he misunderstood… basically… everything??? HOW DOES BERSERK FANDOM OUTSIDE TUMBLR FUNCTION???

honestly same, I really don’t get it. Like I can see general homophobia making ppl desperately want to downplay the gay vibes leading to as little emphasis on Guts and Griffith’s relationship, and especially Guts’ (extremely and wholly positive) feelings for Griffith as possible. Like describing Guts’ decision to leave the Hawks as “he does not want to be caught up in Griffith’s dream anymore” is technically accurate, and yet completely downplays the fact that the reason he doesn’t want to be caught up in Griffith’s dream is because Griffith is “dazzling” and he wants Griffith to “look at [him]” and he wants to feel like his equal and be regarded as a True Friend. In the terrible episode description it’s instead framed like Guts is pissed off about having to assassinate people lol.

And idk I think it might also be partially this weird desperate need to have a Hero and a Villain and have Guts prevail over the villain and ride off into the sunset with the Rescued Love Interest, because a lot of people are frankly boring and like boring stories and can’t conceive of good stories outside those basic parameters. So they twist the narrative in their head until it fits that shape, despite Guts and Casca not having anything like a traditional true love romance and Miura saying he only had Casca survive the Eclipse to keep Guts focused on revenge, despite Griffith not being a pure evil villain even after the Eclipse and certainly not before (like Miura’s directly talked about NGriff’s moral ambiguity and the way he’s not a traditional evil antagonist), despite the clearly complicated emotions that still exist between Guts and Griffith/Femto/NGriff, etc.

At my most generous I think part of the reason people choose to believe Griffith was evil all along is because Femto’s defining act is rape and people are uncomfortable seeing any good in a character who eventually becomes a rapist, tho personally the fact that he magically transforms into a demon first kind of mitigates that for me lol. (And, and I’ve ranted about this before but still, it’s also a double standard when so many of the same people go out of their way to excuse Guts when he sexually assaults Casca.)

But still idk it’s weird. Like, eg there’s so much you have to ignore to believe that Guts leaving the Hawks was fine and dandy and a good choice and Griffith was just a dick who overreacted. Pages and pages of Guts fretting about it, Casca yelling it at him, Guts regretting leaving, Guts realizing he was wrong in thinking Griffith looked down on him, Guts comparing abandoning Casca to abandoning Griffith multiple times, Guts determined not to make the same mistake again, etc etc. You can support Guts’ choice and blame Griffith all you want, but the narrative clearly does not, and it’s honestly baffling how ppl can ignore that when it’s not only discussed many times in direct words, but the whole story revolves around the fact that Guts made a mistake when he left.

Like what do you think the Golden Age is about if it’s not about a stupid misunderstanding between 2 dudes who both rly like each other and fail to realize their feelings are reciprocated and overreact and make dumb decisions because of that misunderstanding? I don’t understand what most Berserk fans see, it genuinely feels like we’re reading 2 different stories lol.

yesgabsstuff
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“the berserk episode synopses on wikipedia are killing me cut for petty…”

“Everything Griffith does is Evil Plotting because his hair is too shinny uwu.”

assassinating people who tried to assassinate him first? evil

saving lives at great personal risk or sacrifice? evil

catching a girl who almost fell down some stairs? evil

killing a pedophile who’d just spent 90% of his screen time cackling about his nefarious plan to capture him as a sex slave? you better believe that’s evil

seisans
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yeahhh, especially when translating japanese into english. happy to heeeeeeelp? but i wish we had an actual translator in the griffith apologist subfandom, that’d be rad since SO much is lost in translation no matter how hard you try to stay true to the original

yeah tbh I think DH did a good job in general in balancing accuracy w/ tone/character voices/flow/general readability/etc but i’d love to see more translations of scenes with notations and explanations and stuff that just can’t be conveyed otherwise. especially griffguts and griffith related bc yeah, the people who do generally do this in berserk fandom tend to be pretty biased against certain readings lol.

seisans
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sorry i keep going on about this but, although i’m not sure, i think there’s kind of a difference between just ‘sonna’ and ‘sonna koto nai’. ‘sonna’ leaves the main objection unsaid, and is often used as a reaction to hearing something upsetting. i’ve seen it translated as “why would you/don’t say (something like) that!” i’ve also seen it translated as just “that…!” or “that’s…!” and so on, it’s really hard to translate accurately
 now, in the 1997 anime she says
“sonna…!!” in that ‘reaction to upsetting thing’ tone, but in the
original manga it’s just “so–!!” and that, i feel, could be pretty much
anything starting with ‘sonna’ or ‘sore’ or w/e. one thing is for sure,
it’s not full on denial, since she cuts herself off. but yeah

i love your translation explanations and stuff, it’s rly interesting to me. I guess translations are never that straightforward, there’s so much to consider, but I love having all the additional info I can lol, so ty for going on about it!

seisans
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i mean really bad translators can fuck anything up but cutting dialogue off when it’s not cut off in the original doesn’t … really … i can’t say that it happens often lol. a misinterpretation of what she was trying to say IS possible, but having looked at the original now, there’s really nothing else that comes to mind other than “sonna (koto nai)” when a person stops after “so–” and also that scan is dark horse right? they’re pretty good at their job

yep it’s dark horse.

i’ve seen some scanlations where they’ll leave stuff out if they can’t translate it but deliberately cutting off a word would seem really weird lol.

and yeah i’ll take your word for it about the whole phrase being intended to be assumed to be “sonna koto nai.” It makes perfect sense in context and seems pretty straightforward.