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Hey this is pretty random but have you ever read the poem Richard Cory? When I first read it it reminded me of Griffith with how everyone in his life in this image, whether they loved him or hated him, they were all the same, never seeing the person he truly was. And in the end he ended up suffering for it.

I hadn’t but I have now, and yeah, I definitely see the similarities there. The perfect image vs something very different going on inside. Also ouch, what a depressing poem, ty for mentioning it!

prettykitten123
replied to your post “chaoticgaygriffith:
having re-read some bits and pieces of the manga…”

The way I see it human Griffiths ambition to rule over a kingdom never truly came from him per say??? It derived from his destiny. It was his destiny, a fate he wasnt aware of, that was the driving force behind his every action, behind his every victory and the reason why it was possible for him to climb the rigid social ladder.

And I don’t think NeoGriffiths lack of humanity would be the cause behind Faconia’s fall(if it does fall)
As a human I dont
think Griffith wouldve been able to handle doing everything that
NeoGriffith did. Despite how strong Human Griffith was he was still
prone to stress, doubt and anxiety. As a human Griffith tried to be
everything that he managed to become as a godhand, perfect.

And him hiding behind his strength, charisma, and beauty did take its
toll on him as a human. Then add the stress of being the messiah to all
of humanity, old Griffith wouldnt be able to do it

tbh I never really saw fate as a reason in and of itself for any choices people make in Berserk. Everyone has their own reasons for doing whatever they do, those reasons just play perfectly into fate’s hands. At one point Flora equates fate and “encounters,” which I like because it’s basically like a perfect meld of fate and free will.

eg Guts was fated to be picked up off the side of the road by Gambino, which thoroughly shaped him as a person; Guts was fated to overhear Griffith’s Promrose Hall speech, and the reason he chose to leave was largely because of a bundle of issues Gambino left him with. So Guts and his choices make perfect sense with or without fate having a hand in his life, it just so happens that fate is there behind the scenes making sure he is shaped by the right people.

so for Griffith, God tells him that he basically shaped the entire world, and Griffith’s ancestry, in order to bring Griffith into the world with a perfect set of traits to become the next Godhand, but everything he thinks and feels and does still makes sense just as a person with his particular history. So I can’t really say he’s obsessed with his dream because it’s his destiny, he’s obsessed with his dream because he has a particularly obsessive personality and he happened to see it at the right time in his life or under the right circumstances to become fixated or w/e – because of destiny lol.

Idk it’s convoluted but you gave me an opening to explain my thoughts on fate in berserk and I took it lol.

anyway aside from that long fate tangent that’s barely related to what you said lol, ia that human Griffith wouldn’t be able to do what NeoGriffith does. For one thing he’d’ve been crushed by Ganeshka without his army of apostles. And even without that, even if he just became king of Midland the way he was planning, if Guts never left, ia that I could see a scenario where reality hits him square in the head, being king turns out to be not all its cracked up to be, he still finds his power too limited to do everything he wants to do, and he struggles a lot under the pressure.

You know I’ve noticed that not a lot of people really talks about the whole messiah thing going on with Griffith. I think it’s interesting how Miura borrowed from the solar mythos/messiah narrative to shape Griffith’s character and I like that he gave it a twist to. Instead of him sacrificing himself he sacrifices his friends but I guess you could make the argument that the action represents him sacrificing his humanity and is thus sacrificing himself.

Yeah, I think it’s a rly interesting aspect. I don’t think I have enough knowledge of Christian theology to say anything smart on the topic beyond being like, hmm yes Griffith is the messiah in a very cynical take on religion. I coud see it being a very grim take on self sacrifice in that sense, ie sacrificing his humanity by sacrificing people he loves so much they’re like part of himself.

prettykitten123
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@bthump right??? I have friends and a cousin who denies that there were any romantic feelings between them but I’ve noticed that most of the fans who deny it never provide evidence for their claims. I’m still waiting for my cousin to give me a reason(he’s the only one I actually expect would come up with some evidence but I have evidence of my own)

And another thing that gets me is that people know that Berserk was inspired by Devilman which was a shounen ai.

Yeah Devilman’s clear influence on Berserk and Guts and Griffith’s relationship trajectory is a pretty huge indicator lol.

hetero goggles tho man, they’re powerful. like Berserk is a story where one dude asks the other dude if he’s gay five minutes after they meet and that dude completely fails to answer, and people still manage to miss the subtext somehow.

@just-a-daft-punk not sure if I’m interpreting your comment correctly, do you mean guts and casca would’ve run off together earlier if it weren’t for casca’s feelings for griffith? because tbh i don’t see it myself, it took judeau practically shoving guts at her multiple times and then an attempted suicide and emotional breakdown for guts to make a move. and right before leaving he dismissed the idea of getting together with her out of hand because he wanted to prioritize finding a dream and becoming griffith’s friend.

like guts just didn’t really show any interest in her beyond leering at her in her dress once before his two chats with judeau imo.

prettykitten123
replied to your post “i ventured out of my cozy berserk circle and saw a mildly analytical…”

@bthump how I feel whenever I meet a berserk fan who adamantly denies the obvious chemistry between Griffith and Guts.

lol it genuinely throws me off ngl. it’s weird how two people can read the same story and come away with vastly, vastly different conceptions of what it’s about. I get that there’s always variation between any two readings of a story, but Berserk has one of the widest gulfs between different types of fans I’ve ever seen.

prettykitten123
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bthump:

chaoticgaygriffith:

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I feel like the way he executed the heterosexual couplings in this manga is like the way Oscar Wilde did in his book Picture Of Dorian Gray. The straight couples have no substance whereas the undertones of homosexuality between two men had more depth and emotion.

With that being said I know there’s a whole debate on whether Griffith and Guts were homosexual or straight or this or that but to me honestly I don’t even think they knew about their sexuality.

one day i really should actually read podg. but honestly based on what i’ve heard and the sheer volume of subtext in berserk it seems like an apt comparison.

speaking for myself i headcanon both as gay and mostly in denial/ignorant of that fact. i mean guts i could see as bi as well pretty easily, like either works for me, but griffith is Gay imo.

when it comes to being more “”objectively”” analytical I can acknowledge that it’s all subtext and therefore their sexualities can’t technically be asserted as fact either way, but since i really dislike the assumption of straight as default i happily just take it as read that they’re fully in love and attracted to each other. even if it is just subtext, I consider it to be the like… occam’s razor of readings. it’s the simplest explanation for a lot of the content of the manga so why not roll with it, yk?