seisans
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yeah i feel like i can’t imagine him detailing it completely just because like. 1. he’s trying to maintain this perfect image but also 2. he seems to want to put this behind him and pretend like it doesn’t affect him … as part of pretending like guts is irrelevant to him now yk? but yea

Yeah I imagine the explanation is either a very large lie by omission (like, Rickert resents me because I led the Hawks into an unwinnable battle) or a little closer to the truth but without the gritty details (God took their lives to grant me a new beginning and the power to save the world, or smthn)

@chaoticgaygriffith said:
you dare diss the
films ….. when the anime series exist ……. both the old one and the new
one tbh 1997 has its moments but it mostly failed us when it comes to
character designs
the music and the scenery + some colour choices, goddd for all its flaws …. it’s an Experience


@phydia63
​ said: same! i love the way the noses are drawn.

Yeah I love a lot about the old anime, including the style (like everything you said, + the 90s animation in general tbh, esp with the stills) but the ova character designs are my fave next to the late golden age manga style

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and honestly, from what I’ve gathered, in most people’s opinion Guts is only better than Griffith in that sense that he “didn’t rape the other man’s woman”. I’m not defending Griffith obviously, but Guts is no moral beacon either lmao

idk in some parts of fandom there really are a lot of people who seem to think guts is justified in everything he does because monsters are bad/he’s had a hard life/etc and anything he does that is clearly terrible (like eg assaulting casca) wasn’t his fault anyway/isn’t that bad bc he stopped partway thru and he’s making up for it by taking her to elfhelm so stfu/etc

but luckily i don’t encounter those opinions much unless i start reading like, youtube comments and shit lol.

Tho if you’re including takes like “wow Guts is such a hero and martyr for taking Casca to Elfhelm” or respecting women juice style memes ft Guts then it starts feeling more common. But tbf posts like that don’t necessarily encompass someone’s entire nuanced opinion of a character lol.

phydia63
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That would make Guts a werewolf- beast of darkness is a dog lol And aside from the obvious messiah parallels, what fantasy creature would Griffith be?

yeah guts is definitely a werewolf. for griffith i want to say siren. the bird type, not the mermaid type. his thing is being pretty, having ridiculous amounts of charisma and enchanting everyone basically, i feel like it fits.

phydia63
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I can’t believe I missed the fact that Griffith has sharp canines in that last panel. Suddenly I stan him even more, if that’s at all possible lol Also I agree with everything 😀

damn i never noticed that either lol

alongside the oddly pointy ears they both have little fangs

a matching set of intimidating, larger than life dark vs light figures

phydia63
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Yes, I meant the reflective pupil 😀 It really looks unnatural, which I guess is the point

yeah totally, it’s a detail i really like bc it makes ngriff look subtly otherworldly

i think @chaoticgaygriffith made a compilation of other characters who have similarly reflective eyes tho i can’t find it rn, and they’re all like magical or monstrous iirc

i think schierke gets it too sometimes when she’s doing magic

Do you think the Heaven exists in Berserk universe? I know behelit sacrifices go to Hell for sure, but iirc (and correct if I’m wrong) Vargas from the Black Swordsman arc wasn’t a sacrifice but still went to Hell when he died.

I definitely do. While liveblogging it a while ago I kind of landed on this theory of Berserk’s afterlife which I got into here.

Basically if I was going to guess I’d say that since ethereal bodies gravitate towards other ethereal bodies of the same nature, hell is other people applies here. Hell is hell because you’re stuck in a swirly whirlpool becoming one with a bunch of horrible people like yourself. And heaven would be heaven because you’re in a nice swirly whirlpool becoming one with a bunch of nice people.

I also think it’s likely that Guts, other sacrifices, and even apostles aren’t by default automatically going to hell, despite what’s implied in the Black Swordsman arc. Going to hell just because you “got caught up with demonkind” meaning you hung out with a demon or were killed by or sacrificed by a demon seems stupid to me, and doesn’t make sense with things Flora says later on about Ods and stuff (she also says caring for Casca might be his protection from hellfire iirc). It’s absolutely suggested when Puck is all concerned that Guts being branded means he’s going to go to Hell, and Guts himself is clearly worried about that inevitability, but imo it makes more sense for “got caught up with demonkind” to be “acted like a demon/succumbed to one’s dark side” lol. ie Guts on his revenge rampage, Vargas consumed by revenge himself, etc.

It would be kind of a twist, in a way? Guts thinks he’s inevitably going to hell because he’s been sacrificed, but it’s actually because due to the sacrifice he’s consumed by revenge and being an asshole.

(This could also be Miura evolving the idea as he goes. Guts being inevitably bound for hell works in the whole early super grimdark Black Swordsman setting, but if he wants something less than a crushingly depressing ending that’s not gonna fly now.)

Oh also I think Femto mentions the vibrations of the Count’s soul carrying him closer to hell, implying he could also vibrate away from hell, even despite being an apostle. I’m too lazy to find the page and check the wording though.

tl;dr yeah I think there’s a heaven and I think anyone could theoretically go there.

seisans
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to be fair femto vs neo griff is still unclear

true

but you’d think femto would be even less capable of emotion than neogriff since he got the whole frozen blood crystalization of your last tear shed thing, while neogriff had to test himself now that he’s in a flesh and blood body, and then failed the test

but yeah it is still like ambiguous and up in the air so i guess we can’t do more than throw educated guesses at the wall lol

@phydia63 said:
People conveniently forget about that moment too. It’s propaganda I say xD 

yeah it gets ignored way too often when it’s like the high point of the post-sacrifice eclipse stuff.

@phydia63​ if you want spoilers

kissing-monsters
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oh jesus what now

the return of my most hated fictional entity of all time: the fucking fetus

i haven’t seen an english translation yet but fetus(/moonlight boy) is like representitve to me of all the ways berserk could end up being absolutely terrible and disappointing so i’m 😡 about seeing it in casca’s mind right after imaginary guts fights imaginary femto

regardless of what the context might end up being i doubt it’s gonna make me happy. at the very least it seems like a strong indication that the fetus is influencing NeoGriff and Casca sensed it which, while not a final nail in the coffin yet, feels like a hammer poised to hit one

phydia63
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They also took the innocent and gentle smile Guts has in those moments and I’m not down with that.

lol yeah tbh that might be my number one issue with the anime. they just make guts look so much pissier and dour compared to the manga, it really gives the impression that he’s constantly discontent and resentful. like idk i feel like it’s the art style in large part, a lot of the expressions miura draws rely on subtleties that seem like they’d be way harder to convey in the style of the anime, but it’s still unfortunate

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“phydia63
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And not to mention those moments that were cut were supposed to humanize Griffith and make him more relatable and fun. Anime and films made him look just cruel and cunning.

yeahhhh

tbh i feel like there are a lot of rly minor, seemingly insignificant tweaks that end up making the story feel much flatter overall. In the anime I mean, the movies just full on cut most of Griffith’s character out lol.

But like, little things like how he looks angry rather than regretful when Guts is about to kill the hired goons in tombstone of flame, or how we don’t see his face on “do you think I’m cruel?” or losing the moment where Guts remembers him asking him not to tell the Hawks about the assassinations, etc, all add up to less depth and less understanding and sympathy.

Also Guts tends to look way more dour imo, like his default expression is much pissier in the anime than the manga, which makes him seem low-key resentful constantly and kills a lot of the chemistry between Griffith and Guts in significant scenes. Also a bunch of his super fond wistful thinking-about-Griffith smiles are gone lol. I’m sure that helps contribute to the idea that anything between them is one-sided.

And then there are the filler scenes added just so Guts can do something useful and Casca can act like a tsundere, playing up Guts and Casca in a rly cliched way.

Also no flashback to Guts during sex with Charlotte, and his scratch marks are interpreted as a giant scar which doesn’t make any sense – there’s no reason for him to be clutching a mysterious scar and crying, but we’ve seen him self harm before so like, whoever made that call fucked up.

Ooh the torture – the scene that happens after Griffith has spent about one day in the dungeon in the manga instead happens right before Guts returns which really makes his suffering in the anime seem diminished in comparison.

Also Guts’ sparks speech to Casca is turned into half an episode of him chilling with Godo, which means that his dream of fighting people and swinging his sword forever is treated as completely noble and manly by the narrative, because we don’t get Casca’s immediate “you sound like a fucking asshole” counterpoint. Casca’s angry reaction is instead solely a reaction to Guts saying he’s leaving again, not to his whole “dream,” which also makes her look worse.

Idk this turned into a list bc I’ve been thinking about this a lot recently lol. The anime does a lot of things rly well too, but idk I definitely feel like I interpret the story pretty differently to whoever made it.

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Miura was cockocking them with plot armour and miscommunication tropes. Let them fuck Miura you coward!

ikkkkkkkkr

the golden age is straight up a slow burn mutually requited pining story except instead of eventually figuring their shit out they ruin everything forever

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they love each other and they can’t see that they’re loved in return and if miura just let them fuck everyone would’ve lived happily ever after

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It would suck imo if Roderick turns out to be a dick just like every male character in berserk ever.
If he is a nice guy like it seems rn, I can see him going with the flow when Farnese breaks off the engagement

yeah, there sure aren’t many non-dickish dudes in Berserk. Maybe Serpico? But with him it’s less that he genuinely wants to be a decent guy and more like he can’t be assed to be a dick bc it’s more of a hassle lol. so far roderick is fairly refreshing.

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I was really pleasantly surprised by Roderick, I expected him to be a slimy man since he is friends with Magnifico lol But he was so chill, also he’s cool on a ship xD I’d like if he and Farny become nice friends

same! the way he was introduced as Farnese’s surprise fiancee set up by her scheming brother definitely made me expect the worst but so far he’s been a surprisingly good dude. i’d love to see Farnese break off the engagement and Roderick take it in stride and remain friends with her. i mean I guess there’s some ulterior motive to them getting married (due to that whispery ball conversation between roderick and magnifico), so that might not be how it goes, but it would be nice and I could definitely see Roderick being amiable about it.

Serpico and Roderick

Serpico:

character: hate them | don’t really care | like them | LOVE them | THEY ARE MY PRECIOUS

ship with: this is so difficult. I really want him and Guts to have a weird drunken hookup exactly once, but that’s not really shipping. I could see him with Roderick, I think it would be cute if he’s engaged to Farnese but just shrugs when it turns out she’s not interested and gets with Serpico instead lol, and Serpico seems to like manly yet relatively decent dudes (you cannot tell me he didn’t hit on Luca’s bf that one time).

I’ve also seen Serpico/Silat suggested, and I mean they’ve never interacted before but the idea kind of leapt out at me and tbh I could see it. Serpico’s chill and reasonable, Silat is hot-headed but also reasonable, Silat is a leader who has a goal, Serpico is more of a tempering follower, Silat’s flashy and Serpico’s understated. Idk they feel like a good combination.

brotp: Farnese ofc. I do love them together, in a platonic sibling way lol. Whatever happens I wouldn’t want to see them separate.

general opinions: Serpico is a v refreshing character in the world of Berserk lol, it’s kind of nice having someone in the mix who is chill. I mean he’s chill to a fault, and it’s shown to be also a result of childhood trauma (oh Berserk), but it makes a good contrast to everyone else. I enjoy his character development, which is subtler than most other characters – like watching him slooooowly move from wanting Guts to die to occasionally saving his life has been great. It’d be nice to see him with another important relationship outside of Farnese – we can see that the RPG group is growing on him, but while Farnese has new, influential relationships with Guts, Schierke, Casca, and Roderick to an extent, Serpico doesn’t really. Give him a boyfriend, Miura.

Roderick:

character: hate them | don’t really care | like them | LOVE them | THEY ARE MY PRECIOUS

ship with: Serpico, or tbh Magnifico lol. I mean lbr, Magnifico hooked him up with his lesbian sister so they could conveniently beard for each other.

brotp: Farnese, I think they have the beginnings of a cute friendship, or Guts, bc they hit it off pretty well with some chill mutual battle-related respect and Guts needs more ordinary, well-adjusted bros.

general opinions: He doesn’t really grab me as a character, but I don’t dislike him either. He’s nice, he seems like a good dude – he’s the one who headed the attempt to save Guts from the sea god thing, and I can respect that, plus I enjoyed the reveal that he’s like the fighting equivalent of Guts on a ship. I think he’s got more going on beneath the pleasant exterior – we had that interrupted schemy conversation with Magnifico that we still haven’t addressed afaik, but I doubt it’s anything particularly sinister.

phydia63
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I’d like for Griff to sacrifice himself for Guts, throwback to him being reckless when Guts is in danger like when he was human. It’ll break my heart but I’ll be happy too

yeaaah totally, this would be the ideal. especially since now that i think about it we already saw femto hesitating and failing to kill guts, so repeating that won’t have quite the same oomph