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madchen
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im gay and am now thinking about how much guts wants to probably “court” griffith and treat him good 😦

this is the realest thing i’ve ever seen

(and was that not basically the point of leaving for a dream lol. it’s like an old school greek epic courtship trial thing. i must become the best swordsman ever so i’ll be worthy of griffith.)

also i’m too lazy to c/p but for real @ your 2nd comment, like, it’s seriously the epitome of everything i hate most about fictional het. brash asshole dude and vulnerable woman he must protect. it’s even worse than most bc casca is theoretically a badass, but she’s always conveniently depowered so guts can swoop in and protect her. and that’s not even mentioning yk the sexual assault. like they are both so diminished as characters when they’re interacting as love interests, it’s the worst.

madchen
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someone keep men away from casca
like i know hes a gruff guy but this
isnt sweet or romantic its weird and their whole relationship was
pathetic

mood

but honestly tho guts isn’t even a gruff asshole in general (during the golden age b4 he went black swordsman), just mainly with casca.

like not to be so obviously on my gay shit but his interactions with griffith are always respectful, tender, protective, thoughtful, etc. I think he calls him an idiot twice, once while telling him to save his own life, once to diffuse tension in an attempt to reassure him. whereas even after he and casca bond he still belittles and insults her (remember when he went on a misogynist tirade about how women suck to ~inspire her~ to keep going on their trek back to the hawks and we were supposed to think it was sweet lmfao) and treats her as an accessory.

like to compare:

he finds griffith after being tortured for a year, weak, helpless, not at all what he was expecting, no longer the strong independant man guts respected, and he cries over him and cradles him and then goes on a rampage to rescue him. he deliberately takes pains to treat him the same as he used to, talks with him like nothing’s changed, and decides to forgo his “dream” to stay and take care of him.

he finds casca after she was traumatized into insanity, helpless, not at all the person he was expecting, no longer the strong independent woman guts respected, and he yells at her to snap out of it, forcefully grabs her twice after she flinched from his first attempt to touch her until she literally bites him to get away, terrifies her, then leaves her in a cave for two years.

(and this is a dude who has been raped and couldn’t stand to be touched for years afterwards, you’d think he’d have a bit of empathy, and yet)

save casca from men 2k18

madchen
replied to your post “i’m still waiting on that woe yk”

god please dont be a weak foreshadowing of neo griffiths birth

yeah like neogriffith hasn’t brought either of them woe, especially considering that he’s the catalyst that led to the whole boring journey of personal growth taking casca to elfhelm thing, so if it is it’s terrible foreshadowing

unless skull knight was referring to ngriff dumping guts and making him sad lol

madchen
replied to your post “Ever thought about the fact that the song “Frozen” by Within…”

in the tradition of everyone telling you about music and berserk the mountain goats whole album transcendental youth has many gutscore songs on it? see “amy aka spent gladiator” and “spent gladiator 2” theyre perfect pre the band of the hawk and post eclipse guts, respectively.

i’ve listened to a lot of their individual songs but never an album, ty i’ll have to sit down and check it out! And I did just listen to the two songs you mentioned and omg yeah they are extremely painfully Guts.

madchen
replied to your post “i wonder what it’s like to read neogriffith’s narrative thru the lens…”

these people just think that everything griffith is doing is all part of some evil master plan to end the world or ruin humanity or whatever even though hes never had any motivation of incentive to do such
that being said, it
definitely puts more of a stake in how they view guts fight lol? even if
they are ignoring literally everything else the story has told us and
rational common sense that a sudden reveal in the plot that griffith is
actually Evil (like. evil in the big bad villain way) would be
satisfying.

you mean wouldn’t be satisfying, right? bc yeah v true lol

it wouldn’t even be a reveal (we all saw the eclipse), it would just be a bizarre, tonally fucked up back and forth… weird thing. well, moreso than griffith’s narrative already is lol

like we get moments like this during the millenium falcon arc:

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it’s just not framed as a tense bad vibey moment w/ an evil dude manipulating a bunch of poor innocent people so he can get a kingdom, it’s framed as ‘lol fuck you noble assholes, griffith’s back and this time he’s getting his utopia, high five’

like do other people basically read a scene like this with sinister horror movie music playing in the background?

i mean i completely get if (general) you can’t ignore the eclipse rape in your perception of the story, but i feel like if you can’t do that, then your berserk is fundamentally at odds with miura’s berserk, since he has diligently ignored it throughout the entirety of neogriffith’s narrative, without a single fuck given for the kind of awkward tonal pall it casts over everything.

madchen
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im pretty sure kaworu is slightly drawn from ryos character! he appears in one episode in the of series and has spawned. so. many. copies in future anime like every other eva character.
now /puts on my
glasses/ evangelion is imho about reconciliation of supposedly
impossible opposites that in actuality have shallow difference we
conjure in our minds. kaworu is an “angel” which is evangelions
definition of the antithesis of humanity; he loves and accepts shinji
for who he is,openly and unabashedly- but he isnt “human”, so their
love/relationship was always doomed from the start. in the finale of the
episode he appears in (spoiler) he convinces shinji to kill him. and
thats it.

watch evangelion for the women/girls and the woman in the machine allegory robots essentially

i should stream evangelion at this point
lmaoo i think theres a ton of religious themes and christian imagery a
la devilman and the subconscious of humanity being evil in berserk = the
human instrumentality project in evangelion but the context is
different…. in the beginning of berserk were shown hell as a swirling
vortex of souls that are all without ego and inseparable from one
another; in evangelion humanitys collectivization of souls as end game
situation is presented favorably…

oh also the literal
quote from the end of evangelion “this fated destruction will lead to a
joyous rebirth” gives me berserk vibes.

wow yeah it does sound like, relevant to fans of berserk and devilman for sure

like ngl as someone p much into these things for That Gay Shit with yk themes and good storytelling as just a nice bonus idk if it would hook me, but I’m sure it’s a classic for a reason and I might give it a try at some point. lmk if you ever do host a stream, i’d probably check it out if i’m around!

madchen
replied to your post “like in canon griffith could only admit he loves guts after losing his…”

friends w benefits griffguts is so funny and also terrible lmao

@griff-guts said:
griff: me n guts are
friends w benefits but sometimes after sex he holds me and i fall asleep
in his arms and my chest feels really warm…. and when we don’t cuddle
after sex i get rly sad and hate myself….. but we’re just friends lol
it’s all just meaningless sex for fun!!!

i can’t think of a ship less able to handle it lmao, this is so real.

(and bc i’m still having Thoughts on potential terrible relationship outcomes lol: I feel like griffith would overcompensate and get rly cold and aloof which would terrify guts bc he needs affection and affirmation. like i can’t see griffith maintaining his canon level of regard for guts while adding sex to the mix it would be too Obvious and hard to deny how he really feels. and then guts would back off similarly which would freak griffith out and it would freak him out that he’s freaked out and it would just be off the charts self loathing all around)

madchen
replied to your post “Does griffith have albinism?I know that his eyes sometimes look…”

ive been trying to rationalize this in my mind for a while like okay for example my hair looks very blonde but my eyebrows and lashes are dark blonde and therefore look almost black THEREFORE griffiths fave situation might be realistic bc he is the only physical weirdo in berserk but then i remembered schierke has green hair i hate anime.

yeah while replying i was also like, is it realistic for a dude with platinum blond hair to not have super blond eyelashes/brows? but like, w/e it looks good and yeah lol it still makes more sense than schierke’s design.

madchen
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“i miss when griffith had sharp features and looked more masculine now…”

i think hes meant to look more feminine/pretty/awe inspiring now but you can just say miura exaggerates these features a lot now. like look at casca?

yeah it’s def true that everyone looks like… softer in a way i really dislike. a bunch of people have been pointing it out and it’s super true. tho tbf i think griffith has actually suffered from this the least, he looks the same amount of feminine to me lol. tbh my personal biggest problem with the fantasia art wrt griffith is that he looks half assed and generic now, like a collection of his “pretty” features thown together rather than yk, an interesting drawing of a person

but this is true of everyone, it’s like the backgrounds keep getting more and more detailed while the faces/expressions get more generic. or like… the features are detailed, like look at how he draws eyes in closeups, they just don’t come together in an interesting way anymore

madchen
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oh i like this take i briefly considered something in this direction but i didnt miura would have a sophisticated enough perspective to want to say that? idk. it was going thru my brains built in gender theories filter at the time so it seems more reasonable put this way ig

yeah this seems a little beyond miura ngl but idk, i’ll grasp at any and every straw for the sake of hope lol, and tbf we were reminded that she’s afraid of guts by danann just a few chapters ago so it’s not like miura has completely forgotten

GOD casca is obviously your edgy twist on miki except casca is “your type” can we just have them move the fuck on already 

devilman lady ending when

madchen
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oh im just banking on the ominous ruse awakening i think were in for no matter the context. but the romanticization was just weirdddd no matter what like i know its been a while but casca never really felt that way about guts pre eclipse either like. what.

to me it felt like either fanservice for the sole sake of subverting expectations, or miura buying into everything g*tsca shippers think without re-reading his own story first

and i’m definitely fearing it’s the latter what with the indication that she’s been wanting to see(/meet whatever the line is) guts this whole time while stuck in a dream, the teary look when his name is mentioned, the expectation of romance and casca immediately going along with it, etc.

like who is this and what have you done with casca

sure miura feminized her a lot when she started crushing on guts in the golden age but it was never this bad, and there has never been a true love vibe between them

so like yeah even if there is a twist it’s hard to explain away the characterization here

madchen
replied to your post “yk i think guts is supposed to seem chill and confident and generally…”

oh same they feel posturing to me but who knows what miura meant

this is the problem with berserk there are so many thing that cpuld be interpreted as valid through through a certain critical lens but its absolutely up in the air or no way it was deliberate on his part. casca reliance on men for her sense of self and integrity as a woman is a good example, but miura probably hust doesnt know that women can exist outside of men. lol.

yeah exactly. idk berserk is such a weird combination of Actually That Deep and just Miura being a shitty dude that it can be rly hard to figure out where to draw the line

Like with Guts’ behaviour, it would make sense if it was supposed to be seen as negative because, like, part of the point of Berserk is establishing that Guts swinging his sword by himself instead of being with people affects him negatively, but that’s just not the vibe I get from those moments lol. Your Casca example is perfect too, like her narrative would make more sense and fit the whole vibe of the pre-Eclipse sequence if latching onto Guts in place of Griffith was meant to be seen as a mistake, but yeah I don’t think that’s purposeful.

I’d love to believe Miura’s just subtle and it’s all purposeful, but lol nothing about how he writes women and men and women interacting makes me want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

madchen
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i was thinking in line of “swinging his sword is an u healthy coping mechanism and way to avoid confronting his true feelings and casca being called one here incites comparison to that, casca weaponizing herself aside”

yeah i think ultimately that’s what it is for the most part. even now, his journey to take casca to elfhelm and get her healed has had ominious forboding overtones and imo guts like… metaphorically chaining the beast up in his subconscious is reminiscent of avoiding his issues thru this side quest, rather than confronting and dealing with them.

like his rpg group is a positive influence and this is undoubtedly better than his black swordsman rampage, but like… he’s still closed off from them, still doesn’t talk about his past or only v dispassionately when questioned by warlocks lol, etc. saving casca (and sleeping with her way back when) isn’t so much helping him deal with his problems as it’s helping him avoid them.

just like telling casca about gambino and donovan was a positive thing and a step in the right direction, but not an instant fix.

madchen
replied to your post “i want to like, write a longish meta about how guts’ “dream” ie his…”

and yea swords have always represented male power to a phallic degree even pre freudian analysis framework (broken swords symbolize impotence on the flip side) but the visualzzzz in berserk especially in the golden age is good. like griffs sword breaking and then guts shattering later at the eclipse. or the uh unfortunate realization that guts symbolically “castrating griffith” is both metaphorical and probably literal foreshadowing to what happens to griff a few chapters later.

yeah v v true, and ngl along the same lines i have a few (less than positive) Thoughts on Guts holding a broken sword while Femto rapes Casca.

@griff-guts said: oh mannnnn there’s a lot to say about
the broken sword thing lmao i might write a post about it….. same with
guts and griff symbols being a hawk (or white bird in general lol) and a
dog because there’s a LOT of medieval shit to do with that too…..
anyway for the sword thing a sword being broken basically amounts to an
“oh shit” moment where the person loses all ability to control their
situation, and acts of desperation ensue. it has a lot to do with fate
and human control being

ultimately helpless up against fate.

ohhh man I’d love to read a whole post on this sometime! this all seems extremely in line with Berserk and lol I kind of regret never taking any literature classes more advanced than 101 in uni.

madchen
replied to your post “i want to like, write a longish meta about how guts’ “dream” ie his…”

oh i like this take i think its something ive and most readers have been aware of but no ones said it yet. brings another perspective to the “boy and an oversized sword” thing at the end of the gutsca chapter ouch.

ooh good point.

lol for a sec i was like, ‘uh oh wait does that mean miura was actually trying to say that a relationship with casca could replace guts’ emotional reliance on his sword?’ then i remembered the context of their relationship, the fact that casca becoming a sword for other people is a negative way of dealing with her own shit, the way guts emphatically does not start prioritizing casca over swinging his sword as we soon see when he shoos her away to fight wyald by himself, etc, and yeah.

the sword comparison overall feels more in line with saying a relationship casca is a form of emotional support, like swinging his sword, rather than better or more fulfilling than swinging his sword.

madchen
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i was thinking cry for judas by the mountain goats would also make just like a good general berserk amv

omg yeah what a perfect song choice. damn now i really want to see this, it’s like an overview of the golden age (and beyond tbh but we’re stuck with the golden age for amvs)

yea that was exactly what i was thinking too like. post eclipse guts is good but theres no good footage 

yeah it really sucks, i have so many good potential guts songs but they’d all require post eclipse footage. songs that just feel like golden age guts are hard to come by at least for me.

madchen
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i mean why not both but i was initially thinking griffith. itd be easier to do with just the ovas at least. i have to relisten now i guess!!!

pure griffith pov would probably be a lot easier now that i think about it, i feel like guts’ pov should incorporate dark post-eclipse fated-enemies stuff, which (imo) would be really fun with the upbeat tone of the song, but sadly, 2016/17 animation lol

@madchen hmmm

i also got 2 v similarly worded and themed messages (tho way longer) like a month ago that i ended up ignoring bc i was on vacation and by the time i had a chance to respond they were 2 weeks old and i didn’t gaf

so if it’s the same person they’re v persistent

madchen
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oh yea i assume the same bc of guts central role but also i think people are definitely unwilling to extend understanding towards griffith that isnt one dimensional…

yeah and it’s absolutely not only because Griffith’s narrative is shown in less intimate detail. people go out of their way to avoid sympathizing with him.

also. ot to tangent here but HOW do people work around that guts clearly
gave more of a fuck about griffith and saving him during the eclipse he
didnt even think once about casca until she showed up for the plot
trauma convenience. wow what an epic romance. 

i’m so baffled by it. it’s even weird in the manga, like, you’d think if miura hooked guts and casca up solely to make the eclipse more dramatic he would like, show that guts gives a shit and have him prioritize her at some point during the Eclipse before being literally forced to watch her suffer, and yet.

madchen
replied to your post “Guts is different from Griffith. Guts fights the beast in him every…”

“guts had a harder life than griffith” uuuuuuuuuu why cant people read lmfao

ikr

idk i think it boils down to the fact that we’re with Guts more, we see his traumas and hard times in detail, while we’re generally told about Griffith’s rather than shown, and with him we only see the after effects.

but like any way you slice it i feel like a year of constant torture and permanent loss of the use of your limbs and ability to speak is worse than Guts’ eclipse trauma, which largely revolves around stuff that happens to other people (dead friends, traumatized girlfriend). Yeah Guts lost a limb but he got a canon to replace it, and it’s his choice to go out and shoot monsters with that canon instead of taking Godo’s sage advice and chilling out with the friends he has left.

madchen
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i see people actually insist that like “nooo griffith made it clear it was the fetus making him feel stuff sweetie :)” and its just. i get the writing and irony or whatever behind thinking that but its sloppy and easy and not emotionally satisfying. or maybe it is for freaks who hate griffith idk.

i’ve seen people insist that griffith made it clear he doesn’t feel guilty lol, so many berserk fans have like negative reading comprehension

like with the fetus idk, maybe i could see an argument that it’s ironic? like lol griffith thought he’d escaped feelings but now something else’s feelings, which he’s responsible for creating during the eclipse, are fucking him over again, serves him right. maybe the idea of evil is punking him or smthn. but yeah it would still be sloppy, emotionally pointless writing lol.

tbh even if the fetus is only forcing him to save casca i feel like… it’s unnecessary. one of my major writing pet peeves is when you could explain something thru organic characterization and development you’ve already established, and instead you decide to explain it through artificial means like magic/brainwashing/physical changes to their mind/whatever.

if neogriffith’s blood is unfrozen, well, we don’t know what that means exactly, but one thing it could mean is that he’s reverting back to human griffith in mind. because he’s on another plane of godlike awareness he’s never going to be entirely human griffith again, but if miura tells me that human griffith’s emotions are unfrozen or w/e then I would absolutely believe it would fuck him up and make him do irrational things without thinking, like save casca from rocks. and i’d believe that griffith would deny it to himself and continue acting cold and aloof, bc lol it’s griffith, now re-dedicated to his dream with godlike powers and memories of being a monster and choosing to sacrifice everyone he loves, obviously he’s going to deny and repress whatever he’s feeling.

you don’t need the additional step of magic baby possession to justify it, it just takes away from all that excellent character work we already have.

like ok i’ll take the baby possession when it comes to his reaction to casca if it ends up being true, fine, but i absolutely refuse when it comes to his feelings for guts. that just crosses a line.