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do you have any… griffguts pillow talk ideas… i think griff likes listening to guts talk(i keep sending you questions im sowwee but your scholarly opinions matter)

lol now this… i have absolutely nothing. what do people talk about? what do people in weird fantasy medieval times talk about? what do griffith and guts talk about when it’s not plot related? ??? ????????????

idk like, i could see them pretentiously philosphizing together but probably not right after sex. talking about their day? griffith maybe would, idt guts would. idt guts is that small-talk-y. he can go on for sure, but it’s mainly self-reflection and philosophical stuff. (then again he has done that after sex in canon, so)

but like ignoring the question of conversation topics, i def think griffith would like listening to guts talk, and vice versa. i could see griffith asking guts questions to try to get him to talk about something he’s interested in. and guts would be happy to listen to griffith talking about… idk whatever. serious topics, self-reflective ones, or what kind of tea he had that day with which asshole nobleman he had to humour, or whatever.

do you have any ideas about what they’d casually chat about?

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u do good work

also @prettykitten123 oh yeah that was the name of that one dj artist, i knew it started with a b lol. + man it would be nice if there was more griffguts content in general ngl.

madchen
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i have more thoughts but i agree to all u said i think griffith would have a hard time getting into the physical sensation of it at first especially bc his whole focus is on making sure guts feels good. also yea guts asks for it idk why but yea he totally would want griffith to top him after a while

ty glad you agree. and yeah i feel like griffith would have that perfectionist thing going on during sex if he was in control. Well, with someone who he cared about at least.

do you have… any griffith topping for the first time/in general thoughts asia?

it would definitely be a big relationship milestone.

guts would be the one to ask for it. griffith… hm idk whether he’d be outwardly reluctant, but i think he would definitely be trepidatious, like, i think he’d be irrationally terrified of triggering guts, especially while topping him, even if guts reassures him that even if he freaks out it’s be nbd in the grand scheme of things and they can just try again another time.

i’m assuming that like canon guts has already been triggered during sex at least once and therefore they know it’s a possibility.

so griffith would be super slow and careful and pull out all the stops to make it as good as possible, setting the mood, making out/foreplay beforehand, mb rimming, blowing him while slowly fingering him, etc.

and I think Guts would love that btw, he might roll his eyes and tell Griffith to hurry up but he would be so into being slowly and thoroughly made love to. all griffith’s focus and energy being directed at him. he wouldn’t be v responsive though lol, i could see griffith asking for reassurance 50 times and guts like, ‘yes it’s great, you’re amazing, get on with it’ because I just don’t see guts as all that vocal in bed.

also i like to think that it goes perfectly fine, at least the first time. i don’t think one flashback and pouring his heart out once would actually fix guts’ childhood trauma lol, i’m sure he’ll be triggered more than once in his life, but ptsd flashbacks aren’t exactly super predictable afaik and i mean it would just be nice if guts enjoyed his first time bottoming.

and then afterwards griffith would just be super blown away by guts trusting him enough to ask him to fuck him, and tbh i think it would be a bigger deal to griffith than guts, like it wouldn’t be meaningless or anything to guts, but i think he’d downplay it a bit.

a few years down the line they start occasionally playing rock paper scissors to decide who has to top lol. though overall i think guts would still top more often, less because of trauma and more because i just hc him w/ more verse tendencies than griffith.

ETA and I just noticed you also asked in general not just first time, so I also want to add that I think Griffith wouldn’t be super into topping. He’d be into Guts wanting him, but along w/ my sub Griffith hcs I think that he’d prefer to lay back and experience rather than create the experience for Guts, yk? he’d find topping stressful. otoh I think he would absolutely do it if Guts wanted it and he wouldn’t really think of it like that to himself, he wouldn’t think of topping as something that stresses him out and makes him overthink lol, he’d just put too much effort into it and wouldn’t really be able to relax and enjoy the experience.

Like I can see where top and/or powerbottom Griffith comes from, and I could def see Griffith taking charge during sex (particularly power bottoming, esp when they first get together. Griff on top, riding Guts, controlling the pace and initiating things, etc), I think he’d be p good at it too, but I don’t think he’d prefer it, basically.

hbu, what are your Thoughts?

madchen
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i need to write or say something more about how casca is always the symbol/connection between guts and griffith (bc she is a woman etc) bc i feel like its generally ignored and dismissed for bad men do bad things or whatever.

lmao one time i wrote 5k words on this topic and i still feel like it only scratched the surface, like it seriously feels like every single moment of casca’s screen time that involves romantic feelings is suggestive of this. and you should def write something about it if u feel inspired because I want to know other ppl’s opinions, it really is one of those things that isn’t really talked about much. maybe because it gets so fucked up and it’s so unfair to casca and lbr it’s a fairly depressing and dark subject.

plus yk it kinda kills the central het ship

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i think berserk is walking that “revenge will destroy you” route and im not against a kind of emotional catharsis here but that would ideally be between guts and griffith and like that kind of reconciliation (given thats the angle were taking here) would leave an awful taste in my mouth bc of the eclipse rape lol.

tbh this is why i hope berserk isn’t so much going for a ‘revenge is bad and futile’ thing as it’s going for a ‘guts getting revenge in this particular case is bad and futile because it’s not his right to get revenge for the eclipse and also he wants revenge for the wrong reasons, ie bc it’s an easy outlet for his very complex feelings, but casca’s the hawk representative who never abandoned the band and also the person who suffered most so she’s the one who should get revenge.’

kind of suggested in part here at least:

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and yea youre right about the
railroading thing ughhgh that really gets me (im a broken record but it
reminds me of vriska and like that shit gets me). it feels pretty hallow
when you have to acknowledge this in the context of the whole story
especially bc griffiths helplessness to the waters of fate and destiny
isnt emphasized as overtly tragic as it really is. which is a valid
storytelling choice ic it just, again, gets me.
also femto is the consequence of guts actions and its clearly framed that way idk what people get out of insisting otherwise.

yeah i feel you, griffith’s narrative is so sad to me, but a lot of what’s tragic about it isn’t in your face.

and yeah it’s like, you can say guts didn’t deserve to experience the eclipse, which is obviously true bc v few people deserve that shit, and def not for making a mistake based on low self esteem lol, but narratively it’s the consequence of his actions bc berserk is a very dark story. guts is the main character who actively made a choice which set all the tragedy dominos falling. it’s even ironically fitting – his choice to “abandon” the hawks and griffith resulted in losing everyone permanently.

like i think ppl equate saying the eclipse/femto/griffith’s breakdown/etc is a consequence of guts’ actions to saying either a) guts deserved to suffer and/or b) if this happened in real life it would be right to blame guts for everything lol, neither of which are statements that necessarily follow the first one, and are clearly untrue. but fiction operates by different rules than reality.

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omg i love all this ive been busy tonight w work and i have to get up early so ill respond better tomorrow but the war lord/captive role play is so true and good and the added touch of it contradicting his dream is yea… it isnt dubcon rp as much as guts flaunts his power over griffith and both griffith and his warlordsona are eyelash batting hoes tbqh and i love him

lol yeah p much exactly the vibe i was thinking, like part of the appeal of the fantasy to griffith would be that fantasy!griffith is Into It.

and awesome i’m looking forward 2 more of your thoughts and hope you have a good evening and morning w/ work and whatever else 🙂

aight… hopefully ill stop bugging you after this but like in any established relationship like canon or modern HOW do you think griffguts actually initiates sissy bdsm au like do they talk about it is it the culmination of spontaneous decisions or?

lol i appreciate u bugging me bc i need excuses to talk about this kinda thing

ummmmm good question tho lmao

I’m going to throw out some ideas for a canon au concept, bc I feel like I’m on more solid ground there, like the way my brain works I can’t rly conceptualize modern au griffguts unless I intricately map out like the whole world they’re inhabiting, backstories, how everyone fits in, etc lol.

So like, canon au where Guts assassinated Julius without a hitch, never heard the Promrose Hall speech, and inevitably hooked up with Griffith bc lbr here if he never heard that speech there’s no way in hell they’re not getting together at some point. You can like take it as read as far as I’m concerned ngl. And
I think it’s better or at least easier if it starts in an established relationship, just bc I
think griffguts trying to start out kinky would be disastrous lol. they
need to have sorted thru some shit together first.

1. tried and true sparring turns into more cliche. they get really into it one day, end up losing their swords and rolling around in the grass until guts pins griffith down, and griffith or both of them are like, ok this is a thing. next time they fuck griffith starts working on trying to get guts to do it again. and thinking about it as an extention of sparring might actually make it easier and more fun for guts tbh.

2. once griffith gets comfortable with being in a relationship with guts, starts letting himself fantasize about him, etc, he’d start to focus on how big and strong guts is, how good in battle he is, and things would just escalate from there. Then he’d start suggesting stuff in bed like guts holding him down and trying to get guts into it.

(also: griffith falling into a guts-as-an-opposing-warlord-who-defeats-him-in-battle-and-takes-him-prisoner fantasy. js js.)

(actually that would probably disturb griffith afterwards since he’d be getting off to a fantasy of his dream being taken away. but yk, that only makes it better and more interesting so)

3. he could read about bondage or w/e in one of his many educational books lmao and go ‘ohhhh yeah i want that.’

4. curveball: guts starts it by being kind of a cocky brat in bed, jerking griffith off slowly to make him squirm, ignoring griffith when he tells him to get on with it already, pushing his hands away when he tries to do it himself, etc. griffith realizes he’s actually really into guts flaunting power over him.

Tho in every scenario I think it’s probably more likely that Griffith just tries to encourage Guts to exert some physical power over him in bed, at least at first, rather than having an actual mature talk about what they both want lol. Less, “hey Guts I have this idea, how would you feel about it?” and more “hey so I happen to have this rope under my pillow”

and then Guts would actually initiate the mature conversation about it lol, because Guts is just way better at talking about feelings.

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i think the /only/ thing the fetus has that could be considered strong narrative coherence would be the irony of the “product” of the evil that femto did coming back to bite neogriffith in the the ass lol. but that doesnt sit well with me for a million obvious reasons + i dont get the vibe that berserk is that kind of revenge story. like you said the emotional resonance would be absent; itd fir the demise of like a comic book super villain more than anything.

completely agree, and lmao it does feel like, campy and convoluted in a comic book way

and ok i could still see miura going for it if casca’s the one who gets revenge. like fine, make the fetus his weakness against her that gives her the chance to kill him (tho i’ve said it b4 and i’ll say it again, casca swooping in to kill him while he’s crying over guts’ corpse would be way better).

idk i do think it would be cheap and a matter of prioritizing plot convenience over emotion, but i could see it happening and at least w/ casca’s story the irony is v direct. if the fetus is affecting him wrt guts tho? narratively nonsensical.

madchen
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wow upset about repressed gay canon griffith now
but like i just am
very sure that the idea of being restrained while guts jerks him off or
blows him or whatever turns him on hes like been Into and Fascinated
with the heady thrill of being “defeated” or dominated by guts since
their sword duel turned into a fist fight

oh man you’re so right, it’s all there in the manga. also haven’t you talked about like… not quite fighting for dominance but like pseudo roleplaying where guts has to force him into submission a while ago? bc tbh that rly fits.

like bondage is v v good but guts physically holding him down might be even better.

also shit like ignore this bc it’s totally beside the main subject, but now i’m thinking about neogriffith and beast of darkness guts. like i mean it’s hard not to apply this to the epic enemy ship versions of them, one of whom pretends he doesn’t gaf but is seriously emotionally affected no matter how much he denies it, and one of whom loses himself to base urges periodically in high emotion and then comes back to himself and has to deal with the consequences, yk?

idk why i’m cutting this now but idk it’s an ongoing discussion that mb not everyone is into so it seems polite or smthn lol. more bdsm griffguts stuff

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like i think griffith would just flat out have mixed feelings and shame about losing control/falling into sub space or whatever and like imho i think its realistic to work there slowly bc if hed be comfortable with anyone it would be guts?

yeah and it being another thing that Only Guts gets to see is another reason it’s so good imo

also like griffith would be so gung ho about guts tying him up right away. hed be so into it you dont need to ask twice.

yk what yeah i can see this. it would be a good starting point too, i could see even canon griffith suggesting it himself. well like, some versions of canon griffith lol. i think he could range anywhere from being relatively open wrt sex to being super repressed and unable to even recognize what turns him on, but yk, the former is better for stuff like this.

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*rubs my eyes* i want to write something but i already have like ten other things to write aaaaaa also if i ever did id want it to be a series that would. build up to less awkwardness and ease into being comfortable showing vulnerability wrt griffith… also i love modern au obviously which i always feel like is a bit of a cop out but itd take soooo much more time to work with this in canon au….

if u ever did i’d be so there

and yeah like i think modern au is great bc you can just cut out all the shit that gets in the way of everything in canon while keeping true to the core of the characters.

i guess there’s something extra satisfying about more directly canon griffguts stuff (or yk like, a canon au where only one thing is different, eg guts never overhearing griffith’s friendship speech or w/e, bc obviously in actual canon it’s all irreparably fucked) but yeah you have to spend way more time getting them anywhere and a lot of the time it’s probably not worth it.

more thoughts on sweet/light bdsm griffguts… hard agree with nev thatd griffith would like being blindfolded too especially the sensory deprivation and also like guts covering up his eyes which are his thing and remained unblemished even after being tortured for a year wow the symbolism. also i think a lot of their sessions would be spent doing more non sexual things before eventually building up to sex, especially if griffith is really wound up. guts still tells him what to do-

and holds some sort of power or control over him. like i could see guts
blindfolding him and making him rest his head on guts thigh and be very
still and not squirm to like “cool down” from whatever funk he was in
while guts strokes his hair and massages his scalp. when he ties his
arms behind his back he spends a lot of time kissing griffs neck and
relishing in the little hitched intakes of breath griffith takes bc hes
still blindfolded and doesnt know where guts is gonna touch him next.
yea.

Yk I was kind of wondering about things like little inconsequential but easy to follow orders (like hold still, or say keeping his hands behind his back, or smthn), and I couldn’t decide whether it would work or not, I think you could go either way. Like on the one hand Griffith is very tightly wound and self-controlled and I feel like being able to lose control and react in a more animalistic way would really suit him, esp Guts seeing him like that and loving it, but then I could also see exerting self-control in situations that don’t matter would like, feel reassuring in a way? Idk I probably prefer the former but the latter is also appealing in its own way.

But also yessss to the blindfold thing. Idek why but the idea of Griffith not able to do anything but wait in anticipation for a touch is so good. I could see that almost pushing his limits actually – like if Guts was too quiet or waited too long without touching him he’d start to freak out about being left alone. I could see Guts being really into it – like Griffith can’t look at him, but every ounce of attention is still focused on him, even moreso bc he can’t see him.

Also can I just say while we’re on this topic, and ok this is kind of a 180 into heavier kink but w/e it’s very fitting in Berserk in particular and it’s still sweet imo lol – scarification. Like yeah I mentioned Guts wouldn’t be willing to hurt Griffith, but I could so see Griffith wanting some kind of permanent symbol of Guts’ intent to keep him, and scars and wounds are such sexual things in this manga lol. Once they were both relatively secure in their relationship or w/e, like after several years lol. Something always on him, like proof that even as a king or a husband or wtfever that first and foremost he’s Guts’, that he would occasionally absently trace over his clothes during important meetings and kingdom-running lol.

And anyway Guts already has a scar from that time Griffith stabbed him, so it would be kind of mutual too.

I feel like there’d need to be a ton of set-up for that lol, but yk assuming this is a happy AU where he somehow realized Guts > dream without being tortured for a year first.

please extrapolate on griffith being a sub and why lmao?

lmao yeah ok i’m in the mood for this

so like, tbh I actually think griffguts would be p vanilla in general, and that post was kind of a joke about how thrilled Griffith was to cede control of his life over to god/fate. BUT if he was into bdsm he would definitely be a sub and not a dom imo

yk some ppl like being responsible for other ppl, like giving orders, like
being in control, so they work to be in that position of power in their
personal and professional lives, but Griffith is def not one of them lol. for Griffith, being in control is a necessary requirement of his dream, and it’s p much canon that he wants a reprieve from it.

so if god is the one who ends up taking the reins in the tragic version of
berserk, in the happy version then obviously Guts is the one who gives Griffith a break from responsibility every night and adds some balance
to his life.

also to maintain this pretentious not-actually-meta take lmao, Griffith’s narrative is basically about wanting to be absolved from
his feelings of guilt. the tragedy of his narrative is that he could’ve
had that through a relationship with Guts, through Guts telling him he
isn’t cruel, through Guts seeing all the things he hates about himself
and loving him anyway, but instead he got it through fate claiming
control over his life and god telling him he’s the chosen one whose
whole existence was dictated since before he was even born.

so i’m js, Griffith relinquishing control to Guts some nights + praise kink = ~thematically resonant~ sex lol

but like to actually go at this from a real character standpoint, imo Griffith’s got way too many self loathing issues to want to hurt/dominate anyone
when he doesn’t have to, and again like, having power is a burden to him. if he
had to dom it would be a chore with a lot of potential to backfire and
add to his self loathing, x1000 if it was someone he loved, ie, Guts.
like, it’s just canon that he doesn’t want to order Guts around lol.

And he’s insecure about whether Guts sees him as cruel, he wants Guts to want him rather than keeping Guts by force, etc, so I think even just consensually domming Guts would light his self loathing up bc it would be like a reenactment of what he fears/hates about himself. Whereas subbing to Guts (w/ the right atmosphere ofc, ie full of praise and tenderness, not like, sadism and degredation) would reassure him that Guts wants him.

To be more detailed, I
think in particular he’d like being tied up and knowing he couldn’t
escape – so struggling and testing his restraints. that visceral feeling
of control being taken away would be good for getting him in the
right head space. Knowing he’s not in control, that he’s ceded control
to someone else for a while, would be a huge part of what he likes about
it.

(I mean considering how extreme Griffith’s issues w/ guilt and responsibility are I think it’s maybe a little silly to think bondage would be theraputically relaxing for him lol, but yk, it still ~feels right~)

And again, praise kink man. Lots of “you’re so good”s and “I
love you like this” etc. Not so much with a focus on looks, but more
just existing? And letting Guts see him so vulnerable and open, and being praised for it, etc.

I
could see him being into pain. Not like as a punishment thing, but as a
way of grounding himself in the physical and distracting himself from
his thoughts by focusing on something. Imo that’s why he self harms. But
I don’t think it would really be like, a healthy thing lol, considering
his self-harming behaviour, and I don’t think Guts would be willing to hurt him
anyway. Instead he’d rather try to overwhelm Griffith with pleasure to drown out his
thoughts. orgasm control and edging, anyone?

Specifically with Guts, he’d be really, really into
being manhandled and rough, fast, desperate sex. The sense that Guts
can’t help but fuck him because he wants him so much. Unfortunately for Griffith, Guts would absolutely not be able to do that lol. At least not for a long time.

Actually
to focus on Guts for a bit, I think he’d be kind of a terrible dom.
Like, i’m ngl, at its core I feel like griffguts is bottom4bottom,
sub4sub lmao, but then there’s like a million mitigating factors, like trauma, and canon shifting power dynamics – like eg if Guts has heard the
promrose hall speech, he would never in a million years sub to Griffith,
while if he hasn’t he’d be more than happy to be ordered to suck his
dick or w/e.

buuut I think if we’re going the bdsm route then
overall Guts would be more comfortable domming than Griffith would be,
and Griffith would want to sub more than Guts would, so there you go.

What
Guts would be into, wrt domming Griffith, would be praising him, would
be feeling powerful, would be knowing Griffith trusts him, and would be
knowing Griffith well enough to be able to drive him wild without being
told what to do lol. And ofc the whole power exchange thing with Griffith being a leader/king/whatever in day to day life but Guts knowing Griffith lets him take control when they’re alone would really satisfy Guts on that deep level where he wants Griffith’s attention/regard imo.

Also imo Guts is more service top if anything,
so it would take a while for him to get to the point where he feels
confident in doing things to Griffith without Griffith’s input and Griffith assuring him he’s into it,  but he’d get there eventually. Which would be important bc if Griffith was telling him what to do the whole time he was tied up it would defeat the purpose.

Ok I think this response is long enough lol.

okay heres another sorta creative ish question because you have good ideas and thoughts and must realize this. i was crying abt how much guts love griffiths broad shoulders and slim hips —-> contemplating guts being closeted gay and the physical attraction he experiences like do you pick up what im putting down bc im interested in your thoughts and opinions on it. its like i want to write but i need to bounce it ofd people first. anyway.

ty i appreciate the encouragement ❤

like guts particularly loving griffith’s more masculine features and maybe angsting about it? bc yeah that sounds like, good and interesting and well-rounded, as opposed to shit like “it’s ok for him to be attracted to griffith because he looks like a girl/griffith as the one exception to guts’ heterosexuality.” Which is not to say that wouldn’t also be interesting, but yk, as an examined part of Guts’ internalized homophobia, not played straight like a lot of ppl tend to do (not so much in griffguts fandom that I’ve seen, I just mean as a gay fic trope in general).

actually the whole general idea of exploring griffith’s androgyny and how guts relates to that wrt internalized homophobia sounds rly potentially interesting. Dealing with recognizing that he’s not just attracted to his long curly hair and full lips, but also his masculinity, and what that means to Guts as a closeted dude who may be still in denial over his sexuality.

(which is not to say that a dude being attracted to a dude’s feminine features isn’t still gay attraction, but i mean from guts’ un-nuanced pov ofc)

I hope this is what you meant lol.

madchen
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oh my god mood… the people who actually say that were misogynist for not liking her being put in a dress are on a whole other level of galaxy brain

but have you considered… that it is you who are misogynist for denying this made up fictional construct’s right to freely choose to wear a dress (that someone else magicked her into as she protested)

madchen
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guts gets so deep sometimes and i love it bc its usually only in reference to griffith and it exposes how thoughtful he really is…. in some of their conversations guts does most of the talking and griffith just listens enraptured bc he loves guts sm
bonus if guts eventually reaches out while talking to tuck a loose strand of hair behind griffs ear… dare i say uh gay?

it’s so true. guts is actually really self-reflective for like… a manly dude protag imo lol, he contemplates his emotions a lot, and pretty much always wrt griffith. like that monologue to judeau and corkus about how dazzling he is? guts having second thoughts after leaving griffith and wondering if he’s leaving something irreplacable behind? guts dedicating his sword to him on that rooftop? 15 yr old guts thinking about how ridic it is for griffith to try getting his own kingdom but deciding that ‘for now…’? guts having an existential crisis during the 100 man fight? the campfire of dreams convo? etc etc etc.

i’m trying to think of examples where he’s sitting around sorting thru his feelings and griffith isn’t involved. and my memory for moments that don’t relate to griffith is admittedly bad, but i can hardly think of anything. maybe some of his cynical religious commentary during the conviction arc. he’s got a few about casca, eg montage monologue about how hard it’s been to travel with her, thinking about how “this shell of who you used to be” reminds him of the good old days, thinking it’s better for farnese to “save” her because guts would only hurt her… but griffith tends to pop up in most of his contemplative moments, including the casca related ones.

also yes. guts gently tucking a strand of hair behind griffith’s ear = high tier content. actually can i just take a sec and be like

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this could’ve happened if the king hadn’t interrupted their moment. they got the romantic breeze blowing and everything.

madchen
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no these are really good!!! i think itd take forced/necessary contact and intimacy for guts to realize his feelings ™ and yes hard agree to wanting to feel protected and reciprocate that feeling.
i like to think once he realizes this in
a better situation hed want to be alone with griffith more and like.
insist griffith come walk with him away from everyone else or something
and is really gruff about why when griffith asks and all bc hes too shy
to admit that he just wanted to spend time alone with him… fucked up.
they sit at the edge of a lake and hold hands and griff puts his head on
guts shoulder.

ty! and yess this is so good and sweet.

tbh in any kind of Guts didn’t hear the Promrose Hall speech AU I could see this.

also this kind of makes me wonder how much time they do spend alone together in those 3 years, bc i could see it being a lot tbh. they’re always going off on their own during important moments – from the first duel where griffith took him out to a scenic hill and made sure no one would interfere, to the waterfight, guts trying to visit griffith while he’s recovering, the staircase zodd convo, that flashback we see during the black swordsman arc where griffith says guts is the first person he’s ever spoken to like this, tombstone of flame’s vulnerable conversation, guts ‘it’s just the two of us’ in the wagon when he tries to get griffith to take off the mask… they just seem really comfortable being alone together.

and i could just see them sitting somewhere like, watching a sunset, hands held, head on shoulder, or having a philosophical yet romantic conversation while watching the stars, or w/e

what do u think is canon guts deep repressed gay fantasy for romantic first date w griffith 🧐 guts is a take it slow kind of guy i think hed die irl if he got to hold griffiths hand while they were walking.

ajd;fsk;ej;ekd i’m so bad at creative thinking lol. but honestly this is a Good topic, I’ll give it a shot.

so ok ummm guts is Into the idea of being with someone he can fight alongside, and i personally think that he’s got a real Thing for being rescued/taken care of/basically given attention and proof that he’s loved. And he’d want to reciprocate in return. (”For your sake, huh? For now… I’ll wield my sword… for his sake.”)

So like, a scenario where he fell off the cliff with Griffith instead of Casca and then they fight the 100 men together, back to back, then basically collapse on each other when it’s over. an excuse for bros to cuddle. and then one kisses the other and guts opens his eyes and realizes he’s hard and has some things to work out for himself.

or maybe a bandaging each others wounds after a fight scenario that gets rly physically intimate.

ty for asking this was fun to think about! if you have Thoughts as well I’m also v interested. also yeah i def see guts wanting to take things v slow once he figures out what he actually wants lol.