lmao yk how last time I said Griffith’s hair was basically the main focus of Guts’ first impression of him? Same is true of Guts’ strength for Griffith.
so yk this is like the perfect complement to that ask.
Griffith can say it’s “interesting” and makes Guts “a valuable soldier” all he wants but l b r here there’s a reason Guts is the first person Griffith has ever said something like this to
and it’s not because Guts is a good soldier.
This is the face of a dude who has spent a lot of time “fondly reminiscing” about that fight.
also
and of course, the piece de resistance
Also like we’ve talked about this a bit when we were talking about kinky headcanons but Griffith is definitely super into the fact that Guts is stronger than him. There’s that Griffith kinking on the idea of being held down bc of the whole relinquishing control thing aspect, and I think there’s also a Guts as protector aspect?
Like yk Griffith can take care of himself, but it’s better with someone you can trust at your side, that’s both one of the major points of Berserk and Griffith and Guts’ relationship specifically. So I think there’s an endearing aspect of Griffith appreciating Guts’ strength because he trusts him w/ it. And you see that in canon w/ yk Griffith asking him to assassinate people and moments like Guts not letting any of Gennon’s men through to Griffith during the Battle of Doldrey, but it also fits so neatly into a potential sexual relationship lol.
Like admiring Guts’ strength goes hand in hand with appreciating how Guts like, cares for him and uses it to help him and in his defense etc, and idk it’s got a sweet sort of bodyguard dynamic feel to it? Anyway the point is Griffith would be into Guts demonstrating his strength during sex in non-kinky ways too, like holding him up and fucking him against a wall.
Also they arm wrestle once while drinking at a tavern or smthn, Guts wins, and they both awkwardly get hard.
You made a straw-man of my comment, and argued against it. Homophobia is quite rare and I doubt Berserk would fall in popularity if Guts and Griffith end up becoming a pair. Do I think they love each other? Sure, in a platonic way. Intimately, but nothing they’ve done with each other seems like whats Guts did with Casca.
“Homophobia is quite rare” ok we’re pretty much done then I think bc we’re clearly not going to agree if our understandings of the world are that wildly incompatible.
And again like, I don’t really care what your personal interpretation of Griffith and Guts’ relationship is, if you’re following me I assume you’re not totally against romantic interpretations of their relationship bc I state clearly what I’m about and talk about it all the time, and I’m happy to have people with differing opinions around, but if you’re looking to argue about their relationship then please find somewhere else to do it. I’ve made my case many many times and I’m not interested in trying to convince anyone. If you want to be convinced, well, I have several meta posts on the subject, linked in my sidebar. Enjoy.
how was that a straw
manning of your argument you literally say that intimacy and friendship
is scorned between men if theyre not lovers which is absolutely false
lmfao… and that scorn is literally homophobia, like its not an imaginary
root of oppression that gays are imagining. also casca/guts
pfffbbbfffbbfff moot point who cares there are plenty of het romance
movies where the protagonist screws a side character while actually
being in love with their best friend.
Finally, I realize this is a response to madchen, but
Oh, I think you’re reading implications
into the Berserk manga. The most solid demonstration of a romantic,
non-platonic relationship was between Guts and Casca. Also, you seem to
be reading lines into my comments. If you won’t approach my comments
fairly, it’s best not to respond.
Everything I and madchen have said has been in direct and reasonable response to what you’ve said as far as I can tell. I’m not sure how you think your comments are being approached unfairly, or what kind of response you’d prefer.
Anyway again like, have your own opinions on Berserk, idc, ship g*tsca, don’t ship griffguts, whatever, but why come to a griffguts heavy blog, one of the main purposes of which is to read implications into the Berserk manga, just to comment that you don’t see it while also proclaiming that homophobia isn’t a big problem?
tbh luca might be one of the better written female characters too never mind that shes a sex worker. she gets a few monologues of her own which is more than i can say for casca.
anyway yea i dont
think its intentional and even if it is its full of many of the mistakes
that men make when depicting violence against women that idc
i always forget about luca lol but yeah she is actually a pretty well-rounded character considering her comparatively small amount of screentime and she gets to fill the role of smart philosophical character explaining the arc’s themes lol, which is kind of refreshing. ofc we still see her tiddies and get ridiculous campy fanservice from her, but i mean, that’s a woman in berserk for you. like jeez we even saw flora’s aged-down tits lmao.
@seisans said: i honestly feel like all the good
writing involving the female characters of berserk was like. purely
accidental. not that miura didn’t try to portray gutsca as a stupid
decision, he really did imo, but he also has no idea what women are like
and is just writing out of his ass. i firmly believe that
I know in my soul you and maddie are right but I’m trying to cling to every scrap of hope I can now that Casca’s mind is back and she could potentially like, do literally anything that isn’t either ‘get back together with guts’ or ‘maintain a tense relationship that could return to romance at some point in the future for the sake of a happy ending, thus filling me with dread for the remainder of berserk.’
@madchen said:
whenever i see people
gush about casca as like a strong female character its like… what the
fuck are yall talking about she literally is there to throw hysterical
fits and then gets fridged 😦
also you put into
words what is eternally frustrating to me abt casca ie miura is a pretty
decent writer when it comes to portraying human fault in his characters
so cascas writing comes off almost like a deliberate comment on her
places as a woman constantly bound to two men and being miserable and
directionless bc of it.
i mean miuras female characters in
general like dude… please i know its “””dark fantasy”” but not every
woman has to be under constant threat of depowering and rape or be frail
and helpless before she meets guts or w/e
and then our
“”powerful women”” are bland and matronly or sexualized femme fatales
snooze. this turned into a rant basically cascas writing is my kill
switch
yeeeep.
and yeah like agh that’s basically what i mean when i say her lack of independence is interesting to me in theory, like… i genuinely believe it could be intended as an actual flaw and commentary on misogyny, like I’m torn on that. bc Miura does use Casca to give us his hot takes on misogyny a lot, and it really, really feels to me like he wrote g*tsca as a highly flawed relationship on purpose, and ffs she’s compared to his sword right after they fuck, that cannot be intended as a good thing, right?
but his writing of Casca is just so genuinely bad and misogynist so often that it’s just as likely that he just plain sucks at writing a hetero romance that isn’t super sexist.
honestly it almost feels ridiculous to complain about the misogyny in berserk, because duh lmao, but sometimes I just get caught up in how frustrating it is, esp bc Miura is such a good writer in other ways. Like I’d say Farnese is the best written woman in Berserk and even she goes from sexy sadomasochist to caretaker with almost nothing in between, with a side of being into Guts the same way Casca was into Griffith.
ugggggh tumblr still refusing to show me like half my notifications so i missed these til now, sry.
@madchen said:
whenever casca starts
acting out i think of that ten year study that concluded women only
express rage at the incompetence of others and at injustice
not that its That Deep
like u said… alovelyburn said that miura starts “chickifying cascas
character” once he decides to make her a love interest and it shows.
suddenly she starts crying more often, is passing out from endometriosis
and her anger is explicitly regarded as womanly as opposed to just
at some point I want to write out a full “it could be that deep” style analysis of Casca’s role in the story wrt the intersection of misogyny and heteronormativity. Like, I swear to god there’s a bizarrely coherent reading there even though there’s no possible way it was intentional on Miura’s part lmao.
But yeah as far as reasonable interpretations go it’s just sad facts that Miura uses Casca as like, a shallow way to examine misogyny, in how yk her whole life revolves around sexual violence, while simultaneously writing her romance v misogynistically as well, and it’s awkward af.
Like yeah Casca definitely got more feminine when she became Guts’ love interest, like to the point where Guts reassuring her that she’s “womanly” enough is a prelude to sex (jfc) and every one of their positive encounters before up to then shows her being nuturing/”soft”: bandaging his wound at Promrose, needing to be rescued bc of her period, tending to Guts’ wounds with the elf dust (w/ Judeau commentating that she’s softer now), wearing a dress while Guts reassures her that she looks good in it, being rescued by Guts again, etc.
But also ngl I get the sense that she was kind of doomed from the start with Judeau’s “our Casca gave up being a woman” line while talking about how she’s the 2nd best swordsman in the Hawks.
Like Casca was sadly never going to be a good portrayal of gender non-conformity because her lack of femininity was framed as an unfortunate sacrifice and something that should be rectified as soon as we met her.
lmao ngl idk if i have any more thoughts on this beyond my “omg this is perf” *like* reaction to your posts on this subject.
though… actually I guess since you specified canonverse I’m suddenly rly taken by the idea of king Griffith spending the night with Guts and not wanting to leave in the morning, trying to draw it out and get laid again once or twice, and Guts being like “…don’t you have important shit to do?”
like anything w/ griffith getting his kingdom and then lowkey preferring spending time w/ guts to actually running it is like the epitome of griffguts to me lol
and I guess Guts is practical but given the choice between… idk training drills or whatever a raider captain does in peacetime and fucking griffith idt he’d protest too hard about doing the latter. his protests would be very token and he’d secretly melt at the thought that griffith is putting his Very Important Life on hold just to spend another 15 minutes blowing him or w/e.
lol this is basically just repeating what you’ve said with an added ‘but like if griffith was a king,’ sry
i have like, actual things to say but first i want to get my obligatory picspam out of the way lol
like there’s a reason his very first sight of griffith is a slow sexy letting his hair down moment
that comes first in his memory even when his association with griffith should be ‘the jerk who stabbed me’ not ‘the pretty guy with gorgeous hair that i’m imagining extra fanned out and sensuous’
and then there’s this
and don’t even get me started on how mesmerised he is by neogriffith’s hair
like sure it works as a visual contrast to femto to emphasize his lack of demonic appearance, but man
i mean there’s a panel of just his hair as like an abstract design as a lead in to the full pages of naked griffith, framed by guts’ awestruck expression
and guts’ memories of the big moment of course which exaggerate his hair even more
oh and like all of guts’ memories of human griffith that aren’t his back after the swordfight include his hair flowing in the wind
ANYWAY in addition to bombarding you with visuals bc I enjoy spamming panels from berserk, my take is that Guts totally eroticizes Griffith’s hair, whether consciously or unconsciously, and wouldn’t actually touch it, say, to casually brush something away, until their relationship turns sexual, because it feels off-limits to him bc of that erotic association.
but then he wouldn’t be able to get enough of gently brushing it behind his ear before going in for a kiss, or looking at it all splayed out and messy while he’s asleep, or mb eventually grabbing handfuls and using it to physically guide him during sex a bit, or even brushing it for him sometimes, though he’d probably be a little intimidated at first cause lbr he wouldn’t know the first thing to do with hair longer than an inch and a half. (also ik you don’t brush curly hair but griffith’s seems less curly and more wavy to me and therefore brushable? either way tho, guts helping w/ hair care is good. washing it for him too.)
also griffith and guts cuddling w/ guts just like gently scratching/massaging his head and playing with his hair.
I was also considering the idea of guts coming in his hair like, by accident, and getting awkwardly turned on even as he apologizes lol, but actually idk… it def wouldn’t work as a humiliation thing, and i feel like come marking as a d/s thing automatically has associations of humiliation, but then there’s also just the way bodily fluids are intimate. i could see guts being into it as like a physical sign of how close they are and more physically associating griffith’s hair with sex lol.
i like the idea of it as an accident during a blowjob that griffith laughs off and guts is awkward and a little turned on about, but mb not as a deliberate sexual activity, i think.
bad way for guts to figure out he really wants griffith to suck him off
i dont think its out
of the park to say griffith would assume his feminine looks make it
easier for guts to pretend hes a woman or something equally as crude,
like its self depreciating in the internalized homophobia way enough to
meet his standards. or just like any other slew of possibilities that
use his beauty as an excuse for gayness
hhhgh tine to be sad
about griffith online lads. i want a situation where guts freaks out and
says refuses and theres a whole hysterical conversation ending in guts
saying hell stay. cue introspective few day gap and griffith visits guts
in his quarters/tent or whatever at night and they have jilted awkward
conversation until griffith says “… would you /want/ me to suck you
off?” and guts doesnt stop him when he slowly kneels down between his
open legs etc etc
i want an excuse to write/talk about
porn with some angst and mixed feelings ig lmao. throw some alcohol in
there idgaf
oh man i’d read tf out of this
there’s like something weirdly compelling about a scenario where they upgrade their relationship to sexual but like, in a terrible way with both of them hating themselves, but then eventually gets better
idk like their lives revolve around each other, i could also see an ill advised sexual encounter not so much driving them apart bc nothing really can drive them apart – even when guts left it was all for the sake of his relationship w/ griffith, and even after the eclipse they’re both still obsessed with each other – as just being kind of toxic and miserable until they manage to work their issues out.
idk if what you’re describing would be that angsty, but either way the situation u describe, where guts decides to stay after griffith probably like reveals how vulnerable he is and how emotionally dependant on guts he is – more clearly than just falling into the snow in a daze, in a way guts can’t deny – and then they’re still drawn back to each other a few days later despite guts refusing the first sexual encounter, idk it yk just feels like a good illustration of the pull between them.
the implications of this make me sad but like its good in the content way
theres the assumption
that griffith knows that guts finds him physically/sexually attractive
(which gets worse when you tie in his feminine features and the
internalized homophobia) but the jump from him wanting guts to stay
around and offering his body just ends in static…
griffith drops 2 his knees and offers to suck guts off if he promises he wont leave just yet
it’s like, the combination of most plausible and most depressing way for them to turn/try to turn their relationship sexual
and i feel like guts would have to be the one who recognizes that griffith has fucked up attitudes towards sex bc i rly don’t think griffith is self aware enough to recognize that this is terrible lol, at least not without a serious wake-up call. but idk if guts has enough like… social awareness. it’s like griffith has the social awareness and guts has the self awareness and while in some circumstances that could work out really well, in this circumstance it’s the opposite of what they need.
agh this is such a disaster scenario. and like if griffith did offer then and there during a fraught moment as he’s freaked out about guts leaving, guts would absolutely be like ‘no what the fuck’ and griffith would then ofc take it as a rejection/condemnation.
but at least it might be enough to convince guts that griffith needs him a lot more than he believes? it’s a starting point at least.
also yeah the point about griffith knowing guts finds him attractive is so 😦 like we were talking a bit before about guts’ internalized homophobia + griffith’s femininity vs masculinity, but yeah it would be sad and interesting to explore how griffith feels about that too.
lmaoo im the same i like ships that are on “the friends to enemies to its complicated and cant be explained in a trope” sid so fluff is a relief. griffiths issues with sex and intimacy have me fucked beyond his rape i think crossing that line with guts would lead to a contradiction with his sex=transaction viewpoint
like i can see him
trying to seduce guts when they have a disagreement because some part of
him thinks that trading his body/objectifying himself (?) is a viable
option to get what he wants or come to a compromise. as opposed to an
thing he does with a person he loves because he loves him and he wants
to do it. guts of course freaks out which only makes griffith more
hysterical etc
aaaaaaaaa yeah this is so real and now i’m depressed. i tried to add something but i just ended up re-stating what you said lol.
but also this has me immediately thinking of an au w/ griffith learning that guts intends to leave in a situation less immediate than the canon one but still incredibly emotionally intense for him, and leaping to offering sex. especially if he learns, unlike canon, that guts wants to leave to be his friend/equal, and therefore doesn’t necessarily see it as a rejection, but as a problem that could be fixed by offering himself.
and of course griffith does want sex for its own sake, as an expression of love and intimacy and pleasure etc, but it just isn’t how he thinks of it or frames it to himself. when it comes to sex w/ guts the transaction concept is more like an excuse to experience something he wants but can’t really admit he wants due to a) trauma and/or b) the way it runs counter to his dream.
oh hard agree to all of this i dont have much to add atm… do you think their first real sexual encounter would significantly change things or subtly affect any of this? i think i remember you saying that them fucking would either bring them closer or push them apart aaannndddd i think about that a lot
i think they would both get incredibly clingy after they first have sex tbh, i could just see them the morning after having to go about their day doing mercenary or noble stuff or w/e just like, trailing after each other, practically staying within reach at all times even if they can’t like, actually hold hands. sneaking off to make out for a while every hour or two.
lol it’s funny, i’m all about dark angsty fucked up ships but when it comes to griffguts there’s something so appealing about a fluffy au where everything just works out and they get to be happy together.
but also yeah i think you could go a more dramatic angsty route where after frantic passionate sex griffith is flooded by the realization that guts is the number one most important thing in his life and it’s going to ruin everything, and he ends up like, thousand yard staring it fifteen minutes after sex, and pushes him away or says ‘don’t touch me’ when guts like, grabs his shoulder and asks ‘what’s wrong’
which would then really freak guts out and i could see that spiraling into a temporary disaster
also like wrt trauma idk why it never occurred to me before considering i think trauma 100% figures into both guts and griffith’s inability to deal w/ their feelings, but yeah now that u mention it i could totally see griffith feeling dirty and getting all self-loathing after enjoying sex with another man.
like the likeliest angsty scenarios are def guts having a flashback and freaking out, and/or griffith hating himself, and/or one or both feeling like they’re taking on the role of their own aggressor and victimizing the other because shit went badly – like w/ griffith’s only experience w/ same-sex desire being gennon, and sort-of canonically feeling like his own desire for guts is inherently predatory, and guts canonically comparing himself to donovan after killing adonis and during his sex flashback, i mean
that is a fraught emotional situation to introduce sex into
Yeah like, in canon they are surprisingly physical with each other. Or at least it surprises me on re-read how many of their significant relationship moments not just include but revolve around and specifically highlight physical touch.
Like from Griffith grabbing Guts’ face like he’s going to pull him into a kiss after defeating him in a physical fight to Griffith’s “if you touch me now…” moment of reality-breaking despair, touch is portrayed as a really significant component of their relationship.
Actually to get on my meta shit real quick, check out their first interactions. First Griffith shoving Casca at Guts, explicitly because she’s the only woman around and only a woman can cuddle naked with a dude (and damn if her first appearance doesn’t define her role in the story to a tee). Next, they duel with swords. Extensions of themselves, but not their actual physical bodies. Then they lose their swords and end up physically grappling with each other, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m wracking my brain and I’m pretty sure this is the only time we’ve ever seen either of them fight without weapons.
Which leads to this:
Their first meeting has the sense of an inevitable, physical pull between them imo, and that is a constant of their relationship.
And their mutual desire for physical contact can only be satisfied when they have the pretense of guys being dudes to fall back on lol. A fight, in this case. In other cases it’s saving each others’ lives, and supporting each other while injured mainly, and sometimes casual friendly touches, like Guts’ hand on Griffith’s shoulder which gains significance during Griffith’s torture chamber monologue.
When they don’t have that pretense available, when sex inevitably comes into the equation, that’s when Casca or Charlotte comes between them as outlets for those decidedly non platonic feelings, as The Designated Socially (and psychologically thanks to trauma) Acceptable Woman.
(I’d elaborate on that but like, I talk about Casca as an emotional and physical bridge between them a lot and have at least one giant thorough post about it. And Charlotte is just obvious. I figure we’re all on the same page here.)
Idk it’s not like they touch in every scene they’re in or anything, more that most of their intensely emotional and narratively significant scenes either involve touch in significant ways, or the very pointed absence of it (eg Guts reaching out towards Griffith as he transforms before pulling his hand away and turning to fight apostles. Or, yk, Griffith straight up thinking about Guts at the exact moment of penetration during the Charlotte sex scene, which I still can’t believe happened. Stuff like that lol).
So while I think them being physically drawn to each other and wanting to touch is v in character, and I can easily imagine them brushing shoulders, casually grabbing arms or w/e to get the others’ attention, back and shoulder pats, arm wrestling, play fighting, etc etc, and I think there’s plenty of indication that they probably find excuses to touch a lot, more importantly I think the narrative is telling us that physical touch is a significant aspect of their expression of feelings for each other regardless of how often they might actually get touchy feely.
ANYWAY i’m realizing that i have like fifty million things to say on this topic so I’m going to write more posts later. For now I’ll get into the headcanony stuff.
So basically I think that they absolutely would get v awkward and kind of shy about touch after acknowledging that their feelings are sexual. Suddenly they realize why they want to touch each other so much, they both have hangups about it even assuming they navigate the whole sexuality issue smoothly, and it would probably take a little while to adjust even if everything goes perfectly.
But I don’t think it would take very long, because the facts are that they really like being in physical contact with each other, and even if they got awkward for a while and second guessed things like shoulder pats or w/e a lot lol, they are ultimately used to touching and it’s pretty natural to them. It’s how they express their emotional closeness, and it would become even moreso once they accepted the sexual aspect of their feelings.
If this is in the canon universe I could see trying to keep their hands off each other being more of a problem lol. I feel like if they did get together, just about everyone would figure it out pretty quickly. They are absolutely the couple who sits in each others’ laps, leans against each other, casually wraps their arms around each other, etc, and it would be hard for them to refrain in general day to day interactions i m h o.
Also they’d be adorable as fuck.
Tho also for the sake of angst I could see things going much less than smoothly wrt the sexuality angle, particularly with Guts, and if one of them realized their feelings aren’t platonic first I could definitely see him physically withdrawing and specifically avoiding contact, whether it’s Guts or Griffith, though maybe especially if it’s Guts, and subtly making the other feel kind of neglected/rejected. But they’d get through that eventually.
ok modern au style because i can’t imagine either of them fussing over the other over a cold as mercenaries in the middle ages lol
griffith goes full doting husband, makes chicken soup, buys three kinds of cold medicine and the extra soft kleenex, and actively tries to catch his cold thru cuddling and making out so guts can either reciprocate or he can have a minor crisis over loving guts more than guts loves him.
guts has learned to dote on griffith too tho it’s not his first instinct, and he does it while rolling his eyes and calling him a giant baby. griffith doesn’t care if he makes him soup and tucks him into bed sardonically as long as he demonstrates that he’s willing to shower him with attention.
it eventually becomes a thing they can joke about.
OR
griffith refuses to acknowledge that he’s sick, and probably works even harder doing whatever modern au griffith does just to prove he can, and guts is like, here I made you chicken noodle soup, eat it, while griffith is like, i told you i’m not sick, and guts is like, eat it anyway, and griffith does while feeling very warm and fuzzy inside.
(this griffith would still drop everything and lavish guts with attention when he’s sick.)
depending on which aspects of griffith’s personality are more prominent in a hypothetical modern au lol.
i only care about griffiths mother tbh lol but alovelyburn has a good fic on a03 that details parts of Griffiths childhood/mother that i like as personal canon
i need to read the rest of her fic tbh, i think i’ve only read the painted stage
oh i agree with all of this griffith is a ball of anxiety about it imho. in my modern au they actually make up after a messy bad break up (the consequences of which are not even near the scale of dire as canon’s lmao) so i think griffith would always have that seed of doubt in the back of his head even when he tries his best to tell guts at least a little bit of what hes thinking now.
i think like guts would try and propose
first and have like the flowers and wine and candles and everything and
then griffith says “yes” before guts even has his first word out and
starts cry-laughing which obviously confuses guts until griffith pulls
the plain thick silver band out if his pocket that hes been carrying
around since like a few weeks after they got back together.
lol ngl i’m so into a modern au equivalent (tho yeah obviously not nearly as life/world destroying) of their canon breakup, i’d love to see your take on it someday
yesss i love this, it’s so sweet and perfect. and so fitting for guts to be the one to go for it first but then hey griffith has the ring on him at all times so he can reciprocate immediately. ugh i love them.
I could see either of them proposing tbh. I could see Guts saving up to buy something way too expensive and trying to plan the perfect grand gesture that Griffith would love. I mean this a dude who went on a knight errant quest to win Griffith’s favour basically, lol.
And I could see Griffith like, hmmmm, buying a ring and carrying it around for six months waiting for the perfect opportunity? I feel like he’d be pro-active enough to buy the ring and then second guess himself every time he thinks about proposing bc it has to be perfect to guarantee that Guts says yes, even tho nothing can possibly guarantee it.
And then finally he’d break and just pull it out one night while they’re sitting around watching a movie and eating leftovers.
Idk like, I can see Griffith being confident in their relationship, especially if unlike canon Guts has never abandoned him in a modern au lol, but idk I think there’d always be this seed of self-doubt and insecurity. like his confidence and total self-assurance is his way of covering that up, but something as high-stakes and outside of his control as proposing to the dude he loves would bring it out.
people assume that griffith saw guts as a tool or whatever tbh…i tend to lean towards the ignorance one but like self aware griffiths are valid to some extent i just feel like the first makes all his actions more romantic and im a glutton.
lol i should’ve phrased that as ‘what do most people who have even the tiniest understanding of griffith as a character think’
yeah i think even if he is aware that he’s in love by this point like, that’s still after a year of torture and lying in the dark thinking about his life and his choices lol, for me it’s hard to see him as aware of his feelings before this point at all. Like I think he could be, I could see an argument where he’s known he’s in love for three years and just steadfastly refuses to deal with it/compartmentalizes, but idk I like totally-disconnected-from-his-own-emotions-Griffith lol. Griffith like, buying his own con, portraying his distant leader/knight in shining armour image so well that he believes it himself, shocking himself by his own irrational actions wrt Guts, etc. ia it does seem more romantic that way too.
tho now i’m thinking about if griffith is still unaware that he’s in love – he knows he feels overwhelming things for guts but doesn’t associate that with romantic feelings – even up to and including the point where he sacrifices him, what if neogriffith is the one who makes that connection…?
@bthump omg that is sooo true! Even if Serpico were to hear the promrose hall speech he still would’ve stayed by Griffith’s side.
yeeeah v true. on the flipside tho idt he has enough spine/determination/intrigue for griffith to fall for him. they’d make for an interesting dynamic tho.
also @madchen lmao it wouldn’t work out anyway. they both want big brawny dudes lbr.
i actually always saw the last thing griffith remembers as a call back to the first bit we see of them together in the black swordsman arc (when griffith pulls the bodies off of guts) idk why now bc they both look older and i like this better.
i think it might be anyway, like not a return to that scene specifically bc they are def older, but it’s another scene where griffith seems to help a minorly injured guts after a battle. the first time we saw them together was a flashback, the last time is a flashback, the first time they were just starting to open up to each other, the last time they have their arms around each other just enjoying each others’ presences
yk as an illustration of their relationship it’s pretty apt especially as a compare/contrast to that very first scene, whether it’s intentional or not
Griffith definitely tries to prompt guts into talking more and more (he tacks on “and…?” to guts one word answers) bc he loves guts as a person and listening to him talk about anything even like… what he had for lunch today (evening quickies :/) or dirt or whatever. vice versa too like u said. i think its a lot of personal and seemingly meaningless stuff sometimes that feels very intimate. just like griffith commenting on his nail beds that he pick and raising his hand to guts face to show
griffith also likes to
spring shit on guts when hes feeling especially vulnerable and bold
post coital. nothing serious but “how do you think id look in a dress?”
or “have you played strip poker before?” or the dreaded “was that good
for you too?”
yesssss i love this! griffith just listening starry eyed to guts talking about the sandwich he had for lunch or w/e. and uggh while i’m so bad at thinking of examples i love the thought of them just talking about nothing in particular.
and the question thing is so weirdly perfect? like one part wanting to fill the silence afterwards, one part getting like, mild emotional security listening to guts talk about something afterwards, and one part just being freer w/ his words/thoughts after sex. idk i love it. ty!
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