Tag: madchen

madchen
replied to your post “asia do u have… griffguts domestic married headcanons?”

whenever they have a fight they forgive each other like immediately. guts will be aggressively chopping vegetables for dinner and griffith will come up behind him and wrap his arms around his waist and press his face into his back
love the idea of
griffiths coworkers noticing he quietly got married (ring, he’s not
subtle lol) and wondering what his wife is like and then they meet guts.
griffiths the kinda guy who keeps a framed photo of him and guts on his
immaculate desk

lol yes they’d never be able to stay mad at each other. maybe they could sulk for a while if they’re apart, during a work day or like if Guts stomps out of the house to walk around the block and brood, but as soon as they see each other again all is forgiven

and yes to the rest. also griffith’s coworkers meeting guts for the first time would make a great outsider pov fic ngl.

asia do u have… griffguts domestic married headcanons?

They would be an incredibly annoying couple. Completely wrapped up in each other, practically joined at the hip, tendency to forget there’s other people in the room, etc. Their friends roll their eyes at them a lot but find them endearing and cute.

Also taking every possible opportunity to flash their wedding rings at other people, from their friends to strangers at the grocery store.

For the rest of their lives they’ll both occasionally stop, look at the other, and think something like “I can’t believe he chose me.”

Guts is a surprisingly good cook so he does most of the cooking. Griffith cleans more. But it’s not a 50/50 split. and like, while Guts is cooking Griffith will help out and chop vegetables, and Griffith will do the dishes but Guts will dry and put them away.

I like to headcanon modern au Griffith as running a nonprofit, so before he gets married he’s a workaholic, no life outside of work, feels like it’s the only thing that makes his existence worthwhile. After getting married he’s much more capable of stepping back, taking time off, and appreciating domesticity.

For Guts’ part he’d been spending his life drifting around from place to place, doing odd jobs in like, construction and stuff to get by. Now with Griffith he feels like he can finally settle down and that he has a life he actively wants to live.

Like they’re both able to enjoy long, relaxed sunday mornings for the first time.

madchen
replied to your post “madchen
replied to your post “do you have any horror-ish…”

it’s hard to think of horror movie aus where there’s a good partnership which is why the conjuring is fun. if you’re devout enough i think someone could have fun with like an IT au. given how full of childhood trauma and repression berserk actually is.

oh man IT would work way too well. but yeah horror movies w/ fun partnerships aren’t common, i’ll keep the conjuring in mind next time i’m feeling like a horror movie tbh, it looks p fun.

hellraiser might be a good fit, tho honestly i’ve never actually seen it lol, i just know the aesthetic suits the godhand and you open portals to other dimensions through puzzle boxes and turn into bdsmy demons or smthn. but yeah i can’t think of any with good character dynamics for griffguts, just like aesthetics and tones to steal lol.

madchen
replied to your post “madchen
replied to your post “Who’s the bigger drama queen, Guts…”

no omg i agree like he is never full drama queen but i feel like the stress has to come out in some ways lmao… he never throws a fit he’s just like hand twitching at his side while chews out the florist for getting the arrangement wrong and then maybe runs to his car afterwards and silent cries.

a+ content tbh, i love this. also i imagine these are the situations when modern au griffith’s like, death stare comes out lol

madchen

replied to your post

“Who’s the bigger drama queen, Guts or Griffith?”

true… i feel like modern au griffith would be more of a drama queen or like, channel it through. healthier? outlets like social media. or being a groomzilla.

yeah i think depending on the au i could see a way more emotionally open griffith. like one thing about his general… mr calm and composed attitude to everything is that it’s not intrinsic and it doesn’t necessarily come naturally to him, he’s just forced himself to be very self-controlled throughout his life.

tbh I don’t think I should’ve said i can’t imagine griffith completely losing self-control, because i can imagine it under some circumstances, and i mean we’ve seen him attempt suicide (and he’s not in full control over himself when he’s self harming, eg, like he didn’t even seem aware he was doing it in Casca’s flashback, etc).

But yk to me drama queen suggests like, ott and melodramatic/overexaggerated emotional responses. imo Griffith’s most extreme emotional responses are pretty justified as reactions to extreme circumstances. Even Guts leaving was imo demonstrated to be genuinely significant to him, so his reaction didn’t feel overly extreme to me, and because we got his internal monologue we saw how much of his feelings he still kept hidden.

So it’s less that I can’t imagine him losing self control, and more that I can’t imagine him throwing a hissy fit, or screaming at someone in outrage, and generally blowing things out of proportion. that kind of thing.

But yeah like modern au Griffith, in different circumstances without a dream his life revolves around that forces him into a perfect self-controlled leader image, I could see him, yk, expressing his feelings before they started seeping out in self-destructive ways like unconscious self harm. Engaging in arguments, crying a bit more easily, etc. idk if I could really imagine him as an actual drama queen even then, but he could definitely be less cool and calm and composed in general.

But also like… bear in mind that this is me in unfun, contemplating the nuances of Griffith’s characterization mode. I want to respond to this with like a fun modern au groomzilla griffith scenario, I’m just bad at having fun and thinking of stuff like that, and your response made me ponder more about how canon Griffith expresses emotions lol.

modern au guts likes kissing griffiths hands and fingers but especially his wedding band… he admires how it looks on griffs hand from afar all the time lmao

yesss totally. modern au griffguts would be a ridiculous married couple. they’d look at their rings constantly and carry pictures of each other around and introduce each other to like strangers in the line at the grocery store as “my husband.” and not just during the honeymoon phase.

(also guts being into griffith’s hands in general is good. like speaking of masculine aspects of griffith he could be into in regular non au berserk, strong hands/callouses from sword fighting maybe? like yeah he has small hands but swinging a sword still takes a toll)

bedifear
replied to your post “Have you checked out G/oblin S/layer? I’ve seen it in the berserk tag…”

Female characters being infantilised (in terms of That Art Style) and sexualised simultaneously is literally so disturbing and I acc went ahead and read the first chapter of this bc I kept seeing posts that claimed that “you shouldn’t hate it if you haven’t read it :(” (even though that’s false too lmao you should be able to tell it’s Bad regardless) and it’s Bad ��
Berserk is problematic too but this feels worse
Also just a personal
take but the protagonist’s armour is too generic to be cool so…there
really aren’t any redeeming qualities huh

yeah ikwym. Like if people get something out of it beyond male power fantasy then w/e I’m not judging people who like it, but it really doesn’t seem to have anything to offer me. Berserk is extremely bad in some ways, but it’s also extremely good in some ways that rly appeal to me. If the same is tru for some fans of GS then good for them, but as for myself, meh. Also agreed wrt the armour lol. And yeah like I am viscerally pretty disturbed by that like… blobby moe art style, yk what I mean. Like if people can easily ignore it and enjoy the story regardless, again w/e, but it’s one of my biggest roadblocks into getting into a lot of manga/anime lol. Even w/ current Berserk, like if I’d read the most recent chapter first… I probably would not have continued w/ the story lol.

@morgiah said:


in april! i’ve read
everything i could find incl. some detailed summaries but not the full
novel yet.. i already love my four children from not-iceland

also wrt the second thing ohh very likely. that’d be, well.. significant. both good and bad 

ty for the specific month! and yeah lol. at any rate it could be interesting to consider.

@madchen said:


one griffith slowly rides guts while guts gets to suck the other off/eat him out 

Nice.

bedifear
replied to your post “You claim to have completed the threesome series but I’m afraid you…”

Griffith getting all excited because oh boy now there are TWO (2) whole Guts to attentively bang him

this has suddenly reminded me about one of @madchen (i think)’s comments that i think I completely forgot to respond to a little while ago. something about how Griffith would p much only actually be into being spitroasted if it was Guts and also Guts. which is true and this is therefore the perfect scenario.

But then the question is, would he get jealous of himself if there are also 2 of him?

(Guts would also completely bask in the attention of 2 Griffiths lbr. they would both love having 2 of the other.)

madchen
replied to your post “madchen
replied to your post “do you have any griffguts hcs to share…”

he likes his slim hips and wide shoulders and thinks secretly to himself that griffith looks like one of those fancy greek young athlete statues he’s seen around the castle or whatever and is a little too intensely interested in said statues for reasons he doesn’t want to think about
also im obviously in
the fun club of guts is really into griffiths dick. no real clue why but
it’s so real he’s just really into it, wants to get his hand on it.
probably also greek athlete statue visuals here.

@chaoticgaygriffith said:

i wanna say griffith’s masculine
feminine beauty too, like he has a feminine face but he’s still a man ..
there’s still a bit of that masculine bone structure there, with
beautiful blue eyes and plump lips and soft skin and guts could stare at
him until he went blind

extremely legit contributions to this topic tbh and ia w/ both of you

madchen
replied to your post “do you have any griffguts hcs to share (both sfw and nsfw)? pls and…”

omg i e talked about this before but do you have any specifics in mind as far as guts favorite masculine griff qualities are ��

lol yeah some of that was def inspired by conversations w/ you

shoulder and back muscles, i wanna say. what even are other typically “masculine” physical qualities griff has lol? maybe his narrow hips too, yk the upside down triangle body shape in general. the muscle definition in general. his dick. Like from the get go Guts would be into grinding against him and jerking him off tbh.

idk what else, what do you think?

madchen
replied to your post “do griffguts give each other like massages or back/shoulder rubs or…”

those memes about not being able to move out of fear of disturbing the cat are guts after griffith has been back rubbed into aforementioned puddle

griffith starting to doze off on guts’ lap while guts just spends 20 minutes staying v still while watching him and absently rubbing his back, w/ no idea how much time is passing

ugh this is such an adorable image lol

do griffguts give each other like massages or back/shoulder rubs or the like? i think griffith loves rubbing guts big meaty shoulders especially and griffith turns into like a big puddle when guts gives him a back rub

Absolutely cosigning this. Also I wanna say that Guts is surprisingly good at giving massages. He thinks he’ll suck at it and initially protests when Griffith first crawls under his hands like a cat after a long day of fighting or w/e, but turns out he’s got a knack.

madchen
replied to your post “i am absolutely living for your hcs, do you have any thoughts on…”

imagining all these ending with like griffith and guts clinging and wrapped all intimately around each other and hoarsely whispering to the other after like frantic passionate sex and serpico just sort of sitting off to the side looking at his cuticles
like guts leaning over and pressed
against griffith post missionary while still inside him with his arms
wrapped around griffs back and cradling him and pressed into his neck…
griffith has his own arms wrapped around guts wide shoulders and his
legs hooked over his hips… serpico is reading like the bible from the
bedside table drawer lmao

this is so real and I can just picture it perfectly lol, i love it

@madchen said: guts and zodd fighting devolving into
homoerotic sweaty wrestling and eventually grabbing each other’s dick
and griffith is like *kill bill sirens* it’s good

and nsfw but i feel like griffith would
get off on the idea of being like spit roasted but find it very
unappealing irl and guts would absolutely kill the other man in any
hypothetical situation lmao

lol strong agree w/ both comments. + i feel like griffith would have a lot of fantasies that would actually suck irl ngl. his imagination would be more extreme than he actually is. tho i guess this is technically neogriff so all bets are off and i kinda like the idea that he doesn’t have the same limits as human griff would. but agree wrt human griffith and i still think ngriff would just see zodd as a distraction when guts is in the picture lol so he still wouldn’t really be into it

@chaoticgaygriffith said:
no you should totally go into how the neo-hawks and guts would get along while fucking griffith 

lmao now i’m gonna be thinking about this and mb next time the topic of apostle fucking comes up i’ll have something worth adding

This is the quality shit we come here for! ��❤️ Neo-Griff offering his body to the beast of darkness as an apology or self destructive thing is also very human Griffith of him and would definitely be a sign his heart isn’t as frozen as he’d like it to be.

ty! and ooh yeah i love the idea of there being a self-destructive/self-harming aspect deep down to ngriff mb angling more for fucking than fighting in a confrontation w/ beast of darkness guts. also maybe an element of avoiding having to kill guts too. and also wanting the d. honestly ngriff letting guts fuck him is the most in character thing he could do l b r.

also lmao @ you and @madchen both coming to the same conclusion. i’ll cosign beast of darkness fucking femto/ngriff from behind.

hey… thought in griffiths thoughts on guts hypothetical facial hair andddd maybe vice versa though tbh i don’t think griffith could grow a beard even if he tried lmao

the thought of griffith with a beard made my brain 404 lol. and honestly kind of guts too, i can’t even picture either of them with facial hair

i think griffith would be fine w/ guts growing a beard? maybe even like it? tho wait didn’t i get specific and say griffith was into guts’ jawline once, maybe he’d be annoyed if guts grew a beard and it hid any part of his face lol.

idk what are your thoughts?

where r guts favorite places to kiss griffith and vice verse…

guts kissing griffith: neck esp the nape of the neck + where neck meets shoulder, jaw, temple/hairline like as a casual thing when they’re chilling, i want to say back of his hand bc i like the image of guts jokingly kissing his hand like/as he’s royalty but sometimes turning it into an intimate thing like bringing his knuckles up to his lips all sweetly

griffith kissing guts: legs + inner thighs b4/after a bj, bridge of his nose (yeah where the scar is), palm of his hand, aaaaand i’m gonna say the scar where he stabbed him which is a dual possessive/subconsciously apologetic thing. not like kissing it better, but like wanting it to be associated with positive things to guts while also reminding himself of guts joining him.

(and ofc i want to hear your thoughts too)

also

madchen replied to your post  “an awful question: griffguts favorite/preferred positions?”

i’ve been busy w life but obviously hard agree
with all of this. griffith throne fucking fantasy is backwards in guts
lap as if he’s facing the entire court

this is exactly how i was envisioning it lol, nice

an awful question: griffguts favorite/preferred positions?

no this is a high quality question despite what probably made you think of it tonight lol

cowgirl, griff riding guts, is the favourite. at least at first. it’s like how i automatically assume their first time would go. griffith has more experience and would take the lead, but guts would still be the one to top for trauma reasons. relatedly griffith’s past experience w/ m/m sex would have been with him having v little control and p much just being used, so this would be a nice change for him too. they can see each other and make eye contact and feel emotionally intimate. good way to make their first time a positive and enjoyable experience for all, 10/10.

also related but extra intimate, sitting up facing each other and making out, wrapped around each other.

more advanced relationship-wise, griffith being taken from behind, hard and desperate, manhandled a bit. maybe bent over something, or just face down ass up. made to feel like guts can’t not fuck him in that moment and just desperately needs him. also neck kissing, no matter how rough it is. griffith would love dirty talk whispered in his ear too but that might be a little beyond guts. well actually guts could probably manage easy stuff like “need you” and “god you’re so good” and w/e, which would work just fine for griffith.

add mild bondage when they level up further, but i’m not going to get into that rn bc we’ve chatted about it before

guts eventually bottoming i see as p missionary style, again at least at first, super slow, best described as “lovemaking,” griffith getting super perfectionist. and guts would bask in being under so much loving attention from griffith.

also sleepy morning sex while spooning. mb intercrural sometimes, either topping.

i think both would enjoy giving blowjobs and probably rimming too.

also griffith def fantasizes about guts fucking him on midland’s throne after he becomes king. like in guts’ lap, guts actually sitting on the throne. some manhandling and teasing, guts power tripping a little on having him there, making him wait to come, etc. i’m gonna say that’s a heat of the moment fantasy that griff feels weird about after he comes tho. yk it’s got an undertone of prioritizing guts over the kingdom.

i mean honestly idt any sex position is going to be ooc as long as it’s set up right (like guts being fine w/ getting fucked from behind the first time would not be believable to me, but yk, maybe after a while it could work), but there’s a few i immediately jumped to.

did i miss any good ideas?

madchen
replied to your post “every time i re-read a bit of the conviction arc i want to say…”

this isn’t a complete thought here but i wonder/hope that there’s some narrative irony happening or going to happen if anything? idk like of course the ceremony and events leading up to griffiths reincarnation as a perfect image of his dream and ideal self would try to hammer home cynicism of not needing others enough. guts kind of well with the campiness of the arc too ig. i hope this makes a little sense i haven’t read conviction in a long time.

Yeah no I get what you mean, ngl I was kind of thinking something similar while re-reading those chapters, like, everything Egg says about relationships sounds like it could come straight from a Griffith who has been burned lol. And it is the lead-up to the creation of Griffith’s perfect world, which Egg is advocating for here. So in that way it does maybe make sense to be extra cynical, reflecting back on Golden Age stuff through a whatever the opposite of rose coloured lens is.

like, maybe that’s Femto’s perception of that relationship lol.

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I mean honestly this is exactly how I think Griffith thought of himself after the second duel/even tombstone of flame, word for word. And again, that’s something that could’ve changed so easily if Guts had just told him how he actually felt.

So I can’t accept it as an objective statement, but a subjective statement filtered thru bitterness + self-loathing? Kinda works.

Also yeah the extremely campy tone of this arc does kind of lend itself to more meta (in the self-referential sense, not the fandom essays sense) stuff like this imo.

My misgiving is that this seems like more thought than Miura put into it lol. But idk I should probably re-read the whole arc before I say something like that, like maybe there are indications that we’re not meant to take some of the Conviction arc themes as objective truth, and I just don’t remember/never noticed them.

this probably won’t lead anywhere deep but do you have any thoughts on griffiths reaction when guts asks him if he’s gay?

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this is absolutely me projecting my own interp of griff but i feel like this reaction is an “i get asked this way too often and it bothers me bc i don’t want to have to answer it/bc i’m p sure i know the answer and i’m trying not to think about it”

tho to be more fun I could also see “shit was i that obvious?”

or “oh no, he’s straight.” (luckily he’s wrong)

also his reaction in the ova is more along the lines of “yes, dumbass.” or actually i think guts’ q there was ‘in what way’ so it could also be like, giggling when the hot person asks if you like them but playing it off bc you don’t want them to know you like them. I mean they are basically awkward teenagers lol.

and i guess on a more meta level i can say that the fact that griffith doesn’t answer is like, so telling. i have no idea what miura wanted me to think here if he didn’t want me to think griffith was gay. he could’ve easily had griffith say something like ‘no’ or ‘don’t be ridiculous i’m talking about your fighting’ or whatever. or, yknow, not brought up the question at all lol.

Like ok in response to that one ask yesterday I talked about how Guts is projecting his trauma here a bit, so in theory that’s why it’s brought up and why Griff couldn’t immediately shut him down, but honestly – it’s immensely unnecessary. Guts changes his tune immediately after losing lol and they become mutually pining bffs like a week later. As set-up to make Griffith seem more threatening before switching to portraying him as a good guy, it’s unnecessary bc we’ve already seen femto, he’s already imbued with a lingering senese of threat from the bs arc. Plus, yk, it’s homophobic and annoying, playing into that predatory gay shit.

There’s got to be more to it than that, or it’s like, plain old shitty writing. So that’s why it’s also an early indicator of the true nature of their relationship, and neatly foreshadows how trauma makes it impossible for them to see it. Because that takes it from bad writing to good, layered writing.

idk what miura intended but i like Good Berserk so idc.

griff and guts sleeping/cuddling position headcanons? guts is a little spoon and griffith sleeps on top of guts huge chest…

legit. guts sleeping on his back and griffith clinging and using his chest as a pillow is perf.

i think they’d also naturally fall into sleeping on their sides w/ guts as the big spoon (and griffith holding onto his arm like a stuffed animal), and falling asleep facing each other a lot too tbh, complete with holding hands.

madchen
replied to your post “what do u think are guts and griffs favorite physical and not physical…”

“rugged handsomeness” is a good word that griffith would definitely use when describing guts… i think he also really likes guts legs and hands. he thinks his perpetual frown is endearing and also thinks he’s very clever and smart in his own way.
guts obviously loves griffiths hair a
lot and he also loves his lips and hands. and broad greek athletic youth
shoulders and small waist + frame. he’s actually bonkers for griffiths
mix of soft/feminine features and masculine features. griffiths voice is
a soft tenor and guts thinks it’s like, masculine and sweet in an
elegant prince sort of way

i was gonna day guys loves griffiths
devotion tho i realize now that’s just “determination” flavored
differently-which makes it fitting from a certain perspective. like,
devotion to his dream sure but also the potential for devoted adoration
and sweetness + attention turned guts way. i like to think guts heart
would burst when he realizes how sweet on him griffith is

this is all extremely good i just wanna second everything

especially the detail of griffith being fond of guts’ default frowny face, and extra emphatic yes to guts liking griffith’s masc and fem traits in combination

and yeah to that last bit, I think they both love like, each others’ intensity and determination/devotion because they want it aimed at least partly at them. or like, they both know, whether consciously or not, from the start that that intensity is aimed at them and they crave it.

(honestly makes me want to frame the current state of their relationship as both deliberately witholding it from the other lmao. ngriff: fuck you i only care about my dream now. guts: well fuck you too i only care about uhhhh casca)

@madchen said:
first one is when all
the pta mom are asking him if he can really organize the fundraiser bake
sale in less than 24 hours after debbie tragically had a recreational
hiking accident 

lmao i see it

what do u think are guts and griffs favorite physical and not physical qualities of the other 🤔

Ooh okay this is fun.

Guts’ favourite physical quality of Griffith’s:

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let’s be real, it’s the hair.

Griffith’s favourite physical quality of Guts’:

I was gonna say something like his buff arms, or his strength in general, and I think that would also be a legit answer, but yk what I’m going with

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I think I just wanna say Guts’ face in general. Like maybe this is just Miura failing to properly objectify his point of view manly man protagonist, but when he’s making Griffith’s heart flutter his heavy brows and intense focused stare tend to be pretty prominent.

Also I’d argue that Miura kind of emphasizes Guts’ rugged handsomeness this way during/after the rescue mission, when the love triangle’s rearranging itself to put Guts in the centre:

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moreso than at any other point in the story. So yeah.

Guts’ favourite non-physical quality of Griffith’s:

Ok this one’s tricky because I want to say Griffith’s like, larger than lifeness. His respectability, leadership abilities, ambition, that whole package, because that’s what makes his attention that much more valuable to Guts. He doesn’t want just anyone’s attention, he wants Griffith’s attention, because Griffith is the coolest guy he knows lol.

But! Like the entire point of the Golden Age is Guts learning that he’s been prioritizing the wrong aspects of Griffith. And obviously I don’t think Guts only liked Griffith because of his image lol, just that Guts really valued that image because like… he wants to be admired by someone admirable.

But I’m also going to say Griffith’s playfulness, because there’s something there that grabbed Guts early on, not just something he admired but something he genuinely liked, and I always come back to the waterfight. Guts has never had a friend his own age before, and he’s never had a chance to be a kid in his life. The waterfight is I can only assume the first time Guts fought just for fun.

And despite all the smokescreens of status and admirability and godliness etc, at the end of the day they just genuinely like each other, they like hanging out and having fun together.

Maybe you can say it’s both in combination – the fact that he’s larger than life, but has this more human, real side of him that is reachable and that he can genuinely connect with. It’s what makes Griffith’s “superiority” something he loves and wants to live up to, rather than something he resents.

Idk.

Griffith’s favourite non-physical quality of Guts’:

His determination. Whether it’s used against him, like during their first duel (or post Eclipse), or to fight for him, or to protect him, I think Guts’ willingness to do anything in a fight makes him swoon. One reason he refuses to try to reign him in despite Casca complaining that Guts gets away with everything lol. And one reason his heart started beating while he watched him fight Zodd.

What do you think? I kind of just stuck really close to things basically stated in canon but I think there are better, and probably shippier/more fun answers lol. If you have alternative suggestions I want to hear them.

madchen
replied to your post “Do you have any thoughts about griffith’s relationship with sex? Tbh…”

this is a given but all this really drives home that him and guts could’ve had it all including the first actual healthy and mutual romantic + sexual experience either of them would have

ikkkkkkkkkkkkkr

like i s2g griffguts is the keystone to berserk, it’s the missing piece, everything is built around it and everything falls apart literally because it’s a missed connection, i’ll argue that forever. and it always fits like no matter which angle you’re looking at the characters from

griffith and guts were like 17/16 ish when they met right? modern au they go to prom together. i’ve no idea what prompted this i just thought it’d be sweet.

We know for a fact Guts was 15, Griffith was around the same age according to Guts’ guess.

Idk how high school grades/ages work lol but idc emphatic yes to guts and griffith going to prom as dates. i’ve got a real thing for the image of them awkwardly dancing together for some reason tbh so I immediately love this. Who do you think asks who? And are they friends first or do they start going out soon after they meet in this au?