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hey challenge headcanon question what do you think guts thoughts on griffiths hair are? [ LMAOOOO i was at work and did the thing where i cant proofread for shit]

he fuckin loves griffith’s hair omg

i have like, actual things to say but first i want to get my obligatory picspam out of the way lol

like there’s a reason his very first sight of griffith is a slow sexy letting his hair down moment

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that comes first in his memory even when his association with griffith should be ‘the jerk who stabbed me’ not ‘the pretty guy with gorgeous hair that i’m imagining extra fanned out and sensuous’

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and then there’s this

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and don’t even get me started on how mesmerised he is by neogriffith’s hair

like sure it works as a visual contrast to femto to emphasize his lack of demonic appearance, but man

i mean there’s a panel of just his hair as like an abstract design as a lead in to the full pages of naked griffith, framed by guts’ awestruck expression

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and guts’ memories of the big moment of course which exaggerate his hair even more

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oh and like all of guts’ memories of human griffith that aren’t his back after the swordfight include his hair flowing in the wind

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ANYWAY in addition to bombarding you with visuals bc I enjoy spamming panels from berserk, my take is that Guts totally eroticizes Griffith’s hair, whether consciously or unconsciously, and wouldn’t actually touch it, say, to casually brush something away, until their relationship turns sexual, because it feels off-limits to him bc of that erotic association.

but then he wouldn’t be able to get enough of gently brushing it behind his ear before going in for a kiss, or looking at it all splayed out and messy while he’s asleep, or mb eventually grabbing handfuls and using it to physically guide him during sex a bit, or even brushing it for him sometimes, though he’d probably be a little intimidated at first cause lbr he wouldn’t know the first thing to do with hair longer than an inch and a half. (also ik you don’t brush curly hair but griffith’s seems less curly and more wavy to me and therefore brushable? either way tho, guts helping w/ hair care is good. washing it for him too.)

also griffith and guts cuddling w/ guts just like gently scratching/massaging his head and playing with his hair.

I was also considering the idea of guts coming in his hair like, by accident, and getting awkwardly turned on even as he apologizes lol, but actually idk… it def wouldn’t work as a humiliation thing, and i feel like come marking as a d/s thing automatically has associations of humiliation, but then there’s also just the way bodily fluids are intimate. i could see guts being into it as like a physical sign of how close they are and more physically associating griffith’s hair with sex lol.

i like the idea of it as an accident during a blowjob that griffith laughs off and guts is awkward and a little turned on about, but mb not as a deliberate sexual activity, i think.

griffithsgaymom:

wow take this with a grain of salt but total reworked au where its a broken griffith and guts travelling an incresingly bleak awful world together post eclipse bc it was casca who ended up triggering the crimson behelit somehow and her suffereing is validated and amplified and tears everything apart

i’ve literally been thinking about this au for months now lol, it’s like my ultimate self indulgent concept. i’m never gonna actually properly write it all out but man it’s good stuff.

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bad way for guts to figure out he really wants griffith to suck him off
i dont think its out
of the park to say griffith would assume his feminine looks make it
easier for guts to pretend hes a woman or something equally as crude,
like its self depreciating in the internalized homophobia way enough to
meet his standards. or just like any other slew of possibilities that
use his beauty as an excuse for gayness

hhhgh tine to be sad
about griffith online lads. i want a situation where guts freaks out and
says refuses and theres a whole hysterical conversation ending in guts
saying hell stay. cue introspective few day gap and griffith visits guts
in his quarters/tent or whatever at night and they have jilted awkward
conversation until griffith says “… would you /want/ me to suck you
off?” and guts doesnt stop him when he slowly kneels down between his
open legs etc etc

i want an excuse to write/talk about
porn with some angst and mixed feelings ig lmao. throw some alcohol in
there idgaf

oh man i’d read tf out of this

there’s like something weirdly compelling about a scenario where they upgrade their relationship to sexual but like, in a terrible way with both of them hating themselves, but then eventually gets better

idk like their lives revolve around each other, i could also see an ill advised sexual encounter not so much driving them apart bc nothing really can drive them apart – even when guts left it was all for the sake of his relationship w/ griffith, and even after the eclipse they’re both still obsessed with each other – as just being kind of toxic and miserable until they manage to work their issues out.

idk if what you’re describing would be that angsty, but either way the situation u describe, where guts decides to stay after griffith probably like reveals how vulnerable he is and how emotionally dependant on guts he is – more clearly than just falling into the snow in a daze, in a way guts can’t deny – and then they’re still drawn back to each other a few days later despite guts refusing the first sexual encounter, idk it yk just feels like a good illustration of the pull between them.

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My dream would be a scenario where if Guts does have a flashback that could be Serious Bonding Moment of Healing for them. Obviously they both know that they have to work together to make everything as okay as it’s going to be, but yeah. I hope both of them have it together enough know that what they have together is a different dynamic entirely from their previous experiences.
Guts I think is used
to thinking of himself as an outsider on some level so I think he may be
more emotionally equipped to handle the Gay Experience. Griffith
though, has a lot of aspirations to respectability so that part may be
harder for him even though I don’t think his men would give a flying
fuck. (I honestly think that Judeau would just owe Corkus money.)

i feel like it’s not necessarily a given that guts would have flashbacks his first time having sex with griffith too, since in canon he’s triggered by penetration in specific positions, i mean, there’s a good chance they’d start with handjobs and blowjobs etc anyway. one of the handy things about gay sex is that it doesn’t necessarily revolve around penetration by default assumption unlike het sex. plus since guts would maybe be more likely to anticipate like, strong negative feelings resurging during sex with a man as opposed to sex with a woman he might also have the presence of mind to start with non penetrative stuff.

so that way they’d have a chance to yk like, get used to sex with each other and get more intimate physically and emotionally, and both able to internalize the fact that their desire is reciprocated, before hitting a scenario that leads to guts flashbacking.

also yeah good point that guts could be more okay with his attraction to men than griffith. i tend to see griffith as understanding that he’s attracted to men and completely ignoring that fact bc his aspirations include marrying a specific woman and also he has hangups, but ofc i could also see him basically unaware and in denial.

and maybe if he does come to terms w/ it he can switch strategies to matchmaking charlotte and anna while making himself charlotte’s bff and then proposing a lavender marriage. happily ever after berserk au.

the only thing i disagree with is that i think corkus would owe judeau money if they were betting on griffith lol. but then corkus would immediately get it back thanks to guts anyway.

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Guts has zero social skills but I could see Griffith permitting a hug. Guts, understanding on some level where this is all coming from would be really sad and might say the right thing about not needing to do it this way? I don’t know. It may backfire spectacularly because Guts may go down the “Are my desires inherently predatory????!!!!” road and that helps no one. Poor things.

yeah mb if guts already knows he’s attracted to griffith and is coming to terms w/ that then he could salvage the situation and not get too freaked out and escalate it badly. though man it would be really really easy for him to fuck that up lol.

but i mean there are worst case scenarios but there are also best case scenarios. like eg i could see guts smoothly bypassing a sexuality crisis by going from ‘this is fine because griffith is so special he’s basically a category all on his own‘ to ‘ok yeah ik griffith is a dude but by now i’m p comfortable having sex w/ that dude so w/e’ and/or ‘ok now i’m having a flashback but we’re emotionally close and comfortable enough by now to turn it into a comforting bonding experience’

and i could see griffith having all these issues we’ve been discussing but not making it obvious for a while, so when he does slip up and reveal that he’s got some fucked up attitudes towards sex as transactional and/or something that makes him feel dirty/self loathing, their relationship is more solid and they’re more equipped to deal w/ it together.

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the implications of this make me sad but like its good in the content way
theres the assumption
that griffith knows that guts finds him physically/sexually attractive
(which gets worse when you tie in his feminine features and the
internalized homophobia) but the jump from him wanting guts to stay
around and offering his body just ends in static…

griffith drops 2 his knees and offers to suck guts off if he promises he wont leave just yet

it’s like, the combination of most plausible and most depressing way for them to turn/try to turn their relationship sexual

and i feel like guts would have to be the one who recognizes that griffith has fucked up attitudes towards sex bc i rly don’t think griffith is self aware enough to recognize that this is terrible lol, at least not without a serious wake-up call. but idk if guts has enough like… social awareness. it’s like griffith has the social awareness and guts has the self awareness and while in some circumstances that could work out really well, in this circumstance it’s the opposite of what they need.

agh this is such a disaster scenario. and like if griffith did offer then and there during a fraught moment as he’s freaked out about guts leaving, guts would absolutely be like ‘no what the fuck’ and griffith would then ofc take it as a rejection/condemnation.

but at least it might be enough to convince guts that griffith needs him a lot more than he believes? it’s a starting point at least.

also yeah the point about griffith knowing guts finds him attractive is so 😦 like we were talking a bit before about guts’ internalized homophobia + griffith’s femininity vs masculinity, but yeah it would be sad and interesting to explore how griffith feels about that too.

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lmaoo im the same i like ships that are on “the friends to enemies to its complicated and cant be explained in a trope” sid so fluff is a relief. griffiths issues with sex and intimacy have me fucked beyond his rape i think crossing that line with guts would lead to a contradiction with his sex=transaction viewpoint
like i can see him
trying to seduce guts when they have a disagreement because some part of
him thinks that  trading his body/objectifying himself (?) is a viable
option to get what he wants or come to a compromise. as opposed to an
thing he does with a person he loves because he loves him and he wants
to do it. guts of course freaks out which only makes griffith more
hysterical etc

aaaaaaaaa yeah this is so real and now i’m depressed. i tried to add something but i just ended up re-stating what you said lol.

but also this has me immediately thinking of an au w/ griffith learning that guts intends to leave in a situation less immediate than the canon one but still incredibly emotionally intense for him, and leaping to offering sex. especially if he learns, unlike canon, that guts wants to leave to be his friend/equal, and therefore doesn’t necessarily see it as a rejection, but as a problem that could be fixed by offering himself.

and of course griffith does want sex for its own sake, as an expression of love and intimacy and pleasure etc, but it just isn’t how he thinks of it or frames it to himself. when it comes to sex w/ guts the transaction concept is more like an excuse to experience something he wants but can’t really admit he wants due to a) trauma and/or b) the way it runs counter to his dream.

ugh this is so angsty and good.

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oh hard agree to all of this i dont have much to add atm… do you think their first real sexual encounter would significantly change things or subtly affect any of this? i think i remember you saying that them fucking would either bring them closer or push them apart aaannndddd i think about that a lot

i think they would both get incredibly clingy after they first have sex tbh, i could just see them the morning after having to go about their day doing mercenary or noble stuff or w/e just like, trailing after each other, practically staying within reach at all times even if they can’t like, actually hold hands. sneaking off to make out for a while every hour or two.

lol it’s funny, i’m all about dark angsty fucked up ships but when it comes to griffguts there’s something so appealing about a fluffy au where everything just works out and they get to be happy together.

but also yeah i think you could go a more dramatic angsty route where after frantic passionate sex griffith is flooded by the realization that guts is the number one most important thing in his life and it’s going to ruin everything, and he ends up like, thousand yard staring it fifteen minutes after sex, and pushes him away or says ‘don’t touch me’ when guts like, grabs his shoulder and asks ‘what’s wrong’

which would then really freak guts out and i could see that spiraling into a temporary disaster

also like wrt trauma idk why it never occurred to me before considering i think trauma 100% figures into both guts and griffith’s inability to deal w/ their feelings, but yeah now that u mention it i could totally see griffith feeling dirty and getting all self-loathing after enjoying sex with another man.

like the likeliest angsty scenarios are def guts having a flashback and freaking out, and/or griffith hating himself, and/or one or both feeling like they’re taking on the role of their own aggressor and victimizing the other because shit went badly – like w/ griffith’s only experience w/ same-sex desire being gennon, and sort-of canonically feeling like his own desire for guts is inherently predatory, and guts canonically comparing himself to donovan after killing adonis and during his sex flashback, i mean

that is a fraught emotional situation to introduce sex into

griffithsgaymom:

romcom angst senario (either canon or modern) where griffguts have an established relationship and sexual relationship but havent done anything involving penetration and then one night griffith insists guts fucks him sort of out of the blue and its quick and kind of sloppy and not great and griffith sort of takes control of the situation and gets on all fours while guts is a little put out he cant see griffiths face. and afterwards griffith immediately starts to clean up instead of staying to cuddle for a while like usual and guts is stressed and put out bc griffith sort of dismissively and quickly goes to work on paperwork or something

and for the next day griffith is way more withdrawn and cold and distant, even moreso thann before he and guts started this thing they have now and its driving guts crazy with all sorts of fears and anxieties and insecurities so he corners griffith up against a wall and sort of gently but gruffly demands he tells him what the fuck is going on and griffith is kind of :0 bc this is the first tims gits has taken the lead in their relationship and he really, really likes it.

and then its like. a more substantial actual conversation about griffiths confusion wrt his sa and sex in general and guilt, and how he badly he wanted to guts to fuck him and how illogically dirty /that/ made him feel and how he was afraid now that guts would pull away from him because guts had seen him laying himself out vulnerable and had asked to be taken and guts would find him repulsive and dirty and not at all like the griffith he must love

and yeah guts would bust a cog in his brain trying to explain to him that he doesnt find him dirty or disgusting, he loves him and having sex with him no matter how clumsy it is at first, and he loves that griffith wants him in such an intimate way and thinks its supr hot js. and maybe in the end he has to show him and lays griffith back and clumisly but earnestly makes love to him and then they cuddle the end

ok heres a question that could warrant headcanon and possibly meta/character analysis… how do you see progression of physical relationship (in thinking more like comfortability with touching rather than explicitly sexual stuff lol) with griff and guts when they enter a relationship for the first time? like i think theyre pretty physical and intimate to an extent as friends but theyd probably be like… fucking shy about it at first…

Yeah like, in canon they are surprisingly physical with each other. Or at least it surprises me on re-read how many of their significant relationship moments not just include but revolve around and specifically highlight physical touch.

Like from Griffith grabbing Guts’ face like he’s going to pull him into a kiss after defeating him in a physical fight to Griffith’s “if you touch me now…” moment of reality-breaking despair, touch is portrayed as a really significant component of their relationship.

Actually to get on my meta shit real quick, check out their first interactions. First Griffith shoving Casca at Guts, explicitly because she’s the only woman around and only a woman can cuddle naked with a dude (and damn if her first appearance doesn’t define her role in the story to a tee). Next, they duel with swords. Extensions of themselves, but not their actual physical bodies. Then they lose their swords and end up physically grappling with each other, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m wracking my brain and I’m pretty sure this is the only time we’ve ever seen either of them fight without weapons.

Which leads to this:

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Their first meeting has the sense of an inevitable, physical pull between them imo, and that is a constant of their relationship.

And their mutual desire for physical contact can only be satisfied when they have the pretense of guys being dudes to fall back on lol. A fight, in this case. In other cases it’s saving each others’ lives, and supporting each other while injured mainly, and sometimes casual friendly touches, like Guts’ hand on Griffith’s shoulder which gains significance during Griffith’s torture chamber monologue.

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When they don’t have that pretense available, when sex inevitably comes into the equation, that’s when Casca or Charlotte comes between them as outlets for those decidedly non platonic feelings, as The Designated Socially (and psychologically thanks to trauma) Acceptable Woman.

(I’d elaborate on that but like, I talk about Casca as an emotional and physical bridge between them a lot and have at least one giant thorough post about it. And Charlotte is just obvious. I figure we’re all on the same page here.)

Idk it’s not like they touch in every scene they’re in or anything, more that most of their intensely emotional and narratively significant scenes either involve touch in significant ways, or the very pointed absence of it (eg Guts reaching out towards Griffith as he transforms before pulling his hand away and turning to fight apostles. Or, yk, Griffith straight up thinking about Guts at the exact moment of penetration during the Charlotte sex scene, which I still can’t believe happened. Stuff like that lol).

So while I think them being physically drawn to each other and wanting to touch is v in character, and I can easily imagine them brushing shoulders, casually grabbing arms or w/e to get the others’ attention, back and shoulder pats, arm wrestling, play fighting, etc etc, and I think there’s plenty of indication that they probably find excuses to touch a lot, more importantly I think the narrative is telling us that physical touch is a significant aspect of their expression of feelings for each other regardless of how often they might actually get touchy feely.

ANYWAY i’m realizing that i have like fifty million things to say on this topic so I’m going to write more posts later. For now I’ll get into the headcanony stuff.

So basically I think that they absolutely would get v awkward and kind of shy about touch after acknowledging that their feelings are sexual. Suddenly they realize why they want to touch each other so much, they both have hangups about it even assuming they navigate the whole sexuality issue smoothly, and it would probably take a little while to adjust even if everything goes perfectly.

But I don’t think it would take very long, because the facts are that they really like being in physical contact with each other, and even if they got awkward for a while and second guessed things like shoulder pats or w/e a lot lol, they are ultimately used to touching and it’s pretty natural to them. It’s how they express their emotional closeness, and it would become even moreso once they accepted the sexual aspect of their feelings.

If this is in the canon universe I could see trying to keep their hands off each other being more of a problem lol. I feel like if they did get together, just about everyone would figure it out pretty quickly. They are absolutely the couple who sits in each others’ laps, leans against each other, casually wraps their arms around each other, etc, and it would be hard for them to refrain in general day to day interactions i m h o.

Also they’d be adorable as fuck.

Tho also for the sake of angst I could see things going much less than smoothly wrt the sexuality angle, particularly with Guts, and if one of them realized their feelings aren’t platonic first I could definitely see him physically withdrawing and specifically avoiding contact, whether it’s Guts or Griffith, though maybe especially if it’s Guts, and subtly making the other feel kind of neglected/rejected. But they’d get through that eventually.

Hi)) So, I wanna ask – have you some headcanons about Griffith’s childhood? Is he an orphan or maybe he has any family? And I’m f*cking interested – why he’s so beautiful???😏 He isn’t look like commoner, he has very aristocratic apperance. Who was his parents in that case? (he couldn’t have hatched from an egg, could he?)))

I think Griffith’s story works best imo if he’s completely common, so I’d say his parents were nobody important. Can’t rly judge nobility vs commoners by looks anyway, inbreeding notwithstanding lol.

I guess technically the in story reason he’s so beautiful is because he needed to be to fulfill his destiny – he incarnates as humanity’s “desired” after all and has to look the part, plus yk it’s a big factor in almost all of the shit that fucked him up to the point of making the sacrifice, from Gennon and the torturer obsessing over him to being seen more as a symbol than a person to being a huge asset in his ability to rise up the ladder of nobility – so god made sure his genetics were exactly right for looks as well as personality or w/e.

I generally hc that both his parents died when he was young, or maybe he just never knew his father, and I tend to just go with the idea that his mother was a prostitute bc it’s a headcanon I’ve seen other ppl have that makes sense to me/could inform some of his attitude towards sex and commodified bodies etc. But either way, I’d say he was orphaned at a young age.

Idk about any other headcanons about Griffith’s childhood tbh. My mind kind of goes blank when I’m asked stuff like this lol, if you had a specific question I could probably come up with something, but when it comes to just any headcanons in general, idk lol.

Oh wait one I have, which I’m v fond of, is that Griffith had no particular affinity for hawks or birds or whatever. Someone else suggested the name Band of the Hawk and he went with it bc it sounded good and gave the impression of rising up. Everything hawk related that came after, like Falconia, the whole armour look, the Hawk of Light, etc, is because of the Band of the Hawk, rather than the Band being just one of several hawk-related things in Griffith’s life.

That’s kind of childhood related at least.

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oh i agree with all of this griffith is a ball of anxiety about it imho. in my modern au they actually make up after a messy bad break up (the consequences of which are not even near the scale of dire as canon’s lmao) so i think griffith would always have that seed of doubt in the back of his head even when he tries his best to tell guts at least a little bit of what hes thinking now.
i think like guts would try and propose
first and have like the flowers and wine and candles and everything and
then griffith says “yes” before guts even has his first word out and
starts cry-laughing which obviously confuses guts until griffith pulls
the plain thick silver band out if his pocket that hes been carrying
around since like a few weeks after they got back together.

lol ngl i’m so into a modern au equivalent (tho yeah obviously not nearly as life/world destroying) of their canon breakup, i’d love to see your take on it someday

yesss i love this, it’s so sweet and perfect. and so fitting for guts to be the one to go for it first but then hey griffith has the ring on him at all times so he can reciprocate immediately. ugh i love them.

WAIT OKAY hear me out i know you prefer canon aus but i absolutely need to know your take on Who Proposes

I could see either of them proposing tbh. I could see Guts saving up to buy something way too expensive and trying to plan the perfect grand gesture that Griffith would love. I mean this a dude who went on a knight errant quest to win Griffith’s favour basically, lol.

And I could see Griffith like, hmmmm, buying a ring and carrying it around for six months waiting for the perfect opportunity? I feel like he’d be pro-active enough to buy the ring and then second guess himself every time he thinks about proposing bc it has to be perfect to guarantee that Guts says yes, even tho nothing can possibly guarantee it.

And then finally he’d break and just pull it out one night while they’re sitting around watching a movie and eating leftovers.

Idk like, I can see Griffith being confident in their relationship, especially if unlike canon Guts has never abandoned him in a modern au lol, but idk I think there’d always be this seed of self-doubt and insecurity. like his confidence and total self-assurance is his way of covering that up, but something as high-stakes and outside of his control as proposing to the dude he loves would bring it out.

hey thanks for the reply , I just realized I was so caught up in there being a parallel to the second duel I forgot how griffith dislocated his arm in their first :0

Oh damn I didn’t think of that either! god, Femto like, say, straight up ripping Guts’ arm off would be so good with that comparison to the first duel, I love this.

Like tell me reminding Guts of how they met and how Guts first joined him while genuinely intending to torturously destroy him wouldn’t completely fuck Guts up.

and like the idea of Femto playing with Guts like a cat w/ a mouse right up til Skull Knight saves him? Done the right way that could be v effectively horrific imo.

you know what also would’ve been a better ending to the eclipse guts and griffith having a third duel in order for casca and guts to get a chance to live with femto being to the one to personally sever his arm as a way of giving him a permanent scar in the vein of the one griffith had one his shoulder from their second duel

ugh sorry for being such a nerd lol but that scar is an anime only thing, in the manga it’s two parallel scratch marks

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which makes more sense imo bc like, there’s no way he’d have a scar from a wound he got earlier that day, and it seems like Guts’ sword doesn’t quite touch him. so I basically think the anime production just interpreted the image wrong.

BUT me being an annoying pedant aside lol I think the idea of Femto personally wounding Guts is interesting and def more compelling, and it kinda makes me wish Griffith did get wounded in one of their duels because the concept of them both having scars from the other is gr8.

And tbh while I actually kind of like the silent menacing vibe we got in the Eclipse, rape aside obviously (so like… the 3 pages of Femto looking cool and badass I guess lmao), I also loved the smug asshole vibe we got in the Black Swordsman arc, and I could easily see Black Swordsman Femto dickishly goading/forcing Guts into a hopeless fight. Would’ve also had that echo of Gambino trying to kill him, and I love parallels like that.

I still hope to see a third duel at some point but having one during the Eclipse would’ve been waaaaay better than what we got, it’s a cool concept. ty!

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For a post coital small talk thing I imagine Griffith maybe bringing up maybe a favorite game he used to play as a kid or a toy he used to be attached to. I also see them maybe laughing about some of the funny moments that happens in the Band of Hawks when they’re not in battle but at their camp site. I also see Griffith talking about something he read in a book or maybe he mythology he likes or a person he looks up to. He would definitely try to get Guts to talk more
About his thoughts.
When it comes to Guts I’m not quite sure what he would talk about. I’m
inclined to say maybe a happy moment that wasnt really all that
significant but nice that happened to Guts. Griffith is the only person
Guts would let himself be vulnerable to and vice versa so I do see him
talking about more personal subjects though I dont think Guts would be a
fan of talking about heavy subjects after him and Griffith just
finished doing the horizontal cha cha

So yeah I do see Guts talking about
minor nice momenta he had in his childhood. The things he talks about
arent significant but the fact that he is willing to discuss them is
what’s important since Guts is secretive about his childhood.

this is so heartwarming tbh, especially the idea of guts talking about a nice moment of his childhood, i could see that (idk what it would be, but yk i’m sure he must have /some/) and it feels like it would be a really touching counterpoint to being triggered (in canon, or in a previous time w/ griffith in this hypothetical scenario, yk).

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Griffith definitely tries to prompt guts into talking more and more (he tacks on “and…?” to guts one word answers) bc he loves guts as a person and listening to him talk about anything even like… what he had for lunch today (evening quickies :/) or dirt or whatever. vice versa too like u said. i think its a lot of personal and seemingly meaningless stuff sometimes that feels very intimate. just like griffith commenting on his nail beds that he pick and raising his hand to guts face to show
griffith also likes to
spring shit on guts when hes feeling especially vulnerable and bold
post coital. nothing serious but “how do you think id look in a dress?”
or “have you played strip poker before?” or the dreaded “was that good
for you too?”

yesssss i love this! griffith just listening starry eyed to guts talking about the sandwich he had for lunch or w/e. and uggh while i’m so bad at thinking of examples i love the thought of them just talking about nothing in particular.

and the question thing is so weirdly perfect? like one part wanting to fill the silence afterwards, one part getting like, mild emotional security listening to guts talk about something afterwards, and one part just being freer w/ his words/thoughts after sex. idk i love it. ty!

do you have any… griffguts pillow talk ideas… i think griff likes listening to guts talk(i keep sending you questions im sowwee but your scholarly opinions matter)

lol now this… i have absolutely nothing. what do people talk about? what do people in weird fantasy medieval times talk about? what do griffith and guts talk about when it’s not plot related? ??? ????????????

idk like, i could see them pretentiously philosphizing together but probably not right after sex. talking about their day? griffith maybe would, idt guts would. idt guts is that small-talk-y. he can go on for sure, but it’s mainly self-reflection and philosophical stuff. (then again he has done that after sex in canon, so)

but like ignoring the question of conversation topics, i def think griffith would like listening to guts talk, and vice versa. i could see griffith asking guts questions to try to get him to talk about something he’s interested in. and guts would be happy to listen to griffith talking about… idk whatever. serious topics, self-reflective ones, or what kind of tea he had that day with which asshole nobleman he had to humour, or whatever.

do you have any ideas about what they’d casually chat about?

do you have… any griffith topping for the first time/in general thoughts asia?

it would definitely be a big relationship milestone.

guts would be the one to ask for it. griffith… hm idk whether he’d be outwardly reluctant, but i think he would definitely be trepidatious, like, i think he’d be irrationally terrified of triggering guts, especially while topping him, even if guts reassures him that even if he freaks out it’s be nbd in the grand scheme of things and they can just try again another time.

i’m assuming that like canon guts has already been triggered during sex at least once and therefore they know it’s a possibility.

so griffith would be super slow and careful and pull out all the stops to make it as good as possible, setting the mood, making out/foreplay beforehand, mb rimming, blowing him while slowly fingering him, etc.

and I think Guts would love that btw, he might roll his eyes and tell Griffith to hurry up but he would be so into being slowly and thoroughly made love to. all griffith’s focus and energy being directed at him. he wouldn’t be v responsive though lol, i could see griffith asking for reassurance 50 times and guts like, ‘yes it’s great, you’re amazing, get on with it’ because I just don’t see guts as all that vocal in bed.

also i like to think that it goes perfectly fine, at least the first time. i don’t think one flashback and pouring his heart out once would actually fix guts’ childhood trauma lol, i’m sure he’ll be triggered more than once in his life, but ptsd flashbacks aren’t exactly super predictable afaik and i mean it would just be nice if guts enjoyed his first time bottoming.

and then afterwards griffith would just be super blown away by guts trusting him enough to ask him to fuck him, and tbh i think it would be a bigger deal to griffith than guts, like it wouldn’t be meaningless or anything to guts, but i think he’d downplay it a bit.

a few years down the line they start occasionally playing rock paper scissors to decide who has to top lol. though overall i think guts would still top more often, less because of trauma and more because i just hc him w/ more verse tendencies than griffith.

ETA and I just noticed you also asked in general not just first time, so I also want to add that I think Griffith wouldn’t be super into topping. He’d be into Guts wanting him, but along w/ my sub Griffith hcs I think that he’d prefer to lay back and experience rather than create the experience for Guts, yk? he’d find topping stressful. otoh I think he would absolutely do it if Guts wanted it and he wouldn’t really think of it like that to himself, he wouldn’t think of topping as something that stresses him out and makes him overthink lol, he’d just put too much effort into it and wouldn’t really be able to relax and enjoy the experience.

Like I can see where top and/or powerbottom Griffith comes from, and I could def see Griffith taking charge during sex (particularly power bottoming, esp when they first get together. Griff on top, riding Guts, controlling the pace and initiating things, etc), I think he’d be p good at it too, but I don’t think he’d prefer it, basically.

hbu, what are your Thoughts?

(1/2)Was thinking in a canon au if Griff and Guts actually did confess to each other or accidentally find out about each other’s feelings(which is more likely) they would end up becoming sooo awkward around each other, they wouldn’t really know what to do or act around each other for A while. And everyone in the band of hawks are gonna wonder why they’re acting weird around each other or not hanging out with each other as often as usual. Casca would be the only one to know what’s going on.

(2/2) I actually see Casca being the one giving them the helpful push
they need since those two idiots won’t do it themselves. Like she would
be hurt and upset at first but being that she loves Griffith and always
puts his happiness and desires before her own and plus she cares about
his mental health, she would do what she’s to do to help him get what he
wants. In this case getting Guts to break the ice with Griffith. 

Ooh I could really easily see this tbh.

I mean like, think of say an AU where Guts never heard the Promrose Hall speech, but still ended up falling off a cliff with Casca and asking her what her deal is. Casca tells him the same story, complete with talking about how jealous she is of him and it’s almost as if… as if…

except without the memory of the speech getting in the way Guts actually gets it.

And then awkwardness ensues for a while and Griffith is maybe hurt by Guts’ sudden shift in attitude (maybe Guts is avoiding him bc he’s trying to sort his own feelings out) and now that Casca and Guts have bonded a little she gets pissed off at him for accidentally acting like a dick and they talk and Guts has a revelation during their conversation. Or something. Yk, a mild version of what she tells him in canon, without the stabbing.

Or maybe for a somewhat angstier, more drawn out version, Guts and Griffith end up making out at some point for whatever reason (impulsive thank god you’re alive kiss, drunk, intimate late night talk and it just happens, whatever) but afterwards Griffith freaks out because he has a life plan and his life plan doesn’t include falling in love with Guts but if he acknowledges his attraction to him he can’t deny the rest of his feelings anymore and the sudden realization of how intense his feelings are throws him for a loop and he tells Guts it was a mistake, he has a princess to seduce and a kingdom to attain, yadda yadda yadda.

And then Griffith overcompensates. Takes a stupid irrational risk(s) to win the war/achieve the dream. Maybe it works out, maybe it’s a setback, maybe plot things ensue. Things are weird and awkward between him and Guts and everyone can see it, some of them connect the dots between that and how Griffith’s been acting lately, and finally Casca’s like, okay what the fuck, if someone doesn’t fix this we’re all screwed, and rolls up her sleeves.

lol idk why I’m throwing plot outlines out in response to this ask lol, but idk it’s a good concept that feels like something that would happen in canon, feels good feels organic.

I mean in canon Casca’s role veers from griffguts commentator/attempted facilitator to emotional/physical bridge between them, and l b r here the former role is by far kinder and less horrible to her. Let her do her perceptive thing and help them get together, and then she maintain good platonic friendships with them, grow on her own, then get a girlfriend.

win/win.

also ngl I love the trope where everyone in the immediate circle can see something’s going on between the awkward not-couple. which is another thing berserk has in canon to an extent and another reason I love it and this scenario works so well lol.

aight… hopefully ill stop bugging you after this but like in any established relationship like canon or modern HOW do you think griffguts actually initiates sissy bdsm au like do they talk about it is it the culmination of spontaneous decisions or?

lol i appreciate u bugging me bc i need excuses to talk about this kinda thing

ummmmm good question tho lmao

I’m going to throw out some ideas for a canon au concept, bc I feel like I’m on more solid ground there, like the way my brain works I can’t rly conceptualize modern au griffguts unless I intricately map out like the whole world they’re inhabiting, backstories, how everyone fits in, etc lol.

So like, canon au where Guts assassinated Julius without a hitch, never heard the Promrose Hall speech, and inevitably hooked up with Griffith bc lbr here if he never heard that speech there’s no way in hell they’re not getting together at some point. You can like take it as read as far as I’m concerned ngl. And
I think it’s better or at least easier if it starts in an established relationship, just bc I
think griffguts trying to start out kinky would be disastrous lol. they
need to have sorted thru some shit together first.

1. tried and true sparring turns into more cliche. they get really into it one day, end up losing their swords and rolling around in the grass until guts pins griffith down, and griffith or both of them are like, ok this is a thing. next time they fuck griffith starts working on trying to get guts to do it again. and thinking about it as an extention of sparring might actually make it easier and more fun for guts tbh.

2. once griffith gets comfortable with being in a relationship with guts, starts letting himself fantasize about him, etc, he’d start to focus on how big and strong guts is, how good in battle he is, and things would just escalate from there. Then he’d start suggesting stuff in bed like guts holding him down and trying to get guts into it.

(also: griffith falling into a guts-as-an-opposing-warlord-who-defeats-him-in-battle-and-takes-him-prisoner fantasy. js js.)

(actually that would probably disturb griffith afterwards since he’d be getting off to a fantasy of his dream being taken away. but yk, that only makes it better and more interesting so)

3. he could read about bondage or w/e in one of his many educational books lmao and go ‘ohhhh yeah i want that.’

4. curveball: guts starts it by being kind of a cocky brat in bed, jerking griffith off slowly to make him squirm, ignoring griffith when he tells him to get on with it already, pushing his hands away when he tries to do it himself, etc. griffith realizes he’s actually really into guts flaunting power over him.

Tho in every scenario I think it’s probably more likely that Griffith just tries to encourage Guts to exert some physical power over him in bed, at least at first, rather than having an actual mature talk about what they both want lol. Less, “hey Guts I have this idea, how would you feel about it?” and more “hey so I happen to have this rope under my pillow”

and then Guts would actually initiate the mature conversation about it lol, because Guts is just way better at talking about feelings.

more thoughts on sweet/light bdsm griffguts… hard agree with nev thatd griffith would like being blindfolded too especially the sensory deprivation and also like guts covering up his eyes which are his thing and remained unblemished even after being tortured for a year wow the symbolism. also i think a lot of their sessions would be spent doing more non sexual things before eventually building up to sex, especially if griffith is really wound up. guts still tells him what to do-

and holds some sort of power or control over him. like i could see guts
blindfolding him and making him rest his head on guts thigh and be very
still and not squirm to like “cool down” from whatever funk he was in
while guts strokes his hair and massages his scalp. when he ties his
arms behind his back he spends a lot of time kissing griffs neck and
relishing in the little hitched intakes of breath griffith takes bc hes
still blindfolded and doesnt know where guts is gonna touch him next.
yea.

Yk I was kind of wondering about things like little inconsequential but easy to follow orders (like hold still, or say keeping his hands behind his back, or smthn), and I couldn’t decide whether it would work or not, I think you could go either way. Like on the one hand Griffith is very tightly wound and self-controlled and I feel like being able to lose control and react in a more animalistic way would really suit him, esp Guts seeing him like that and loving it, but then I could also see exerting self-control in situations that don’t matter would like, feel reassuring in a way? Idk I probably prefer the former but the latter is also appealing in its own way.

But also yessss to the blindfold thing. Idek why but the idea of Griffith not able to do anything but wait in anticipation for a touch is so good. I could see that almost pushing his limits actually – like if Guts was too quiet or waited too long without touching him he’d start to freak out about being left alone. I could see Guts being really into it – like Griffith can’t look at him, but every ounce of attention is still focused on him, even moreso bc he can’t see him.

Also can I just say while we’re on this topic, and ok this is kind of a 180 into heavier kink but w/e it’s very fitting in Berserk in particular and it’s still sweet imo lol – scarification. Like yeah I mentioned Guts wouldn’t be willing to hurt Griffith, but I could so see Griffith wanting some kind of permanent symbol of Guts’ intent to keep him, and scars and wounds are such sexual things in this manga lol. Once they were both relatively secure in their relationship or w/e, like after several years lol. Something always on him, like proof that even as a king or a husband or wtfever that first and foremost he’s Guts’, that he would occasionally absently trace over his clothes during important meetings and kingdom-running lol.

And anyway Guts already has a scar from that time Griffith stabbed him, so it would be kind of mutual too.

I feel like there’d need to be a ton of set-up for that lol, but yk assuming this is a happy AU where he somehow realized Guts > dream without being tortured for a year first.

please extrapolate on griffith being a sub and why lmao?

lmao yeah ok i’m in the mood for this

so like, tbh I actually think griffguts would be p vanilla in general, and that post was kind of a joke about how thrilled Griffith was to cede control of his life over to god/fate. BUT if he was into bdsm he would definitely be a sub and not a dom imo

yk some ppl like being responsible for other ppl, like giving orders, like
being in control, so they work to be in that position of power in their
personal and professional lives, but Griffith is def not one of them lol. for Griffith, being in control is a necessary requirement of his dream, and it’s p much canon that he wants a reprieve from it.

so if god is the one who ends up taking the reins in the tragic version of
berserk, in the happy version then obviously Guts is the one who gives Griffith a break from responsibility every night and adds some balance
to his life.

also to maintain this pretentious not-actually-meta take lmao, Griffith’s narrative is basically about wanting to be absolved from
his feelings of guilt. the tragedy of his narrative is that he could’ve
had that through a relationship with Guts, through Guts telling him he
isn’t cruel, through Guts seeing all the things he hates about himself
and loving him anyway, but instead he got it through fate claiming
control over his life and god telling him he’s the chosen one whose
whole existence was dictated since before he was even born.

so i’m js, Griffith relinquishing control to Guts some nights + praise kink = ~thematically resonant~ sex lol

but like to actually go at this from a real character standpoint, imo Griffith’s got way too many self loathing issues to want to hurt/dominate anyone
when he doesn’t have to, and again like, having power is a burden to him. if he
had to dom it would be a chore with a lot of potential to backfire and
add to his self loathing, x1000 if it was someone he loved, ie, Guts.
like, it’s just canon that he doesn’t want to order Guts around lol.

And he’s insecure about whether Guts sees him as cruel, he wants Guts to want him rather than keeping Guts by force, etc, so I think even just consensually domming Guts would light his self loathing up bc it would be like a reenactment of what he fears/hates about himself. Whereas subbing to Guts (w/ the right atmosphere ofc, ie full of praise and tenderness, not like, sadism and degredation) would reassure him that Guts wants him.

To be more detailed, I
think in particular he’d like being tied up and knowing he couldn’t
escape – so struggling and testing his restraints. that visceral feeling
of control being taken away would be good for getting him in the
right head space. Knowing he’s not in control, that he’s ceded control
to someone else for a while, would be a huge part of what he likes about
it.

(I mean considering how extreme Griffith’s issues w/ guilt and responsibility are I think it’s maybe a little silly to think bondage would be theraputically relaxing for him lol, but yk, it still ~feels right~)

And again, praise kink man. Lots of “you’re so good”s and “I
love you like this” etc. Not so much with a focus on looks, but more
just existing? And letting Guts see him so vulnerable and open, and being praised for it, etc.

I
could see him being into pain. Not like as a punishment thing, but as a
way of grounding himself in the physical and distracting himself from
his thoughts by focusing on something. Imo that’s why he self harms. But
I don’t think it would really be like, a healthy thing lol, considering
his self-harming behaviour, and I don’t think Guts would be willing to hurt him
anyway. Instead he’d rather try to overwhelm Griffith with pleasure to drown out his
thoughts. orgasm control and edging, anyone?

Specifically with Guts, he’d be really, really into
being manhandled and rough, fast, desperate sex. The sense that Guts
can’t help but fuck him because he wants him so much. Unfortunately for Griffith, Guts would absolutely not be able to do that lol. At least not for a long time.

Actually
to focus on Guts for a bit, I think he’d be kind of a terrible dom.
Like, i’m ngl, at its core I feel like griffguts is bottom4bottom,
sub4sub lmao, but then there’s like a million mitigating factors, like trauma, and canon shifting power dynamics – like eg if Guts has heard the
promrose hall speech, he would never in a million years sub to Griffith,
while if he hasn’t he’d be more than happy to be ordered to suck his
dick or w/e.

buuut I think if we’re going the bdsm route then
overall Guts would be more comfortable domming than Griffith would be,
and Griffith would want to sub more than Guts would, so there you go.

What
Guts would be into, wrt domming Griffith, would be praising him, would
be feeling powerful, would be knowing Griffith trusts him, and would be
knowing Griffith well enough to be able to drive him wild without being
told what to do lol. And ofc the whole power exchange thing with Griffith being a leader/king/whatever in day to day life but Guts knowing Griffith lets him take control when they’re alone would really satisfy Guts on that deep level where he wants Griffith’s attention/regard imo.

Also imo Guts is more service top if anything,
so it would take a while for him to get to the point where he feels
confident in doing things to Griffith without Griffith’s input and Griffith assuring him he’s into it,  but he’d get there eventually. Which would be important bc if Griffith was telling him what to do the whole time he was tied up it would defeat the purpose.

Ok I think this response is long enough lol.

okay heres another sorta creative ish question because you have good ideas and thoughts and must realize this. i was crying abt how much guts love griffiths broad shoulders and slim hips —-> contemplating guts being closeted gay and the physical attraction he experiences like do you pick up what im putting down bc im interested in your thoughts and opinions on it. its like i want to write but i need to bounce it ofd people first. anyway.

ty i appreciate the encouragement ❤

like guts particularly loving griffith’s more masculine features and maybe angsting about it? bc yeah that sounds like, good and interesting and well-rounded, as opposed to shit like “it’s ok for him to be attracted to griffith because he looks like a girl/griffith as the one exception to guts’ heterosexuality.” Which is not to say that wouldn’t also be interesting, but yk, as an examined part of Guts’ internalized homophobia, not played straight like a lot of ppl tend to do (not so much in griffguts fandom that I’ve seen, I just mean as a gay fic trope in general).

actually the whole general idea of exploring griffith’s androgyny and how guts relates to that wrt internalized homophobia sounds rly potentially interesting. Dealing with recognizing that he’s not just attracted to his long curly hair and full lips, but also his masculinity, and what that means to Guts as a closeted dude who may be still in denial over his sexuality.

(which is not to say that a dude being attracted to a dude’s feminine features isn’t still gay attraction, but i mean from guts’ un-nuanced pov ofc)

I hope this is what you meant lol.

madchen
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replied to your post “what do u think is canon guts deep…”

guts gets so deep sometimes and i love it bc its usually only in reference to griffith and it exposes how thoughtful he really is…. in some of their conversations guts does most of the talking and griffith just listens enraptured bc he loves guts sm
bonus if guts eventually reaches out while talking to tuck a loose strand of hair behind griffs ear… dare i say uh gay?

it’s so true. guts is actually really self-reflective for like… a manly dude protag imo lol, he contemplates his emotions a lot, and pretty much always wrt griffith. like that monologue to judeau and corkus about how dazzling he is? guts having second thoughts after leaving griffith and wondering if he’s leaving something irreplacable behind? guts dedicating his sword to him on that rooftop? 15 yr old guts thinking about how ridic it is for griffith to try getting his own kingdom but deciding that ‘for now…’? guts having an existential crisis during the 100 man fight? the campfire of dreams convo? etc etc etc.

i’m trying to think of examples where he’s sitting around sorting thru his feelings and griffith isn’t involved. and my memory for moments that don’t relate to griffith is admittedly bad, but i can hardly think of anything. maybe some of his cynical religious commentary during the conviction arc. he’s got a few about casca, eg montage monologue about how hard it’s been to travel with her, thinking about how “this shell of who you used to be” reminds him of the good old days, thinking it’s better for farnese to “save” her because guts would only hurt her… but griffith tends to pop up in most of his contemplative moments, including the casca related ones.

also yes. guts gently tucking a strand of hair behind griffith’s ear = high tier content. actually can i just take a sec and be like

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this could’ve happened if the king hadn’t interrupted their moment. they got the romantic breeze blowing and everything.

what do u think is canon guts deep repressed gay fantasy for romantic first date w griffith 🧐 guts is a take it slow kind of guy i think hed die irl if he got to hold griffiths hand while they were walking.

ajd;fsk;ej;ekd i’m so bad at creative thinking lol. but honestly this is a Good topic, I’ll give it a shot.

so ok ummm guts is Into the idea of being with someone he can fight alongside, and i personally think that he’s got a real Thing for being rescued/taken care of/basically given attention and proof that he’s loved. And he’d want to reciprocate in return. (”For your sake, huh? For now… I’ll wield my sword… for his sake.”)

So like, a scenario where he fell off the cliff with Griffith instead of Casca and then they fight the 100 men together, back to back, then basically collapse on each other when it’s over. an excuse for bros to cuddle. and then one kisses the other and guts opens his eyes and realizes he’s hard and has some things to work out for himself.

or maybe a bandaging each others wounds after a fight scenario that gets rly physically intimate.

ty for asking this was fun to think about! if you have Thoughts as well I’m also v interested. also yeah i def see guts wanting to take things v slow once he figures out what he actually wants lol.