this is not a hate question i’m genuinely asking, when thinking about AUs how do you justify and form the personalities the characters have in them? bc if you have someone like guts who’s i’d say very largely a product of his environment and trauma it wouldn’t make sense for him to act like he does in canon bc in canon he acts like he does bc of certain reasons. the answer to this can be idc i just write what i want btw i just wanna know if you have something to say abt this :)

This is actually my biggest issue with imagining AUs lol, and why I’m kind of terrible at it.

I mean I think it’s easier for some people to see characters, their personality traits, and transpose them onto another setting, either with different reasons for those personality traits existing, or tweaking those reasons to fit a new setting (eg Guts could’ve still grown up in an abusive home in a modern AU, with a lot of the same issues). I think it takes a certain kind of talent to be able to like, know what to emphasize and what to downplay to make it work and make the characters feel IC in different settings while discouraging the readers from asking too many questions lol. But it’s a talent I absolutely don’t have.

Like if I was writing a griffguts f/f au fic (to take inspiration from that last ask), I have no idea what I’d do. I’d have to spend forever carefully figuring out exactly how to change their backgrounds to make sense and keep them in character. Like you could maybe argue that if Guts showed a willingness to fight/kill at a young age and a talent for it Gambino might still keep her around and teach her to use a sword bc he doesn’t really give a fuck as long as she can help him make money. Idk how believable that is, but it’s like, theoretically possible. If Casca can lead the Hawks Griffith could lead the Hawks as a woman, but ascending to the throne within the system just wouldn’t work in Berserk’s setting, she’d have to go full on Xena-esque warlord and forcibly take a kingdom. Which would still change her character significantly bc she’d be way darker. Her focus would be 100% military rather than focused on political machinations.

She could still be driven by a combination of childish determination and guilt tho at least? Idk my point is that there are a million things to consider in AUs and my problem is that I feel like I have to consider all of them bc I have a nitpicky analytical brain lol, I’d get stuck on all the details, while other people are good at just pinpointing the important stuff and focusing on that and making it work. So I’m basically with you lol, and when ppl ask me about stuff like AU ideas and whatever my answers tend to be kind of shallow bc of this.

Also this is why my favourite AUs to think about tend to be canon AUs/for want of a nail stuff where it’s the same as canon but a character made a different choice or something didn’t happen or whatever. It’s so much simpler.

How different do you think Berserk’s story would have been if Miura wrote Griffith as a girl instead of a boy? And made Casca a boy instead of a girl? Do you think we would have gotten some typical love triangle crap, or do you think Miura would have done something original?

Well Griffith trying to ascend to the throne thru military feats and heroism would ruin Miura’s ye olde sexism vibe, so he’d either have to boil Griffith’s whole narrative down to just seducing a prince thereby changing the entire plot, or go full (less campy) xena-esque historical fantasy where misogyny just isn’t really a problem. Which would actually be awesome, and if Guts was a woman too that would be the ideal story lol.

Also obviously Guts/Griffith would be considered canon. Like even if it was the exact same level of subtext as the actual story, Berserk would be known first and foremost as a tragic dark romance, and the fact that it’s full of blood and action would be considered secondary. No one in the world would read it and think Guts and Griffith were just platonic friends. I mean, I guess if I were reading it I’d deliberately choose to see them as platonic friends lol, but even I’d know they’re supposed to be in love.

I mean like, if this scene was hetero it would instantly seal the deal on their inevitable romance lbr, you’d be called delusional if you didn’t acknowledge it:

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And it’s just one moment out of so many lol.

Bringing Casca into the picture, Miura would go just as hard or harder on the Guts vs Casca as romantic rivals vibe. They probably wouldn’t have a bonding moment followed by burgeoning friendship tho, and obviously they wouldn’t hook up. I figure they’d remain standoffish and surly until the Eclipse, at which point something else would drive Casca insane and Guts could still eventually grow as a person by choosing to take him to Elfhelm bc he’s all that remains of the Hawks or w/e. Or more likely he’d die and something else would drive Guts’ Millenium Falcon narrative.

I don’t think there’d be much subtext between Guts and Casca in this theoretical version of Berserk, bc if Casca can’t be Guts’ actual love interest and no homo bridge between Guts and Griffith, what would his role in the story even be, other than the dude who brings Guts’ insecurities out (ie Casca’s pre-romance role). The story’s all about Guts and Griffith, making it het just cuts out the middle man.

On the other hand, if Guts and Casca did still eventually become friends and eventually Casca became the symbol of Guts’ humanity and way of distracting himself from Griffith, I might ship it lol. I can’t lie, I’d actually hate griffguts if it was het, especially if Griffith was a woman, and I’d be searching for an alternative. The narrative about destroying yourself and your ambition because you fell in love would be extremely not my thing if it was a woman falling for a dude, Griffith sacrificing Guts for her dream in this case would probably make me cheer lol, and I’d be first in line to suggest that NeoGriffith’s feelings aren’t real.

So idk I guess my answer to your question is that it would probably still be love triangle-y, but instead of Guts and Casca getting together the focus would stay on Guts and Griffith, probably with Casca as a more minor character. And the plot wouldn’t necessarily have to change, but the setting would to an extent, if we accept that a woman could become a war hero as part of a rise to power.

Also a lot of details would almost certainly change, like Casca’s backstory of being rescued by Griffith and hero worshipping her. I imagine Miura would be more likely to emphasize the protective aspect, and have Casca fall in love after seeing Griffith vulnerable, after joining the Hawks just because. Griffith saving Guts and Guts feeling like he’s found his home could be the same, but if Griffith is a woman I wonder if Guts’ backstory would change a bit to emphasize his mother – maybe instead of dying she’d take off. Yk, that kind of change.

My preference would be to change very little just on principle tbh, but I’m trying to think of what Miura would do lol. Anyway idk, this is getting long so I’ll end my answer here.

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i just like to think of him as being really into analyzing literature and philosophy is all but also i might be projecting 😦

i mean to be fair one of the few things we know about griffith that doesn’t seem intrinsically connected to his dream is that he likes to read

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so I don’t think it’s a stretch

ETA: 

@madchen said: and yeaaaa i think he’s potentially a
perfectionist with goals but otherwise interprets his love for guts as
want/need bc that’s the lens he viewed the other big thing in his life
for so long

also yeah def, and I really love that moment actually where griff is like “i must obtain the things i desire” bc griffith spends 10 minutes with guts and guts is already up there with his dream on griffith’s list of important life goals.

madchen
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i have more thoughts but yea i think griffiths possessiveness is a childish interpretation of love on his part… i think he could also be possessive and obsessive to a extent bc he has that kind of personality but only over serious situations like u said. i also totally hc griffith as borderline so yea.
i actually think
griffith would enjoy english and sociology and literature.. like i read
him as a humanities person over a stem person as far as modern liberal
education (in the us tbh) goes! he’s still smart so he could def go into
a science but i don’t think it would be his true passion or interest!

yeah that’s a good way of putting it. that ‘i must obtain the things i desire’ where he like, sees guts and decides he needs him in his life the same way he saw a castle and decided he wanted it when he was a kid. He doesn’t like jump from obsession to obsession or anything, he has a grand total of two things he’s ever wanted in 20 or w/e years of life, but man does he want them lol.

also yeah I kind of like the idea of Griffith being into science bc it’s not something I usually think of and it’s cute to think of him geeking out over biology or something lol, but yeah I think of him as more into humanities by default. or politics/law if we’re going for more of a still-obsessed-with-an-ambition angle.

How bout a college AU between Guts and Griffith? I’m thinking they end up being dorm mates and that’s how they first meet. Griffith possibly majoring in Biology or Chemistry. While Guts is undeclared and doesn’t quite know why he’s even there. Griffith being intrigued by Guts because he’s not like usual students on the campus and c’mon he finds Guts attractive. They maybe go on a few study dates and a few romantic ones around the campus.

Second part of college AU  I don’t think they’d actually get deeply
romantically and sexually interested (at least Guts) until their junior
or senior year. Griffith is shameless often showing Guts off to family
and friends and just everybody in 5 mike radius. I still think they’re
relationship would be complicated and maybe even toxic. I feel like
Griffith would still be really fearful of Guts leaving him and always
needs confirmation. While also being jealous and obsessive a lot of the
time.

lol I’d have to imagine this set this in a country with free higher education bc I can’t see Guts either going on scholarships or digging himself into debt just for the hell of it. But yk what they’re in medieval Europe in canon, so why not put them in modern day idk, denmark or whatever?

That aside, they’d both totally be into each other at first sight. w/ modern aus I feel like there’s a lot more freedom to have them actually recognize and act on their attraction a lot quicker than in canon, but they could both still have trauma complicating things.

Though without an all-consuming dream I think Griffith would be a lot more forthcoming about his own feelings. The dream is the source of like 90% of his canon stupidity lol, his inability to understand his feelings because he refuses to acknowledge he has any because he has to be the perfect leader because of the dream, eg. Though I think he’d still have elements of self-loathing without the dream, esp if he still has csa trauma in his past, so there’s a basis for a fear of rejection.

Also I could see Griffith being obsessive/possessive – that just seems like a part of Griffith’s childishness and something inherently him – but I don’t think he’d demonstrate it day-to-day. In canon he’s very chill 99% of the time, so in a modern au I think you’d only be able to tell how intense his feelings actually are in really significant moments. Otherwise it would manifest in just like, wanting to drag Guts out on pseudo coffee dates all the time or something lol. Little things that Guts would respond really well to because he rly wants that feeling of being wanted.

And they both have serious issues with perceived rejection which could fuck things up for them in a modern AU too. But again, I don’t think it’s constant, I think it’s something that comes out in bigger moments. Guts, say, telling Griffith he’s too busy to hang out today wouldn’t bother Griffith, but eg Guts deciding to get his own apartment would freak Griffith tf out. And likewise, Griffith having a social life that doesn’t involve Guts wouldn’t bother Guts, but Griffith eg ditching Guts bc he has to network would make him extremely broody and insecure.

Also I think either of them dating someone else before they’re officially together would send the other into a tailspin of seething jealousy. imo moreso in a modern AU than in canon because the two of them getting together is a more easily recognized possibility than in canon. Also if Griffith knows he’s gay in a modern AU and dates another dude before Guts, that might be a good catalyst for Guts realizing he’s super jealous bc he’s in love with Griffith.

Idk I just wanted to like muse aloud based on your asks lol, ty for sharing your ideas!

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My brain saw this and became twisted in knots…like…some sort of alternate universe where Griffith is trying to gain a kingdom, but to do so it would be best to marry into a powerful noble family (closely related to the royal bloodline + with a vested interest to overthrow the current royals) and gain their support? And the best candidate happens to be…Guts? (Guts as a noble is hard for me to imagine but regardless…wait, now I’m picturing peasant (mercenary?) Charlotte to complete the…
sort-of roleswap.) That’s the best I can do for now…

omgggg i kind of love this take on it. charlotte vs guts roleswap is a galaxy level concept.

like, griffith starts trying to seduce guts thinking he’ll be typical snooty asshole nobility/royalty and then gets to know him, realizes he just comes across as haughty bc he’s anti-social but is actually down to earth and extremely skilled with a sword and informal and idk mb he’s so chill because he’s like the 3rd born and never thought he’d actually end up w/ real power but then half his family died of the plague or something, etc, and the point is griffith just totally falls for him

or maybe he’s a lost scion who grew up the way guts grew up b4 being identified and returned to his family. but lmfao that’s prob too much ridiculousness on top of this already ridic premise, that’s just a fish out of water comedy at that point.

or heeeeey judeau mentioned second sons of nobility joining the hawks, maybe guts spent some time mercenarying anyway just for the hell of it, before his brother(s) died and he had to give it up

(also this opens interesting doors for charlotte/casca… js js)

sub space griffith. just spreading good vibes.

this was a good thing to come home from work and see lol ty

(established relationship canon au where griffith and charlotte have arranged themselves a lavender marriage and the whole focus of an epic length story is guts and griffith slowly but surely working all the kinks out of and into their sex life. like i s2g every time i think about these 2 having sex there are fifty potential land mines and hazards and ways everything could go very wrong but also ways everything could go very right. there’s so much material there!

like just reading this ask made me think about how badly griffith could crash afterwards like the first few times. just from like, getting too into it to think and existing blissfully in the moment for an hour or two and therefore second guessing everything all at once when his brain comes back online after.

but then eventually he would just be able to enjoy losing himself during sex with no misgivings and that would be a genuinely significant bit of character development for him lol.)

Arranged marriage AU between Griffith and Guts

I gotta admit, I got nothin lol. This is like so different from canon my limited imagination can’t even begin to conceive of it. Like, in a world w/out heteronormativity where guts and griffith both have families w/ some amount of power (or idk have peasants ever done arranged marriages? i always think of it as an upper class thing), I’m already totally lost at sea.

If you want to throw some more ideas for this at me plz do tho, I’m intrigued, just not really capable of coming up wtih anything myself lol.

Okay, but can we go back to the AU Guts where he buys Griffith hella tea. Like just imagine Guts going into a tea shop and being so overwhelmed by how many flavors of tea they have. “Oolong is a thing? Rooibos tea? What is half this shit?” He ends up buying like 15 teas just to be safe. I imagine Griffith would really appreciateGuts for listening to what he likes, but feels bad because he doesn’t like half the flavors he got. Griffith still drinks most of them. Guts ends up finishing up thetea

ngl i’d read this fic.

also yk I think Griffith would be a little overwhelmed @ guts going out of his way just to do something nice for him too, at least if this is early on in their relationship. I see Griffith as v like… he feels like all affection/respect/love/whatever he gets has to be won or earned, is given as a response to what he can do for them. so Guts just doing something nice for him bc he’s thinking about him would rly surprise him.

madchen
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he can wear suits and slacks and stuff i just think it’s criminal that theres next to no griffith in dresses/skirt content bc hed look incredible wtf…
guts likes it be Thighs

strong agree

@yesgabsstuff said:
Omg lady cop Casca 

she would look so good in the uniform so i’m ok with this. also i think there’d be good potenital there for her to get disillusioned. corruption, maintaining of the status quo, etc.

1. Griffith as some kind of politician in an AU as it would bring up moral dilemmas and a need to marry for public appearances rather than love and 2. Gruff guts and casca are true goth/jock/prep solidarity with griffith being prep/goth casca being jock/prep and guts being goth/jock thanks for listening to my pointless rambles

lol ty for sending them, they’re fun!

1. yeah i think politics is an easy shoe-in for a modern au griffith career choice. depressing, but v fitting.

2. lmao you’re not wrong

Modern AU Griffith knows how to braid extremely well. He is very fond of fishtail braids, French braid, Dutch braid, and cornrows. After learning that Griffith has a liking for tea, Guts bought him 100 dollars worth of tea because he didn’t quite know which flavor he liked. Poor Guys didn’t know that there was a lot more than green tea and chamomile. Casca once shaved the side of her head after a guy made a comment about how short hair was ugly on women. She became sort of like an icon after.

These are all fantastic, ty!

Lol Casca would be that amount of petty and honestly #relatable. and lol Guts trying hard to spoil Griffith with no finesse is adorable.

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griffith wear knits and boots
high pony tail

occasional skirt

nice! also sorry i keep adding this stuff to your comments lol but i’m getting all invested in this nonexistent character arc of modern au griffith making peace w/ himself and dropping the conformity act and going full somewhat fem house husband

also speaking of hair now i’m thinking modern griffith w/ his long perfect hair as like, the one thing he just can’t bring himself to change to be more conventional and masc in whatever career path he’s taking.

Heyyy Modern AU anon!! Thanks for answering and yeah I totally see Guts as doing a job that’s more Physical, like a construction worker or even a logging job. Griffith I’ve always imagined him doing something in the medical field. Possibly pharmacologist or some sort of medical scientist. But before he starts his job I can imagine him doing some volunteer work in college. Also, sense Casca demands respect from her peers, I can imagine it’d be a job in law enforcement or in the justice system.

Part two) I think you’re right aboutGuts being casual as fuck,
but I feel like he does have a few nice outfits stored in the back of
his closet.  For Casca, I think it’d depend on the day and situation.
But it’d be kind of androgynous, but still kind of feminine. For
Griffith, I’m seeing a lot of grey, white, and black clothes. I think
he’d wear a lot of things like turtlenecks, slacks, sweaters, button
ups, and plain t shirts. Maybe a few that have a cause he supports. Idk
how’d they’d meet

Hi again! Ooh yeah these thoughts are all gr8. I’ve never thought of Griffith in
sciences/medicine before but that’s a really interesting
concept. I could see him obsessing over research now that you bring up that whole area of things? And yeah agree for Casca and Guts, both of those job ideas seem
like they’d be good fits. I like the idea of Casca as a blue collar
worker but you’re right I could see her aiming for something that gives her more power and respect.

And yeah all those style concepts work for me. I don’t have much to add bc honestly I know 0 about fashion/style lol, but it makes sense, and like yeah I could see Guts with a few suits and collared shirts for special occasions. Especially after he meets Griffith he might try a bit harder on dates eg lol.

Ty for sharing your ideas!

I know this is a stupid ass question, but if Guts, Casca, and Griffith lived in the modern work. (Like 2018 rn) what kind of relationship would they have with each other, what jobs would they have, and what would their clothing style be like it? I can’t help, but think they’d be fairly different in a modern world.

chaoticgaygriffith:

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not a stupid question at all, I’ve seen a lot of gr8 modern au concepts and idk it’s fun to think about

Personally tho I am super not creative lol so I kind of really suck at this kind of thing. I want to like, think of stuff that’s exactly the same as canon but modern, but when there are no modern equivalents (like swinging a sword? wtf can guts do today that fills the same niche?) i’m at a loss lol, and then it all falls apart.

I can throw out some ideas though. Like I think Guts will always be casual as fuck, t-shirt and jeans style. Casca would appear well put together but only bc she’s got a good grasp of basics and classics, idt she’d follow fashion. Griffith would be meticulously dressed to fit whatever niche he’s trying to rise up into.

Though in a modern au Griffith presumably wouldn’t’ve been getting people killed since he was a kid and therefore he might not be nearly as driven to succeed at something as he is in canon, and therefore he might channel his urge to change the world into something a little more chill, like volunteering.

But then again maybe he still feels the need to push himself bc it’s ultimately a way for him to justify his existence bc he hates himself, and he can still hate himself without blood on his hands, so he could end up like, working his whole life to succeed, going to a top university on a scholarship, studying law or something.

Either way he’d follow fashion and look the part.

Also like, would Casca still be doing something “masculine”? I mean ngl I like to picture her as a carpenter or something, v blue collar, biceps, jeans and a tool belt. that might be a little self indulgent of me tho lol, but yk what, idc, it’s good. Would she still idolize Griffith? Did Griffith still help her in some way when they were kids?

Guts… lol idk, mma fighting? personal trainer? trucker? maybe driving is his zen. stunt driver? some kind of sport?

Also it’s hard to figure out how they’d know each other lol since they’re all such different people. I remember thinking of au ideas once with @yesgabsstuff and @mastermistressofdesire where the concept was that they all met in group therapy lol, which lbr is probably the most fitting way to update berserk’s setting bc god knows they all need it, and it’s an idea I’m still p fond of. Like it’s nice to imagine them in a world where they can actually constructively deal with their many many issues lol.

Though I mentioned volunteer work, so maybe Griffith runs a non-profit w/ Casca as his right hand woman, and he gets Guts to volunteer his time or skills for a money raising campaign or smthn thru a bet.

Or hey they’re all gay, maybe in a modern au they’re less repressed and they meet at pride or the local gay bar.

Or maybe the Hawks are a softball team. or it’s a college au and they’re a dnd group lol. (the idea of evil as the gm. a terrible gm that completely railroads the plot and creeps everyone out.) (tho i really can’t imagine any of them getting into dnd lol)

Anyway yeah I can’t rly come up with anything more coherent than this lol, there are too many possibilities.

if other ppl want to jump in and add ideas plz do

I’m just gonna add that whenever I think about modern AUs Guts & Casca are either siblings or best friends, I just really love their dynamic when it’s stripped of the forced romance bullshit

Griffith would hopefully be more chill but still successful for sure. In every AU he was born for some sort of greatness, except in the good ones it doesn’t weigh on him like a boulder and he can focus more on his true passion which is bringing about change that helps humanity as a whole

I know this is a stupid ass question, but if Guts, Casca, and Griffith lived in the modern work. (Like 2018 rn) what kind of relationship would they have with each other, what jobs would they have, and what would their clothing style be like it? I can’t help, but think they’d be fairly different in a modern world.

not a stupid question at all, I’ve seen a lot of gr8 modern au concepts and idk it’s fun to think about

Personally tho I am super not creative lol so I kind of really suck at this kind of thing. I want to like, think of stuff that’s exactly the same as canon but modern, but when there are no modern equivalents (like swinging a sword? wtf can guts do today that fills the same niche?) i’m at a loss lol, and then it all falls apart.

I can throw out some ideas though. Like I think Guts will always be casual as fuck, t-shirt and jeans style. Casca would appear well put together but only bc she’s got a good grasp of basics and classics, idt she’d follow fashion. Griffith would be meticulously dressed to fit whatever niche he’s trying to rise up into.

Though in a modern au Griffith presumably wouldn’t’ve been getting people killed since he was a kid and therefore he might not be nearly as driven to succeed at something as he is in canon, and therefore he might channel his urge to change the world into something a little more chill, like volunteering.

But then again maybe he still feels the need to push himself bc it’s ultimately a way for him to justify his existence bc he hates himself, and he can still hate himself without blood on his hands, so he could end up like, working his whole life to succeed, going to a top university on a scholarship, studying law or something.

Either way he’d follow fashion and look the part.

Also like, would Casca still be doing something “masculine”? I mean ngl I like to picture her as a carpenter or something, v blue collar, biceps, jeans and a tool belt. that might be a little self indulgent of me tho lol, but yk what, idc, it’s good. Would she still idolize Griffith? Did Griffith still help her in some way when they were kids?

Guts… lol idk, mma fighting? personal trainer? trucker? maybe driving is his zen. stunt driver? some kind of sport?

Also it’s hard to figure out how they’d know each other lol since they’re all such different people. I remember thinking of au ideas once with @yesgabsstuff and @mastermistressofdesire where the concept was that they all met in group therapy lol, which lbr is probably the most fitting way to update berserk’s setting bc god knows they all need it, and it’s an idea I’m still p fond of. Like it’s nice to imagine them in a world where they can actually constructively deal with their many many issues lol.

Though I mentioned volunteer work, so maybe Griffith runs a non-profit w/ Casca as his right hand woman, and he gets Guts to volunteer his time or skills for a money raising campaign or smthn thru a bet.

Or hey they’re all gay, maybe in a modern au they’re less repressed and they meet at pride or the local gay bar.

Or maybe the Hawks are a softball team. or it’s a college au and they’re a dnd group lol. (the idea of evil as the gm. a terrible gm that completely railroads the plot and creeps everyone out.) (tho i really can’t imagine any of them getting into dnd lol)

Anyway yeah I can’t rly come up with anything more coherent than this lol, there are too many possibilities.

if other ppl want to jump in and add ideas plz do

Thank you for your opinion on who would be dom and who would be sub. I said dom!griffith sub!Guts just because of the fact that Griffith is a natural born leader and I feel like he’d want to be in control. Also, because of his Possessiveness over Guts. I mean I think it could go either way with Griffith being the dom or Guts being the dom in the sexual relationship. I do think they’d switch every blue moon. I don’t think I explained very well 😂😂 but those are my thoughts. Btw I love ur blog

thank you! and yeah that’s totally fair! We might have slightly different interpretations of Griffith, but that’s just cause he’s a really complex interesting character and there’s a ton of room for emphasizing different aspects of his personality and stuff.

also just as an aside, for like, non-bdsm sexual scenarios I can really easily see Griffith taking the lead, especially at first, because he’s so used to being in control etc. so for me a lot of it depends on like, the scenario, how established their relationship is, etc.

Do you ship dom!Guts x sub!Griffith or dom!Griffith x sub!Guts??? For me it’s the latter, but I wanted your opinion on the matter. Thank you

i’m the opposite lol, for me it’s the former.

I actually have a giant headcanony post on it here if you’re interested in the long self-indulgent explanation focusing on how I feel like it fits with the characters yadda yadda yadda

but i mean lbr ultimately it really just boils down to personal preference and the fact that I like reversing the assumed/social/etc power dynamic when it comes to sex and romance, whether that’s bdsm-y or purely emotional or whatever, and since Griffith tends to have more power by default (hawk commander, promoted to nobility, guts looking up at him and striving to be his equal, eventual demigod) I like the idea of reversing that when it comes to emotional + sexual feelings for Guts.

Plus canon has this moment which is basically whatiloveinaship.jpg

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Hard not to take that and run with it.

Also if you want to share your perspective I’m interested in what appeals to you about dom!Griff/sub!Guts!

ALSO ngriff getting sacrificed by guts could be like… depicted as a contrast between the hawks and the godhand, how he exchanged one family for another, because the godhand would find that hilarious and presumably they would be the ones to kill him, or enable monster guts to kill him as per the sacrifice, or whatever. so yk it also harks back to what griffith gave up when he sacrificed the hawks.

what would you like to change in berserk? actually im asking how the story would work without using rape as a plot device but also in general (characterization, plot etc.)

Ooh this is an interesting question, ty!

I wouldn’t change either Guts or Griffith’s backstories tbh, I think they’re actually pretty well done, and important to their characters and narratives without being the be all end all. Well, I’d like to make Gennon less of an evil gay stereotype and Donovan less of a scary black man stereotype but yk, other than those details the existence of rape in their backstories isn’t something I’d change.

With Casca… tough call. Her story is all about gendered violence to the point where if you got rid of the rape attempts you’d have to come up with a whole new story for her. But it’s still a shallower and less well-rounded depiction of abuse than either guts or griffith’s backstories, bc it’s so emphatically gendered, like, rather than informing her personality or her choices it’s just framed as being a woman.

So actually I guess for Casca what I’d change is (actually pretty obviously lol) her motivations. She’s not in love with Griffith, she idealizes his dream because she knows he wants to dismantle those power structures that fuck her over and create a place where those w/ power can’t easily abuse their power over others. She hates Guts not because she’s jealous of him (tho she could still be jealous of his emotional closeness with Griffith, like she’d still admire Griffith here even if she’s not in love with him and I like that rival dynamic), but because she recognizes that he could end up destroying Griffith’s dream.

Also I think we can still cut out most of the rape threats she gets while still showing that she has something to fight against. Maybe keep Adon being a gross dick (in all fairness he kind of mirrors Gennon towards Griffith which kind of shows how they’re fighting for the same dream – ie a world where those kinds of dudes are shut down) but have Casca just fighting for her life rather than against rape attempts as she runs from the 100 man fight.

So nothing really changes much until Guts comes back from his vacation. And now Casca is genuinely, genuinely angry and hateful towards him, because he did exactly what she’s been afraid he was going to do – destroyed Griffith’s dream, and her hope for a better future.

Which means they don’t have sex lol, Casca was never into Guts, they began a friendship towards the end of the war but nothing more. And now that Guts has come back Casca is actively hostile to him, though after Guts lets her stab him she probably forgives him a bit bc it’s not like he intended to destroy absolutely everything, and he’s clearly fucked up about it.

Also no suicide attempt.

So their dynamic during the rescue mission is resentful allies, like a throwback to their first three years knowing each other.

Wyald still happens but no attempted rape w/ Casca obviously.

Now when it comes to the Eclipse, I want it to be all about Guts, and I want it to hit the audience over the head with parallels to his childhood. It’s the Eclipse, it doesn’t need to be subtle. Rather than looking wistful when Griffith sacrifices everyone, I want Guts to look betrayed, I want him to look just as sad and horrified as he did when he was 11 and Gambino told him he sold him to Donovan.

Agh I’d hate to lose the creepy silent monster vibe from Femto, but something like a cold, “you’re still alive?” would be v fitting w/ the “you should have died” parallels. Tho idk I’m torn on that.

And ok I said I want it to be all about Guts but I can’t just kill off Casca. But if she’s gonna live the Eclipse needs some serious personal meaning for her too. So maybe her reaction to being sacrificed, knowing it’s for the dream she’s dedicated her life to and in theory she should be willing to give her life for it, and trying to reconcile that with the horrificness of the situation and her desperate desire to survive anyway. So she survives long enough for Femto to show up, because she’s not the third best fighter in the Hawks for nothing, and then…

torture? Femto has monsters hold Guts down and tortures Casca in a way reminiscent of a kid pulling the wings off a fly. She loses an arm, Guts keeps his because he’s too busy being utterly terrified and possibly flashbacking to hack his own arm off in a rage.

Like, one thing about the Eclipse rape, is that if Miura had to have it as a way of emotionally affecting Guts, how the fuck did he manage to draw like two chapters of awful awful shit with Guts being held down by monsters that he’d just watched rape Casca, and completely fail to allude to Guts’ own rape trauma? How. Hooooow it’s mind boggling. It’s absurd.

But you don’t even need the graphic rape for that, like hell, Miura has absolutely adequately set up the correlation between giant monsters Guts is compelled to fight and his own childhood trauma imo to justify Guts having a very emotional traumatic reaction to just being held down and made helpless by monsters after being essentially given to them.

There’s Black Swordsman Guts in a nutshell, and this is exactly what was implied to have caused him to go full traumatized amoral asshole. Before g*tsca was a gleam in Miura’s eye all he had were those parallels to Guts’ childhood trauma – Guts being given away to monsters by someone he trusted – and that’s all he needed.

So anyway, because Casca lives, she has her own reaction to being casually tortured by Femto before being rescued, which is also a replay of her childhood trauma but without the agency of killing her attacker herself with a sword. So her reaction could very well be similar to Guts’ – a desire to kill monsters and get revenge. Maybe she’s lost her idealism wrt the dream, and she’s more cynical now – a better world is impossible, best you can do is survive this one.

She and Guts go their separate ways because they’re barely friends, let alone lovers, and remember 2 brands = big ghost problems.

After this the narrative splits 3 ways between NGriff, Guts, and Casca.

I’m reaching the limits of my creativity lol. So I’m just gonna suggest that Guts gets the behelit, Casca gets the armour and the rpg group, Casca gets the moving on arc and hooks up with Farnese while maybe finding a happy medium between changing the world and lashing out against the world, and Guts succumbs to his inner darkness and gets a highly emotional confrontation with Griffith. Since he has the behelit maybe he uses it upon realizing that Griffith’s heart is still beating for him, bc the emotional conflict is just too much, and sacrifices Griffith to become a Zodd-esque apostle wandering battlefields and fighting for no reason, basically returned to his pre-Griffith state.

It’s probably shorter than 355 chapters too lbr. I’d say NGriff creates Falconia right before the confrontation with Guts, so yk he achieves his dream b4 ironically getting sacrificed. Otherwise his story doesn’t change much. Maybe stronger suggestions that he’s not as unemotional as he looks, to build up to a guts confrontation better.

Like… I’m not a very creative or good writer lol but I feel this general outline could be written in a very good and satisfying way by someone with talent, like Miura.

chaoticgaygriffith:

#the damn dream is everywhere

@bthump literally the conclusion i came to when i was thinking about scenes in which he was, to some degree, relaxed

i want to like brainstorm personality traits that he didn’t deliberately manufacture to help him achieve his dream now lol.

like yeah, playful. i think he’s naturally confident, charismatic, and a leader type. competitive, but still a graceful loser. empathetic too tbqh, he’s very aware of ppl’s feelings and he genuinely cares, and you’d see that way more if he didn’t constantly bury it lol. also a bit of a mediator? he doesn’t like real interpersonal conflict (his reaction to guts and casca’s rivalry, or casca being pissy at corkus, etc). he still cares what people think of him, dream or no dream imo. but he might take pride in being hated by awful people. i don’t think he’d necessarily try to get everyone to like him – just the people he likes.

would he still be ambitious? if he didn’t have the one dream, would he find another, maybe less soul destroying goal to latch onto? I think he’d still feel a need to prove his worth as a person, to justify his existence by contributing something to the world. but if he didn’t get people killed when he first started maybe he’d be more chill about it. maybe he’d volunteer at a non profit or something instead.

would he still be a complete idiot about his own feelings or would he be more self-aware if he didn’t need to bury his emotions for the sake of his dream? i could def see him being more self-aware, but that’s not as fun lol.

@madchen said:
oh also griffith wants
guts to bridal style carry him when he’s real drunk and refuses to move
at all until guts picks him up he holds his arms outstretched
expectantly and everything 

lmao this is true and adorable

madchen
replied to your post “hey i haven’t sent you an ask in a long while uuuuuu griffiths…”

wwww god i forgot how protective guts is of griffith. its so good and griff secretly loves it sm.

also yea to the wall lifting and arm wrestling
branching off of kink
whatever but it’s much easier to let yourself be taken care of when the
other person is much stronger and bigger than you and can basically wrap
himself all around you. big hugs.

yeah v true and like i think there’s def a part of griffith that’s v repressed that wants to just be taken care of and wrapped in big trustworthy arms

i’m sure i’ve said this b4 but honestly i think a big part of their relationship is about both of them wanting like the support/protection of the other. it’s more obvious w/ guts since griffith leaping into danger for him is a huge important plot thread, but it’s super true for griffith too and his need to have guts by his side “to the end.”

hey i haven’t sent you an ask in a long while uuuuuu griffiths thoughts/feelings on guts muscles/strength? we talked abt guts and griffs hair already so this seems fair

lmao yk how last time I said Griffith’s hair was basically the main focus of Guts’ first impression of him? Same is true of Guts’ strength for Griffith.

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so yk this is like the perfect complement to that ask.

Griffith can say it’s “interesting” and makes Guts “a valuable soldier” all he wants but l b r here there’s a reason Guts is the first person Griffith has ever said something like this to

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and it’s not because Guts is a good soldier.

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This is the face of a dude who has spent a lot of time “fondly reminiscing” about that fight.

also

and of course, the piece de resistance

Also like we’ve talked about this a bit when we were talking about kinky headcanons but Griffith is definitely super into the fact that Guts is stronger than him. There’s that Griffith kinking on the idea of being held down bc of the whole relinquishing control thing aspect, and I think there’s also a Guts as protector aspect?

Like yk Griffith can take care of himself, but it’s better with someone you can trust at your side, that’s both one of the major points of Berserk and Griffith and Guts’ relationship specifically. So I think there’s an endearing aspect of Griffith appreciating Guts’ strength because he trusts him w/ it. And you see that in canon w/ yk Griffith asking him to assassinate people and moments like Guts not letting any of Gennon’s men through to Griffith during the Battle of Doldrey, but it also fits so neatly into a potential sexual relationship lol.

Like admiring Guts’ strength goes hand in hand with appreciating how Guts like, cares for him and uses it to help him and in his defense etc, and idk it’s got a sweet sort of bodyguard dynamic feel to it? Anyway the point is Griffith would be into Guts demonstrating his strength during sex in non-kinky ways too, like holding him up and fucking him against a wall.

Also they arm wrestle once while drinking at a tavern or smthn, Guts wins, and they both awkwardly get hard.

Wait, Griffith is attracted to women? Where???

inablackmirror:

bthump:

don’t ask me lol, I read him as 110% gay

Well, I like Griffith so much because his thought process and belief system is just so utterly SAME, for me, down to the fact that if I was also a super smart super hot guy and was having a mental breakdown from Guts leaving I too would probably fuck Charlotte (and down to the fact that part of me feels personally attacked and had close to a literal life crisis after reading bthump’s psychological analysis of him lul….), and while it’s definitely a self destructive act and not an act of love or pleasure, it’s also because she’s …. hot is the wrong word? But I do think he is physically attracted to her. I also think he is attracted to Casca physically in some way. I think those attractions are twisted and warped and spring largely from psychological darkness, but that there is a genuine biological attraction.

I went through several times wondering if I was really bi, or if I only wanted to sleep with men to use them to punish myself because I associated it so much with having to do with conquest and punishment because of past trauma. But my therapist said that most likely if I wasn’t attracted to men to begin with I wouldn’t take it out that way… so that’s my reasoning for Griffith being attracted to women. I know it probably wasn’t a seriously question, though, so sorry for being so extra. I’ve been in a mood. xD

…further thoughts…. I do feel a lot like both times, I think there’s a pattern it’s a power thing for him, because that’s my projection. That Guts leaving made him feel helpless, so he fucked Charlotte because he could. That being physically wrecked from being tortured made him feel helpless, so he raped Casca to prove he could. I guess that doesn’t…really? prove he’s attracted to women?…. but I just feel like maybe something sexual wouldn’t be the route he’d take if he was totally unattracted? Just my personal feeling.

Fair enough, we all have our headcanons based on whatever we get out of the manga + our own experiences + what we find enjoyable/entertaining/reasonable/etc. No worries about answering seriously, I just gave a flippant answer lol bc ngl that’s kind of been my mood today, but god knows I’m all for getting serious and meta-y at any and all possible opportunities lol.

Anyway yeah, as another bi who definitely has done (and still sometimes does lol) a lot of “am I bi or gay?” soul searching I definitely get where you’re coming from even tho I see him as gay myself. Thanks for sharing your input on this tbh, and I hope this isn’t too personal to reblog tho I will ofc delete if you prefer.

canon verse headcanon for griff being horny in the morning and guts being like okaaayyyyy i gotta get up and train/do shit tho bc i cant stop thinking about it and i love your takes on my stupid ideas?

lmao ngl idk if i have any more thoughts on this beyond my “omg this is perf” *like* reaction to your posts on this subject.

though… actually I guess since you specified canonverse I’m suddenly rly taken by the idea of king Griffith spending the night with Guts and not wanting to leave in the morning, trying to draw it out and get laid again once or twice, and Guts being like “…don’t you have important shit to do?”

like anything w/ griffith getting his kingdom and then lowkey preferring spending time w/ guts to actually running it is like the epitome of griffguts to me lol

and I guess Guts is practical but given the choice between… idk training drills or whatever a raider captain does in peacetime and fucking griffith idt he’d protest too hard about doing the latter. his protests would be very token and he’d secretly melt at the thought that griffith is putting his Very Important Life on hold just to spend another 15 minutes blowing him or w/e.

lol this is basically just repeating what you’ve said with an added ‘but like if griffith was a king,’ sry