lmao honestly I have a lot of ships that I can imagine being into threesomes but griffguts is not one of them, I think zodd would get murdered. like guts would fight him to the death before letting him touch griffith. and griffith would rather watch guts fight someone over him than get double teamed anyway.
like guts/ngriff/zodd = guts and zodd fighting while griffith jerks off imho
whether this is literal canon or modern au lol.
tho to be more fun if there is a scenario in which this happens – say guts is in falconia for whatever reasons, whether he’s straight up lost control of his life and gone beast of darkness and murdered all his friends and decided to join griffith or whether it’s part of a larger plan or something, and ngriff and zodd are already fucking on the regular and guts walks in on them or something and ngriff is like, ‘care to join us ;)’ – guts would start by immediately trying to compete with zodd over who can fuck him better.
zodd would win objectively but lbr he’d still end up so intensely third wheeled he’d get up and make himself a sandwich. and griffith probably orchestrated this scenario just to get guts to fuck him anyway.
tho also one more concept i can throw out, guts and zodd fighting/competing over griffith could turn sexual between them. i mean it would be a disservice to their canon interactions to ignore that there’s some chemistry there lmao
in which case griffith would immediately regret everything, kick zodd out, and give guts the most intense lay of his life.
also ia zodd’s asymmetrical one horn look does kind of bug me lol.
This is the quality shit we come here for! ��❤️ Neo-Griff offering his body to the beast of darkness as an apology or self destructive thing is also very human Griffith of him and would definitely be a sign his heart isn’t as frozen as he’d like it to be.
ty! and ooh yeah i love the idea of there being a self-destructive/self-harming aspect deep down to ngriff mb angling more for fucking than fighting in a confrontation w/ beast of darkness guts. also maybe an element of avoiding having to kill guts too. and also wanting the d. honestly ngriff letting guts fuck him is the most in character thing he could do l b r.
also lmao @ you and @madchen both coming to the same conclusion. i’ll cosign beast of darkness fucking femto/ngriff from behind.
especially beast of darkness/neogriffith tbh, i am super into this concept. or even a role reversal au where guts was the one who became a godhand member or mb apostle.
and femto/guts also has its appeal. or femto/beast of darkness, monster4monster.
guess i’ll put this under a cut in respect to ppl who follow me more for meta than long posts about monsterfucking lol
side note to kick this off: i once had a shockingly coherent berserk dream where femto turned out to be a periodic temporary transformation, kinda like a werewolf, and he’d turn back into post-torture griffith after wreaking some evil havok, and griffith wouldn’t remember anything. and this led to guts having sex with griffith-as-femto (who was less hilarious petty ex a la black swordsman arc and more like, the kind of atmospheric scary horror movie monster who motionlessly watches you from across the street and appears in the bathroom mirror after you look away briefly lol) in order to distract him from like, leaving to go murder people. and guts framed this to himself as like penance for abandoning griffith but at the same time he was also into it because despite being terrifying femto was still a version of griffith who he loves and has been pining for for 4 years. it was a high quality dream tbh.
but anyway, like the way their relationship is depicted as so obsessive and singular i feel like there’s something v compelling in either of them becoming the extra evil embodiment of the worst aspects of themselves and the other still wanting him bc even that darkness is an aspect of the person he loves? like that’s p canon actually
(not to mention how suggestive the beast of darkness gets)
like either of them, canon guts or au griffith where guts became a monster, hating the other for destroying everything and ruining his life but still high key “longing” for him.
relatedly, the canon mutual pining thing during the golden age but then the first time they act on their repressed sexual feelings is after one becomes a monster and consequently has lost that repression and has nothing stopping him from acting on his lust? and the other is like, oh no you’re a monster and i hate you now but also i’ve been lying to myself about not wanting this for 8 years and i’ll take what i can get.
doesn’t quite fit with actual canon (one can argue femto is even more repressed lol) but whatever, actual canon sux.
or both of them having succumbed to their inner darknesses but still finding that spark of light and their own humanity in each other is srsly good stuff.
like lbr neogriffith letting beast of darkness guts fuck him instead of fight him and predictably feeling all those not actually frozen feelings even tho it’s just like, a vague twisted echo of what their relationship could’ve been once… also good. maybe focusing on the physical to distract himself from/ignore his feelings to the point where he doesn’t notice he’s got tear tracks running down from the corners of his eyes afterwards. i mean what better time to get that payoff on ‘the crystalization of your last tear shed’ right?
also there’s a devilman spinoff/missing scene manga where akira lost his consciousness to the demon he melded with and ryo brought him back by kissing him. and i’m js
the sex version would work v well in berserk. imagine guts waking up from a prolonged stretch of time as the beast of darkness while balls deep in neogriffith and just clinging to him like an anchor, at least until he comes and eventually regains the presence of mind to assess the situation lol.
what other angles are there? idk i feel like there’s a lot of room for playing around with the monster versions of these characters.
i mean i get why ppl often don’t want to even ship post-eclipse griffguts let alone their evil monster versions bc miura poisoned that well, but honestly idgaf personally, i’m not gonna let that stop me. ngriff/femto/beast of darkness all have so much potential here.
also sorry i focused more on feelings than physical specifics but that’s bc a) i’m better at talking about feelings and b) femto and the beast of darkness are anatomically pretty boring lbr lol. i mean femto especially is barely a monster physically, that’s like, all feelings lol.
the thought of griffith with a beard made my brain 404 lol. and honestly kind of guts too, i can’t even picture either of them with facial hair
i think griffith would be fine w/ guts growing a beard? maybe even like it? tho wait didn’t i get specific and say griffith was into guts’ jawline once, maybe he’d be annoyed if guts grew a beard and it hid any part of his face lol.
yeah i was also super into that fanart. probs not the artist’s intention but made me think of casca holding guts’ sword after he left lol
mm on the subject of broken swords in general, ng ia,l i like the idea of the dragonslayer breaking
like if guts dies that would be an appropriate af prelude to it. a nice subtle rebuke of living your life by the sword.
actually it could also be a gr8 prelude to guts sorting out his feelings properly. you know like how i say that i want to believe guts’ current sidequest is a distraction from his conflicted feelings towards revenge/griffith/etc and what he should actually be doing is trying to untangle the emotional snarl that happens when your “true light” is also your nemesis lol. well the point is guts’ sword shatting could be a nice symbol of his distractions failing him and leaving him no choice but to confront his own feelings. maybe say something.
like it would go nicely with a third duel that has a strong emotional core
This is all great and I’m sorry I don’t have anything intelligent to add to it, but imagine his sword breaking during a third duel bc NGriff and/or Femto is “the absolute”.
Like the Griff/Femto breaking the sword that gets uncomfortably close to striking him, and then having to deal with the possibly-not-so-frozen heart issue, bc suddenly Guts is v vulnerable and killable.
NICE
griffith’s brain suddenly scrambling for an excuse not to kill him lol.
long game: decides to keep him locked up in his cellar dungeon, won’t stop visiting and talking to him to guts’ consternation
eventually something gives and gay conversations happen
guts kissing griffith: neck esp the nape of the neck + where neck meets shoulder, jaw, temple/hairline like as a casual thing when they’re chilling, i want to say back of his hand bc i like the image of guts jokingly kissing his hand like/as he’s royalty but sometimes turning it into an intimate thing like bringing his knuckles up to his lips all sweetly
griffith kissing guts: legs + inner thighs b4/after a bj, bridge of his nose (yeah where the scar is), palm of his hand, aaaaand i’m gonna say the scar where he stabbed him which is a dual possessive/subconsciously apologetic thing. not like kissing it better, but like wanting it to be associated with positive things to guts while also reminding himself of guts joining him.
i’ve been busy w life but obviously hard agree
with all of this. griffith throne fucking fantasy is backwards in guts
lap as if he’s facing the entire court
this is exactly how i was envisioning it lol, nice
no this is a high quality question despite what probably made you think of it tonight lol
cowgirl, griff riding guts, is the favourite. at least at first. it’s like how i automatically assume their first time would go. griffith has more experience and would take the lead, but guts would still be the one to top for trauma reasons. relatedly griffith’s past experience w/ m/m sex would have been with him having v little control and p much just being used, so this would be a nice change for him too. they can see each other and make eye contact and feel emotionally intimate. good way to make their first time a positive and enjoyable experience for all, 10/10.
also related but extra intimate, sitting up facing each other and making out, wrapped around each other.
more advanced relationship-wise, griffith being taken from behind, hard and desperate, manhandled a bit. maybe bent over something, or just face down ass up. made to feel like guts can’t not fuck him in that moment and just desperately needs him. also neck kissing, no matter how rough it is. griffith would love dirty talk whispered in his ear too but that might be a little beyond guts. well actually guts could probably manage easy stuff like “need you” and “god you’re so good” and w/e, which would work just fine for griffith.
add mild bondage when they level up further, but i’m not going to get into that rn bc we’ve chattedabout itbefore
guts eventually bottoming i see as p missionary style, again at least at first, super slow, best described as “lovemaking,” griffith getting super perfectionist. and guts would bask in being under so much loving attention from griffith.
also sleepy morning sex while spooning. mb intercrural sometimes, either topping.
i think both would enjoy giving blowjobs and probably rimming too.
also griffith def fantasizes about guts fucking him on midland’s throne after he becomes king. like in guts’ lap, guts actually sitting on the throne. some manhandling and teasing, guts power tripping a little on having him there, making him wait to come, etc. i’m gonna say that’s a heat of the moment fantasy that griff feels weird about after he comes tho. yk it’s got an undertone of prioritizing guts over the kingdom.
i mean honestly idt any sex position is going to be ooc as long as it’s set up right (like guts being fine w/ getting fucked from behind the first time would not be believable to me, but yk, maybe after a while it could work), but there’s a few i immediately jumped to.
idk if this is funnier in actual berserk or a modern au but either way i’m dying. poor griffith. he’s lucky guts has low self esteem and would be incredibly jealous anyway
(god black swordsman casca/farnese is peak. farnese all fucked up by religion and weird sadomasochistic self-loathing and black and white thinking and casca super cynical and instantly done with farnese’s spoiled rich kid thing. their meet-cute is farnese capturing casca followed by this possession scene. like ugh it could be so good and complex and hot.)
That is so nice to hear, thank you, I’m glad you think so!
This is more headcanon territory than meta but here’s what I think:
tbh…
pre-NeoGriffith, I’d say no. I think Guts had pretty thoroughly
repressed his attraction to Griffith during the Golden Age. He’s got
sexual hangups in general, and with men in particular, and if he thinks
about Griffith naked more often than the average dude then it’s just
because he’s remembering how awesome and awe-inspiring he is, ofc. His
heart’s getting fluttery cause Griffith’s just so cool and dazzling. He
wants Griffith to look at him because he just wants totally platonic
attention.
I
mean lbr during the Golden Age Guts has been doing this for three
years, yk, the crush thing where he’s staring at him from afar, or
watching the door every time he’s in a room where other Hawks may be as
well, hoping Griffith shows up and comes to sit by him. but because of
heteronormativity and his sexual trauma he’s unable to translate
those feelings into attraction.
like to get a little graphically
detailed for a sec, I tend to imagine that when Guts jerks off during
this period his mind is generally blank or he’s just thinking about
mundane things and focusing mainly on the physical sensation. if naked
Griffith shows up now and then, it’s just cause his mind’s wandering
aimlessly, nothing to worry about.
I think if he had another
couple days with post-torture Griffith he would’ve started to re-examine
this period of his life and realize what they could’ve had. He got
through the revelations that Griffith isn’t a god, and Griffith has
extremely intense life-destroying feelings for him. Like, recognizing
the nature of his own feelings was the next logical step there.
You could maybe even argue that having sex with Casca might’ve helped
that along, giving him a positive association with sex to draw on, like a
stepping stone.
And I am definitely reading into things here, but yk, that’s what I do lol, so consider:
You
are having a breakdown because you overheard Casca tell me to leave. It
has finally really truly hit me that I broke your heart when I left.
This is an extreme example of the emotions between us. How do I act on
those emotions? It’ll come to me… come on… there’s got to be some way to
translate these intense emotions into a positive course of action here…
But yk instead the Eclipse happened.
So he spends the next 2 years thinking of Griffith either like this:
or like this
And sexual attraction is pretty much out of his mind for a while.
But then NeoGriffith shows up and Guts practically has a sexual awakening.
(i will never in my life get tired of posting this page)
After
the Hill of Swords, it’s honestly really really easy for me to read
between the lines and basically assume that Guts is jerking off to
Griffith after waking up from sex dreams about him semi-regularly, then
killing ghosts with extra vehemence bc he’s feeling weird and guilty and
lonely.
I mean
You’re
right, the Beast of Darkness gets really, really suggestive. It’s hard
at this point to argue that Guts would be completely unaware of his
feelings.
His subconscious is here calling Griffith more precious
than Casca, mocking him for “longing” for him, using very loaded romantic phrasing, etc etc, and Guts is
having a conversation with that part of himself, so he’s got to be
aware.
But what I could see is Guts associating that
attraction with his ~inner darkness~ and trying to ignore it.
Considering that “forgot my urge to kill” bit (and yk the whole Golden
Age) I’d ofc argue that his attraction is far from intrinsic to his
inner darkness, but yk, the BoD is using it to tempt him to go chase
down and kill Griffith here, and it’s probably safe to assume that some
if not all of his fantasies are violent, considering. He’d probably
prefer those too, because non-violent fantasies make him sad and
regretful and lonely when he much prefers to feel rage.
So
like basically he’s twisting his sexual feelings into violence to make
them easier to deal with the way he does with all his other feelings,
lumps them in with revenge as his bad “obsession” he’s trying to let go
of, and tries to ignore them.
But it’s never going to completely
work because the core of those feelings is still real love and longing
for human Griffith. That true light he wants to crush.
Ooh
also you can say that this is another reason he’s so determined to force
Casca’s sanity back – surely if he’s got a girlfriend those
inconvenient feelings will go away. (After all, he managed to distract
himself from Griffith by having sex with her last time.)
ANYWAY
like I said this is all headcanon lol. I think it fits with what we see
in the story, but yk, it’s just one possibility of where Guts’ mind
might be at.
As a cis woman my opinion is not all that valuable here lol, and it’s under a cut because reading that opinion should probably be an opt-in experience and easy to scroll past
Basically I think that’s a legit and interesting take, though maybe not entirely compatible with canon. Not because Casca couldn’t be trans – I could definitely see that and I think it’s a logical reading of the character – but more because like, if Griffith knew and acted on that knowledge it would change the subsequent nightmare sequence w/ Casca as a housewife.
Also like if there’s an aspect there of Griffith knowing on some level
that Casca’s a man but deliberately withholding that “validation” until
this point when he needs something from him (idk if that was what you
meant to imply but the word ‘weaponizing’ makes me wonder) then I do
disagree with that.
But there’s no reason to assume Griffith was deliberately misgendering him either if his knowledge is subconscious and/or more recently acquired.
(And to be clear on that by misgendering I’m not talking about like Griffith using she/her pronouns bc if this isn’t an AU then Casca has obviously not socially transitioned. I’m more talking about ordering him to sleep with Guts four years ago, or complimenting the dress, things like that.)
Also funnily enough your take is basically the exact opposite of mine in that I emphasize the sense of oppressive heteronormativity and Griffith’s repression in this scene, while you go in the opposite direction with a sense of both characters’ gender and sexuality being validated. But it’s not like my preferred interpretation has anything to do with authorial intent lol, so yours is just as legit and worth consideration.
Plus a nice side effect of losing that undertone of repression is that it makes Griffith’s horror re: a life with Casca even more thoroughly centred around Guts’ absence. Also adds another layer to Casca’s decision not to leave with Guts but to stay with Griffith, if there’s an implicit understanding that he can be himself with Griffith while Guts still regards him as a woman.
Hmm idk if I have much else to say, especially since I’m like, trying to avoid a lot of the inevitable problematic implications inherent to Casca’s narrative, Berserk being what it is. Idk just like reading Griffith as a gay man is rife with issues, reading Casca as a trans man opens up another can of worms, one that I don’t think anyone needs my pov on. But ty for your interest in my thoughts, hope this was the kind of response you were looking for.
legit. guts sleeping on his back and griffith clinging and using his chest as a pillow is perf.
i think they’d also naturally fall into sleeping on their sides w/ guts as the big spoon (and griffith holding onto his arm like a stuffed animal), and falling asleep facing each other a lot too tbh, complete with holding hands.
i’ve always thought it looked like guts wanted to kiss him here too lmao … and like … ha i know it’s completely impossible but look at griffs face tho. he’s like “NOW?? now guts? really?” then the behelit opens cause griffs just “OH /NOW/ YOU’RE GAY?”
hmm lol it’s likely total crap but it’s quite an interesting thing to ponder. cause imo miura is/was preettttyyy clear in his portrayal of expressional intent�� i don’t want to allow myself to believe this but to me it rly looks like that lmao
this is hot on the heels of guts fully
accepting his role in griffith’s (insert everything here) … i can only
imagine what would’ve happened if guts had an opportunity to say
something to him. he is probably at a loss for words, and all that
emotional buildup is trying to escape through his eyes lol .. god, griff
has no idea why guts is so emotional right here now that i think of it
🤔🤔🤔 guts showing emotions for him during this breakdown is a very
plausible thing to push him over the edge 😮
i like it lol i think i’ll keep it
good content
ok for real the way i see griffith’s moment of despair being guts’ touch is that it’s griffith’s final moment of understanding that he is never gonna get unfucked by his feelings. he desperately, desperately needs guts and there’s no possibility of living without him anymore. if guts left, griffith would mentally waste away like in his nightmare, if guts stayed griffith would exist entirely for his presence.
so like the way griffith shifted from wanting to strangle guts to holding his hand in the torture chamber when guts started crying for him, when guts touches him with that emotion on his face griffith is like, fuck i can’t hate him, i can’t separate myself, and the behelit opens.
i mean more powerfully than i’ve written lol, but that’s like, the gist imo.
so basically i completely agree.
ALSO wrt the possibility of Guts wanting to kiss him, I’m just gonna say:
idk Guts what did you do last time someone attempted suicide in front of you?
parallels everywhere.
i’m just gonna say recently when i was collecting panels of guts looking at griffith for my stupid joke post i thought about that exact panel and how it looks really fucking weird and how guts is way too close to griffith’s face and how i didn’t understand why or what he was even planning to do at that point
the thought of a kiss never occurred to me somehow but you know what? tbh.
alternatively THIS was the moment where guts was going to stop pretending that he wasn’t the reason all this happened to griffith and start apologising for it like he should have long ago. but unfortunately before that could happen griffith had his breakdown and, well, you know
press his forehead against the hawk mask and break down and cry while throwing out vague but heartfelt apologies
is the image that popped into my head
also wonder if guts would’ve transitioned to ‘i’m sorry’s if the torturer hadn’t interrupted them while they were holding hands and provided a handy distraction from his burgeoning guilt.
straight up, he would’ve murdered casca. like no doubt in my mind, basically the whole point of the chapters between the hill of swords and the rpg group catching up to him is to tell the reader that without the rpg group casca would not have lasted much longer w/ guts.
after he killed casca?
boring default answer: revenge rampage part 2 to distract himself from this new giant heap of guilt, now with more passive suicidal tendencies
better answer: behelit opens, he sacrifices griffith, everything comes full circle
best answer: revenge rampage part 2 to distract himself from this new giant heap of guilt, but he feels like he’s just as bad as griffith/femto now and ends up joining him after a confrontation (and probably sex as a substitute for uh “giving him a heap of raw iron” lbr). all the thematic stuff about inner monsters becoming literal outer monsters is a build up to guts as an example of a human just succumbing to his dark side without the help of a magic transformation
caveat to best answer: with griffith he may actually recover some of his “good” self, as he’s still an echo of that last glimmer of the whole campfire in his chest metaphor, and depending on what’s going on with neogriffith internally they could end up both sort of balancing light and dark. would also fit neatly with the way the apostles do under ngriff’s influence, but this would be the emotional version rather than the metaphysical one lol.
“rugged handsomeness” is a good word that griffith would definitely use when describing guts… i think he also really likes guts legs and hands. he thinks his perpetual frown is endearing and also thinks he’s very clever and smart in his own way. guts obviously loves griffiths hair a
lot and he also loves his lips and hands. and broad greek athletic youth
shoulders and small waist + frame. he’s actually bonkers for griffiths
mix of soft/feminine features and masculine features. griffiths voice is
a soft tenor and guts thinks it’s like, masculine and sweet in an
elegant prince sort of way
i was gonna day guys loves griffiths
devotion tho i realize now that’s just “determination” flavored
differently-which makes it fitting from a certain perspective. like,
devotion to his dream sure but also the potential for devoted adoration
and sweetness + attention turned guts way. i like to think guts heart
would burst when he realizes how sweet on him griffith is
this is all extremely good i just wanna second everything
especially the detail of griffith being fond of guts’ default frowny face, and extra emphatic yes to guts liking griffith’s masc and fem traits in combination
and yeah to that last bit, I think they both love like, each others’ intensity and determination/devotion because they want it aimed at least partly at them. or like, they both know, whether consciously or not, from the start that that intensity is aimed at them and they crave it.
(honestly makes me want to frame the current state of their relationship as both deliberately witholding it from the other lmao. ngriff: fuck you i only care about my dream now. guts: well fuck you too i only care about uhhhh casca)
@madchen said:
first one is when all
the pta mom are asking him if he can really organize the fundraiser bake
sale in less than 24 hours after debbie tragically had a recreational
hiking accident
If I do write the fic I would also throw Charlotte. I feel like she would be a part of the group’s extended circle through Farnese. They prob grew up together in this au since they’re both from old money and she prob begged Farnese to let her tag along so she could see Griffith. Oh my god I wonder how she is like drunk. Since she’s so innocent I can imagine that she would be the complete opposite while intoxicated.
ngl drunk charlotte sounds like she would be fun to write lol.
The gang has to bail them out. Good thing Farnese is loaded. Actually, she’s the one who arranged for the trip. Lets say that in this au she’s famous for coming from the world’s oldest ‘old money’ and somebody recognizes her(her face ends up being in the tabloids the next day)
Oh and Serpico ends up coming back when its time to leave. Where he went? He won’t tell
lol the idea of famous heiress farnese and her extremely dubious friends is delightful
Judeau, Guts,and Griffith would go to the casinos. Judeau is a decent
gambler but Griffith, he’s like a god at it. He ends up pissing many
people off every a while since he keeps winning(they think he’s cheating
but he’s not) its safe to assume that a fight would prob break out.
Later on, they hit the bar, which isn’t really much of their
scenes(especially Guts) but after that brawl, they need a hard drink or
two. (2/3)
I wanna say that Judeau gets picked up by a girl at the bar/club. Girls
try to flirt with Guts and Griffith too, Guts just ignores them and
Griffith charmingly lets them down. I wanna be very self-indulgent and
say that they get drunk and wake up married to each other(very cliche
and unlikely to happen but still very cute.) The only way that could
happen is if Griffith is in one of his rare random moods to have
reckless fun n gets Guts to join in(somehow Idk. Guts doesnt like
getting drunk)
lol this is a modern au idea i never would’ve thought of. but i could absolutely see guts and griffith getting drunk and married in vegas.
i feel like serpico would either trail farnese or hit the nearest gay bar tho ngl
[insert more picspam here, we all know Guts is fixated]
let’s be real, it’s the hair.
Griffith’s favourite physical quality of Guts’:
I was gonna say something like his buff arms, or his strength in general, and I think that would also be a legit answer, but yk what I’m going with
I think I just wanna say Guts’ face in general. Like maybe this is just Miura failing to properly objectify his point of view manly man protagonist, but when he’s making Griffith’s heart flutter his heavy brows and intense focused stare tend to be pretty prominent.
Also I’d argue that Miura kind of emphasizes Guts’ rugged handsomeness this way during/after the rescue mission, when the love triangle’s rearranging itself to put Guts in the centre:
moreso than at any other point in the story. So yeah.
Guts’ favourite non-physical quality of Griffith’s:
Ok this one’s tricky because I want to say Griffith’s like, larger than lifeness. His respectability, leadership abilities, ambition, that whole package, because that’s what makes his attention that much more valuable to Guts. He doesn’t want just anyone’s attention, he wants Griffith’s attention, because Griffith is the coolest guy he knows lol.
But! Like the entire point of the Golden Age is Guts learning that he’s been prioritizing the wrong aspects of Griffith. And obviously I don’t think Guts only liked Griffith because of his image lol, just that Guts really valued that image because like… he wants to be admired by someone admirable.
But I’m also going to say Griffith’s playfulness, because there’s something there that grabbed Guts early on, not just something he admired but something he genuinely liked, and I always come back to the waterfight. Guts has never had a friend his own age before, and he’s never had a chance to be a kid in his life. The waterfight is I can only assume the first time Guts fought just for fun.
And despite all the smokescreens of status and admirability and godliness etc, at the end of the day they just genuinely like each other, they like hanging out and having fun together.
Maybe you can say it’s both in combination – the fact that he’s larger than life, but has this more human, real side of him that is reachable and that he can genuinely connect with. It’s what makes Griffith’s “superiority” something he loves and wants to live up to, rather than something he resents.
Idk.
Griffith’s favourite non-physical quality of Guts’:
His determination. Whether it’s used against him, like during their first duel (or post Eclipse), or to fight for him, or to protect him, I think Guts’ willingness to do anything in a fight makes him swoon. One reason he refuses to try to reign him in despite Casca complaining that Guts gets away with everything lol. And one reason his heart started beating while he watched him fight Zodd.
What do you think? I kind of just stuck really close to things basically stated in canon but I think there are better, and probably shippier/more fun answers lol. If you have alternative suggestions I want to hear them.
guts needs someone who’s obsessed with him bc he wants to be wanted super bad serpico just can’t provide the level of mutual ownership of the other in a relationship guts needs that’s just how it is
i feel like there’s still room for this though! like this is one of those concepts i keep coming back to and i always envision it as neogriffith using sex as a way to keep the apostles in line and not preying on humanity, yk like, one taste of yr god and you realize that humans just aren’t worth risking getting kicked out of falconia for
except it’s actually completely unnecessary and more low-key a convoluted ott expression of his self-destructive streak while telling himself it’s just another rung on the ladder to his utopia dream, because griffith is a dramatic disaster in all incarnations
or you want it less fucked up and weirdly angsty then maybe it actually is just part of how he keeps them tame (a la Ganeshka’s “if he touches me I’ll sacrifice all -”) and he’s lowkey into it. or he lets his loyal generals gang bang him as a reward bc they’re apostles and apostles respond better to base lust than bags of gold, and in this scenario he’s getting fucked from a position of power as a show of generosity and knows he can’t be truly harmed bc fate, so it’s still a contrast to sex when he was human
We know for a fact Guts was 15, Griffith was around the same age according to Guts’ guess.
Idk how high school grades/ages work lol but idc emphatic yes to guts and griffith going to prom as dates. i’ve got a real thing for the image of them awkwardly dancing together for some reason tbh so I immediately love this. Who do you think asks who? And are they friends first or do they start going out soon after they meet in this au?
the awkaward puppy love is just so good… modern au teenage griffith who is actually aware that he is Gay would be so infatuated from the moment he meets guts but imho he is still shy about it/half closeted. guts is sort of just as hostile as he is in canon but it’s mostly just very flustered that this pretty boy is paying so much attention to him… i think guts makes the first moves on almost everything in all aus and canon tbh him and griffith are sweet on each other for a while but have never expressed explicit feelings or are dating yet.. and then like one day when they’re sitting in the school parking lot on guts trucks good guts accidentally just sorta puts his hand on top of griffs.the conversation freezes for a few seconds and griffith blurts out ”im gay” in a very uncharacteristically blunt millennial way .guts sort of feels the whole reality of it all crash into him like a train and is like “oh” and then “/oh/“ and now purposefully just curls his hand tighter around griffiths…
i think also griffith wants to ask guts to prom but it /has to be perfect/ and elaborate and flawless because god forbid guts dumps him and when he realizes how much of a clingy loser griffith thinks he is but he can never work up the nerve to do it and tosses and turns in bed at night for like two weeks. then after school when he settles into guts trucks passenger seat guts pulls out a bundle of groccery store florist red roses from his backpack (that’s usually emaciatied-empty save for a half chewed pencil and cigarettes) and starts to ask griffith but griffith has already started tearing up and it turns into a whole thing…
We know for a fact Guts was 15, Griffith was around the same age according to Guts’ guess.
Idk how high school grades/ages work lol but idc emphatic yes to guts and griffith going to prom as dates. i’ve got a real thing for the image of them awkwardly dancing together for some reason tbh so I immediately love this. Who do you think asks who? And are they friends first or do they start going out soon after they meet in this au?
a concept: guts in beast of darkness mode, seeing the world as nothing but like, malevolent shadows, except for neogriffith who is the only bright light in his world
similar to ascended ganeshka but with emotion rather than just themes behind it
conversely: neogriffith seeing the world as basically lines of fate and causality to be maneuvered within and around, except guts, the bright light who throws him off
idk if I can really make a case for it, other than the fact that like… that sex scene was super basic lol.
also i like the idea of griffith thinking he needs to be good at hetero sex so he can seduce charlotte properly for the sake of his dream when the time comes, and then convincing himself that reading the books he canonically has totally covers it and there’s no need to actually have sex with a woman
hope you get your gay griffith thoughts watered bc i always want to read more of them
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