mastermistressofdesire:

bthump:

yk i think about this scene when i think about why griffith would’ve fallen for guts, bc i tend to think that at least part of the reason is that guts treats him like a person, rather than as a beacon of hope or portent of doom lol. which is exemplified when he dumps a bucket of water on his head.

but man how about why guts fell for griffith? guts, who never got to be a kid, who was trained as a mercenary since like age 4, never had any friends growing up, no one around his own age. he’s never played with friends before. like this is probably the first time he’s ever had fun with someone his own age.

If Griffith wanted someone to treat him as a person(/equal), well, that’s also what Guts wants, just from the opposite side. Griffith gets too much regard, positive and negative, and Guts doesn’t get enough, positive or negative.

Like sure this scene ends with Griffith talking about becoming a king and Guts looking up at him, blinded by the sun, but the potential is right here.

Yes.
This is great actually.
In the beginning I kinda thought that they were going with the broody young man meets manic pixie girl tropey route with this, like a little bit.

But it ended up having so many more layers and mutual motivations I was really pleased.

Like when you bring up Griffith’s attraction, I also remembered that for a moment in this scene, after Guts dumps the bucket on Griffith, he actually gets a little pissed for a moment and opens his mouth to shout at him, then looks surprised at himself, breaths out and starts laughing.

I think in a way Guts is also about spontaneity to Griffith. He’s been emotionally repressing and distancing himself so long, that finding himself feeling annoyance or surprise despite himself is maybe even a little liberating.

On a side note those reoccurring small sequences of panels in the manga are imo what make it so great. Like the nuance. Nngh.

And I absolutely agree with what you said about Guts.

yk i think about this scene when i think about why griffith would’ve fallen for guts, bc i tend to think that at least part of the reason is that guts treats him like a person, rather than as a beacon of hope or portent of doom lol. which is exemplified when he dumps a bucket of water on his head.

but man how about why guts fell for griffith? guts, who never got to be a kid, who was trained as a mercenary since like age 4, never had any friends growing up, no one around his own age. he’s never played with friends before. like this is probably the first time he’s ever had fun with someone his own age.

If Griffith wanted someone to treat him as a person(/equal), well, that’s also what Guts wants, just from the opposite side. Griffith gets too much regard, positive and negative, and Guts doesn’t get enough, positive or negative.

Like sure this scene ends with Griffith talking about becoming a king and Guts looking up at him, blinded by the sun, but the potential is right here.

mastermistressofdesire:

I still can’t understand how people could see this scene and literally seconds later be like-
“well so it seems like griffith doesn’t actually care about the lives of all his people because he says he’ll do anything to win and doesn’t regret it.”

Did you completely miss this moment?
Would someone who doesn’t care about his people, fucking suck it all in and focus on comforting another person just because, ‘one of his soldiers’ was upset?

Would someone who didn’t care actually even consider doing what he did because “the more battles we fight, the more people we lose.”

Griffith has nothing to lose by simply fighting those additional battles. He knows he’ll survive. And he’s not exactly set a time goal for himself.

Its because He doesn’t WANT to have nothing to lose. it a misguided act of sentimentality and solidarity but it is still an act of sentimentality and solidarity.

“sentimentality and solidarity” is a nice way of putting it tbh. yk it’s funny that some people don’t get that you can have no regrets and still care, they’re not mutually exclusive things. Like by his logic if he allowed himself to regret leading people to their deaths their deaths would become pointless so he moves forward with no regrets because he cares lol.

also the line “but for hundreds, thousands of lives to hang in the balance and myself alone not to be unclean… // what I want… won’t enter my grasp so easily as that” in particular always struck me as strongly suggestive of Griffith’s guilt-fueled solidarity (rly love that btw) the way it’s divided into 2 speech bubbles

first half emphasizing the risked and lost lives for his dream and admonishing the idea of remaining above and untouched by it himself, 2nd half justifying it “logically” (won’t enter my grasp so easily as that) though the logic doesn’t hold up because, as you said, he could just fight those battles. That was his plan before the kid died, and was a perfectly good plan to him then.

also sidenote: it doesn’t occur to him that he’s in the same position as his soldiers anyway, risking his life every battle as well since he always leads at the front. He has to go above and beyond putting his own life on the line with them.