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so i did what i said i was going to do, re-read most of the elfhelm chapters to see if i could figure anything out.

and idk how solid this is, especially considering how biased in favour of it i am lol, but i came up with this theory last night

So in 345 they’re all sitting around a table having a nice chat about important spirit realm shit.

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The world tree is a “dragon’s road.”

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The behelit also creates a dragon’s road.

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Just want to point out the little specification of “at your side” and the shot of the behelit in Guts’ pouch vs the way Guts’ cloak billows to give us a view of that pouch as he walks towards Casca.

SO dragon roads.

Schierke pipes up with a question absolutely no reader was ever curious about and is therefore probably very relevant:

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With me so far? These spirit woods are lands associated with spirit trees, like Flora’s. These trees feed off the world tree like parasites, keeping it pruned to manageable levels until Griffith destroyed a bunch of them to make way for his high fantasy genre shift.

The world tree is a dragon’s road – it’s not a real tree, it’s a fissure between realms:

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Again, the same kind of thing the behelit creates.

Eventually they head on over to Danann’s palace, which turns out to be a giant cherry tree:

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It’s a really impressive spirit tree, maybe the last surviving one, or one of the last at least. Elfhelm is probably its associated spirit woods.

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Danann specifies that Guts and Casca’s first meeting will take place right by her spirit tree.

And check out the last image of the most recent chapter:

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Quite an ominous shot of that tree.

Bear in mind that Danann sensed that Casca was afraid of Guts and refused to let him join Schierke and Farnese in her dreams because of this. It seems a bit strange that as soon as Casca wakes up she’s sending her straight to Guts then, doesn’t it?

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Also bear in mind that Skull Knight, who reminds Puck of the elves and is implied to be the Elf King’s oracle, is the one who both told Guts the Elf King could heal Casca, and warned him that “there’s no guarantee your wish will be her wish.”

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Schierke thinks the oracle is the Moonlight Boy, because she doesn’t know it’s Skull Knight. But this is how we know that “oracle” is connected to the Elf King. And this is how we know it’s Skull Knight:

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And check out this vaguely ominous thread that hasn’t been picked back up yet. Is someone using Guts…? Skull Knight, or the person Skull Knight is playing messenger for – the Elf King? (tbh it looks like he’s justifying it to himself by saying whether he interferes or not causality has the final say anyway. calling Guts “a factor.” A factor in what? What is being facilitated, and by whom? Maybe someone who understands the flow of causality, who is using it for their own ends?)

I also want to note that I had zero memory of Flora asking if Skull Knight is using Guts lmao, the only reason I went back to this part was to prove that SK is the Elf King’s oracle. But I am super stoked that it fits my theory perfectly.

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SO yeah the Elf King’s oracle is the one telling Guts this. Seems probable that Danann has been planning to try healing Casca’s mind since long before they showed up on her doorstep asking her to.

Also of note in this scene with Skull Knight on the beach:

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This is the explanation for why NeoGriffith had Flora killed.

To
confront him, one must also exist outside the story. Who exists outside
the story to some extent that we know of? Skull Knight, the branded, and witches.

AND one more thing of note in this scene is Skull Knight warning Guts about the armour:

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All this foreshadowing is thrown into the same chapter, and I think it could be all tied together.

So, my theory:

Danann is using Casca and Guts, for two possible reasons, maybe both:

1. By healing Casca’s mind and sending her to meet Guts right beside her spirit tree, she knows or hopes that Casca’s memories will send her into despair right there, with the behelit at hand, thereby opening a dragon’s road right beside her powerful spiritual tree thing which feeds on dragon’s roads. Maybe giving Danann and Elfhelm a boost of energy/spiritual power for something.

2. Weapons.

If Casca becomes an apostle, she will be branded, ergo a step outside the reason of the world and able to harm Griffith. She will be powerful. And Griffith will have a weakness against her – that whole wacky fetus thing that made him save her life. It’s entirely possible that Danann knows this, as she has scryers checking things out.

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(Granted Casca would also have her own weakness against him, that demon instinct which recognizes NeoGriffith as a messiah, buuut I’m js Ganeshka’s reaction to him was rather similar to Casca’s old feelings, which she’s had several years of experience dealing with and ignoring. Plus he’s responsible for destroying her life and everything that traumatized her into insanity, and Danann has a lot of magic. That potential weakness isn’t the be all end all, is what I’m saying.)

There’s also the foreboding foreshadowing regarding Guts succumbing to the armour. Skull Knight’s warning back there, the Beast of Darkness taunting him here

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and this scene

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which directly connects Casca regaining her sanity and ~doing something~ ominous to the Beast of Darkness lying in wait. And I feel like Casca choosing to make a sacrifice like Griffith did and become a monster would be a pretty solid incentive for Guts to succumb to his inner beast.

And I’m js Beast of Darkness Guts, with his own foot outside the reason of the world thanks to the brand, and lbr Femto/NGriff’s own host of issues that led to him letting Guts go three times so far, would also be a powerful weapon.

It’s also worth noting that we’ve been warned time and again about the dangers of Guts succumbing to the armour, losing his humanity, etc, and he’s been saved every single time he reaches a danger point by Schierke, or the Astral Kid, or whatever. At some point he has to actually succumb properly, at least for a while, for long enough to shake up the narrative and have Consequences, or there’s no point to all this ominous foreshadowing.

Elfhelm is opposed to NeoGriffith and Falconia and the whole merging of planes thing, it’s suggested that Guts is being used by Skull Knight, who seems to be allied with/working for the Elf King, and all these little ominous moments fit together very well.

Plus let’s be real here – Skellig is obviously too good to be true.

Like, I don’t think there’s a dark underbelly to Skellig, any more than I think there’s a dark underbelly to Falconia. I don’t think they’re secretly killing children or Danann’s going to transform into a cackling demon or that the cloying wholesomeness is all a performance to trick Guts and co lol. But I do think that despite the cutesy elf antics and unicorns and sentencing Magnifico to dishwashing duty etc, they would be very capable of ruthlessness. This is Berserk, after all.

tbh I’m really feeling the behelit dragon’s road thing, all those expository details in the recent chapters add up v neatly.

And I think the weaponizing Cacsa and/or Guts theory is a little more of a stretch, more of a “well it would logically follow” rather than having directly suggestive evidence of its own, but still fits nicely imo. And boy, would that not twist the whole revenge theme in an interesting way? If there’s another secondary antagonist who wants Guts and/or Casca to go and kill NeoGriff for their own reasons? Maybe even for the greater good – but at the expense of our protagonists?

strughler:

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a-girl-named-chester
replied to your post “355 spoilers[[MOR] ok i just saw a pic of sane again casca that…”

Holy shit so that’s what she used to look like. I couldn’t pin down what was wrong with her face, but it just unsettled me.
Maybe muira just needs a sec to get used to drawing Casca as Casca with~sanity~ (personality) again?

casca’s face in this chapter was seriously so jarring. i don’t think
it’s even really the proportions so much as the more feminine angle of
her eyes maybe?

this

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Wtf it doesn’t even look like the same person. It’s the angle and shape of the eyes and brows that’s doing it I think. Her eyebrows got done at a hella nice salon.

(she looks sort of elfish. Maybe elf magic is to blame, or (probably) he’s just forgotten how to draw her.)

lol yeah the eyebrows are super conspicuous too

i guess to miura’s credit he got a lot better at shading her lips, thankfully. so you win some you lose some.

she looks as neogriff looks to original flavour griffith which could just be art choices but is frankly SUSPICIOUS

agreed, his whole art style has pushed faces closer to the chin and it makes everything look childish, you could see it heavily in his venture on Gigantomachia.

oh yeah her chin has def shrunk too. i’ve never looked into gigantomachia but yeah i see what you mean from a cursory google images search, it looks the same as the fantasia arc. idk i know it’s a popular style but it’s so ugly and unpleasant looking

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a-girl-named-chester
replied to your post “355 spoilers[[MOR] ok i just saw a pic of sane again casca that…”

Holy shit so that’s what she used to look like. I couldn’t pin down what was wrong with her face, but it just unsettled me.
Maybe muira just needs a sec to get used to drawing Casca as Casca with~sanity~ (personality) again?

casca’s face in this chapter was seriously so jarring. i don’t think
it’s even really the proportions so much as the more feminine angle of
her eyes maybe?

this

vs

Wtf it doesn’t even look like the same person. It’s the angle and shape of the eyes and brows that’s doing it I think. Her eyebrows got done at a hella nice salon.

(she looks sort of elfish. Maybe elf magic is to blame, or (probably) he’s just forgotten how to draw her.)

lol yeah the eyebrows are super conspicuous too

i guess to miura’s credit he got a lot better at shading her lips, thankfully. so you win some you lose some.

she looks as neogriff looks to original flavour griffith which could just be art choices but is frankly SUSPICIOUS

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hmmmm

(probably the art shift, but still. this is some ~i want to believe~ shit right here. gimme sinister came-back-wrong Casca)

i just wanna point out that griffith actually has the angled cat eyes & always has

miura: hmm need to make casca look like the perfect image of the protagonist’s love interest when she wakes up for reasons

miura: i know i’ll give her griffith’s patented sultry eyes

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replied to your post “355 spoilers[[MOR] ok i just saw a pic of sane again casca that…”

Holy shit so that’s what she used to look like. I couldn’t pin down what was wrong with her face, but it just unsettled me.
Maybe muira just needs a sec to get used to drawing Casca as Casca with~sanity~ (personality) again?

casca’s face in this chapter was seriously so jarring. i don’t think
it’s even really the proportions so much as the more feminine angle of
her eyes maybe?

this

vs

Wtf it doesn’t even look like the same person. It’s the angle and shape of the eyes and brows that’s doing it I think. Her eyebrows got done at a hella nice salon.

(she looks sort of elfish. Maybe elf magic is to blame, or (probably) he’s just forgotten how to draw her.)

lol yeah the eyebrows are super conspicuous too

i guess to miura’s credit he got a lot better at shading her lips, thankfully. so you win some you lose some.

she looks as neogriff looks to original flavour griffith which could just be art choices but is frankly SUSPICIOUS

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hmmmm

(probably the art shift, but still. this is some ~i want to believe~ shit right here. gimme sinister came-back-wrong Casca)

madchen
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replied to your post “I don’t think that was the real guts…”

oh im just banking on the ominous ruse awakening i think were in for no matter the context. but the romanticization was just weirdddd no matter what like i know its been a while but casca never really felt that way about guts pre eclipse either like. what.

to me it felt like either fanservice for the sole sake of subverting expectations, or miura buying into everything g*tsca shippers think without re-reading his own story first

and i’m definitely fearing it’s the latter what with the indication that she’s been wanting to see(/meet whatever the line is) guts this whole time while stuck in a dream, the teary look when his name is mentioned, the expectation of romance and casca immediately going along with it, etc.

like who is this and what have you done with casca

sure miura feminized her a lot when she started crushing on guts in the golden age but it was never this bad, and there has never been a true love vibe between them

so like yeah even if there is a twist it’s hard to explain away the characterization here

a-girl-named-chester:

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a-girl-named-chester
replied to your post “355 spoilers[[MOR] ok i just saw a pic of sane again casca that…”

Holy shit so that’s what she used to look like. I couldn’t pin down what was wrong with her face, but it just unsettled me.
Maybe muira just needs a sec to get used to drawing Casca as Casca with~sanity~ (personality) again?

casca’s face in this chapter was seriously so jarring. i don’t think
it’s even really the proportions so much as the more feminine angle of
her eyes maybe?

this

vs

Wtf it doesn’t even look like the same person. It’s the angle and shape of the eyes and brows that’s doing it I think. Her eyebrows got done at a hella nice salon.

(she looks sort of elfish. Maybe elf magic is to blame, or (probably) he’s just forgotten how to draw her.)

lol yeah the eyebrows are super conspicuous too

i guess to miura’s credit he got a lot better at shading her lips, thankfully. so you win some you lose some.

gutsbaratiddies
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replied to your post “I don’t think that was the real guts…”

i agree that the moment she wakes up is rushed, things are too cordial and NICE. Tbh I almost expected her to wake up screaming. but the last few panels of the update suggest some dark shit is coming?? So maybe something is UP

@seisans said:
yeah i thought he was like fake, maybe danann knows more than she lets on and is trying to get casca to realise some things? idk

here’s hoping. i mean when you put it that way with danann pushing the romance but it turns out this is just like, magical therapy part 2, maybe the point is that g*tsca is a terrible idea and casca has to realize that lol

a-girl-named-chester
replied to your post “355 spoilers[[MOR] ok i just saw a pic of sane again casca that…”

Holy shit so that’s what she used to look like. I couldn’t pin down what was wrong with her face, but it just unsettled me.
Maybe muira just needs a sec to get used to drawing Casca as Casca with~sanity~ (personality) again?

casca’s face in this chapter was seriously so jarring. i don’t think
it’s even really the proportions so much as the more feminine angle of
her eyes maybe?

this

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i mean i guess it’s always been the same question:

is this the prelude to a happy or tragic narrative shake up?

it’s just that now, thanks to how heavily romanticized that chapter was before the last couple pages, there’s imo v little doubt that happy = casca is soothed (whether it’s after a chapter or a volume) and romance ensues

and tragic = casca fucks shit up, romance does not ensue

if the former, the narrative is shaken up by guts’ party coming to a stand still and guts experiencing contentment and needing some outside motivation to continue doing anything relevant. maybe neogriff showing up, elfhelm in danger, something like that.

if the latter, the narrative is shaken up by casca taking the playing board and throwing it across the room, which, based on earlier beast-y foreshadowing, will likely lead to guts losing control of the beast of darkness, etc, whatever. Bad shit happens.

BUT there’s also another way of looking at it:

is berserk the story of two dudes who keep trying and failing to stop being obsessed with each other until some kind of climactic catharsis happens?

or is berserk the story of two dudes who were obsessed with each other, one of whom is ironically still obsessed despite going to extreme lengths to try to cut out his feelings, and the other of whom successfully lets go of his obsession and moves on?

(or, put another way, the story of one dude overcoming his obsession with another dude through the power of heterosexual love, while the other dude’s gay love is both what turned him evil and his only weakness.

And I swear to god if I
have to power thru guts’ hetero romance for the sake of griffith’s
doomed evil gay love i can’t think of something emphatic enough to
describe how i’ll feel.)

SO

Ultimately the question comes down to: is Guts’ focus going to return to Griffith, whether that’s through backsliding into revenge again or through re-examining his complex feelings and actually dealing with them instead of running away from them through the fix Casca sidequest?

or will Guts successfully overcome his obsession with Griffith, likely by saving Casca from herself through the power of love or w/e the way he failed to save Griffith before the Eclipse, leaving NGriff to drive the narrative and setting the stage for the final climax?

And if Casca fucks shit up and it turns out the fix Casca sidequest was kind of a terrible idea all along that leads to tragedy and darkness, the answer is the former. If Casca is talked down and love and companionship save the day, the answer is the latter.

So basically whatever happens is going to make or break Berserk for me lol. No pressure.

seisans
replied to your post “cut for not actually spoilers but the fact that i still haven’t shut…”

i haven’t looked at the new chapter, just the pics y’all posted & linked to, but with the feathers and casca wanting to see someone and “your wish may not be her wish” like i could see her using the behelit and joining neo-griff ….. but ………….. idk, has she remembered the eclipse yet? if not she’s bound to and that’s not gonna be pretty. also idk what the point of her joining griffith would be wrt guts ……
like i hate the idea of his own desire
to see griffith getting mixed with his “feelings” for casca you know
what i mean?

anyway if i remember
correctly i think your “casca uses the behelit” theory involved her
having her own revenge journey or something like that but yeah what if
this instead. i’m thinking no thank you mr miura

haha i would straight up murder miura if casca joined neogriffith. my, like, unlikely ideal is the three of them with their own individual power ups (incarnated god, apostle mb along the lines of ganeshka wrt power, berserk armour) all kind of opposing each other to some degree. eg ngriff wants his empire and also wants guts in some capacity that he doesn’t understand so maybe tries to kill him, casca wants to kill ngriff but guts wants to be the one to kill ngriff but also he doesn’t want to kill ngriff, etc

I think the feathers are probably more a reminder of her past as a Hawk than necessarily to do with NGriff. That’s what I was thinking anyway, but like, with the addition that that past is traumatic and they’re a reminder of Griffith who is the source of her trauma and therefore it’s ~ominous~

I don’t think that was the real guts tho, reasons why: 1) we didn’t see his reaction to danann’s message and his facial expression while approaching them was obscured 2) he came alone 3) danann made sure that casca was comfortable for the dream journey having guts stay behind since she sensed her fear of him. for her to just go “well you’re all better now go see ya man” without any kind of psych/emotional evaluation seems so out of left field

Yk I thought the scene where Guts walks up was weird, and it seemed really out of left field that the last time we saw him he was drinking with Serpico and Roderick and now we’re just casually informed that he got a psychic message and he’s here to meet her, (good point about Danann’s sudden 180 too) but I didn’t really consider it to be anything more than kind of rushed writing. But it is pretty suspicious when you put it all together like that.

Do you think it’s still a dream, maybe? Or is something else going on?

Why are you guys so pessimistic? I hope I am not offending you i just dunno why our impressions are vastly different. 355 completely subverted the expectations of g/tsca fans. Casca is gonna be angry, and I am sure she won’t get fair treatment by Miura but at least it will not be lovey dovey.. there are multiple ominous warnings and Casca was cheerful so far bc she didn’t remember. Also Guts is off revenge rn so the narrative *must* push him back to it. Which means g*tsca is cancelled imo

Nah, you’re right I am typically kind of a pessimistic person when it comes to continuations of things I’m into lol.

And actually thank you for this because it’s a good reminder that there are multiple reasons why g*tsca is not as sure a thing as lots of other fans think it is.

I have a lot more to say on this topic/the new chapter/etc lol, some hopeful and some still pessimistic, and today is going to be a day for it so I’ll probably answer your “why our impressions are vastly different” question soon (though idk if I’d say they’re “vastly” different), but I don’t want to here because this positivity is a good way to start the day lol.

more spoilers ofc

yesgabsstuff
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The. Fucking. Feathers.

thank you so it’s not just me thinking like

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this is kinda suspect

also the helix in the necklace a la brand of sacrifice that i just noticed?

like i’m not saying danann dressed her in this to be secretly evil, but i’m thinking it’s subtle visual hinting re: the source of her trauma, hawks/sacrifice/griffith, and purposefully suggestive as a little added layer of ominousness

i mean i’d take it as coincidence considering it’s mostly petals in the dress, but those hairpieces, man

ch 355, more random musing

i s2g it’s like this chapter was especially designed to fuck me personally up and leave me fretting for however long until the next one comes out, it has no chill it’s either my personal worst or best case scenario and i have no way of knowing which. mb this is premature since we don’t even have a full translation yet, but still. i’m stressed lol

and seeing all the skullknight fans pretty much just assuming that there’s going to be an emotional chapter followed by guts and casca hugging it out has me torn between thinking that’s a good sign bc it means miura isn’t using the ominousness as a fake-out, since it seems your typical berserk fan doesn’t think anything too bad is going to happen – the ominiousness is just plain ominiousness and if things go truly wrong it will still take people by surprise and be dramatically effective. but also what if it’s a bad sign because they’re just better at predicting berserk than me and more on miura’s current wavelength? 😦

also i’m eyeing that last image of the tree and how it looks similar to the falconia branches and various hearts of darkness

i’ve got my eye on you skellig

also eyeing the feathers in casca’s dress design tbqh

also guts looking scary and intimidating in that spread of him in the berserk armour w/ the eclipse scene behind him is good, and the more i look at the last few pages, eclipse flashback + guts -> tortured griffith -> ominous looking tree the more i’m like, hmmmmmm

as soon as we get a translation i’m re-reading the entirety of the skellig stuff so far to see if i feel like it all fits together in some way

355 spoilers

ok i just saw a pic of sane again casca that someone edited to look more like miura’s older art style and immediately started tearing up, so i’m hereby blaming my current lack of emotional investment in this whole thing on the art

i’m a visual person, it’s the difference between going ‘hmm yes this development could either lead to good or bad things storywise’ and going ‘omggggggg im crying rn i missed you so much casca!’

355 spoilers

fair warning this is v rambly and stream of consciousness, and largely negative tho not entirely

(from this summary and these scans)

hoooooooooooooooooooooooo boy

all this time and i’m still in hope for the best, prepare for the worst mode, agh this is so frustrating

(lol @ reusing a bunch of images from casca’s life we’ve already seen
in our journey thru her mind. also my god i hate the art so much rn
lol. casca’s face deserves better.)

and idk how to feel about
downplaying the fetus/moonlight boy now lol, with way more memories
alotted to guts, since apparently “there’s someone i want to meet” is
repeated towards the end here, and the one saving grace of that fetus
was the hope that casca wanted to meet it, instead of guts (or griffith
for that matter).

also danann calling guts to show up psychically which then proceeds to trigger casca seems weird and fishy to me? but idk maybe it reads as less weird in context, plus i don’t trust elfhelm so.

and i’m extremely wary about guts triggering her because he reminds her of the eclipse, rather than because he assaulted her himself. those dreamy half-remembered memories sure are convenient

on the other hand they’re also convenient for this delayed reaction happening just in time for guts’ arrival. meaning there’s a reason guts had to show up first before casca remembered the eclipse.

this chapter seems to be playing up g*tsca for the sake of sweeping the rug out from under the readers at the end when casca sees him and shit starts going down, but is that leading to actual Shit Going Down or is that leading to, idk, farnese jumping in and calming her down before nobly stepping aside so they can have a tearful reunion, or guts like, saving the day by Being There For Her For Once??

i s2g miura knows exactly what the best case and worse case scenarios are (tho he probably thinks they’re reversed) and he’s taunting me personally. like i’m sorry but ivalera joking that schierke woke up the “final boss”? just plain and simple teasing about schierke’s crush on guts or also ominous foreshadowing? casca’s last clear memory is rescuing griffith, which explains why tortured griffith is one of the final images, but why make that her last clear memory, why give that a full page at the end of the chapter right before the picture of the tree that looks visually similar to the darkness in her heart unless perhaps… a parallel?

But even if that’s the case is Casca going to use the behelit in Guts’ pouch or is Guts going to get another chance to Not Fuck It Up This Time?

I’m feeling like the odds are getting higher that after a moment of emotional peril Guts comforts her, promises to stay with her, and they live happily ever after until NeoGriffith arrives to fuck shit up versus shit actually going down and Casca graduating into a secondary antagonist role. And the odds of anything in between happening, like eg Casca rejecting Guts romantically and healing while becoming close friends with Farnese, are feeling extremely slim after this. Like, imo we’re in for either g*tsca or the “tragic” opposite of g*tsca after how it’s been played up here, not “let’s just be friends.”

Also there’s a strong chance I’m just in the denial stage rn. But like I’ve been salivating over the idea of all three Golden Age protags being enemies with their own clashing goals by the end of the series for a while now and as long as that’s still a possibility I’m going to continue to keep hope alive.

I hope that Casca feels next to the pain she had suffered also the warmth of the people surrounding here. Escpecially Farnese. At least I thought that when people wondered, why she didn t freak out right away…Maybe because since she still remembers the events after the eclipse, she is also able to integrate her “nightmarish memories” in the whole picture? Though there is a high chance that she still has to figure out, what she wishes to do with the resto f her life.

cut for leaked 355 page spoilers tho yk, beware the ask too, hope you have these tags blacklisted, etc

Honestly I’m not sure what to think based on that leaked page. Since last chapter had the ominous heart covered in thorns going on and now we’ve got Casca thanking Farnese and Schierke for taking care of her I’m feeling like yeah maybe you’ve got the right idea and maybe thanks to Farnese being awesome and caring for her Casca is already well on the road to dealing with everything?

tbh I am absolutely full of mixed feelings about this potential outcome lol, so I guess I’ll just wait til we have the whole chapter before I make any judgement calls. If the focus stays on Farnese helping Casca and Guts gets nothing this could be good. But I mean, just based on one page it’s impossible to tell whether those thorns are going to make themselves known in some other way. Guess we’ll wait and see.