mastermistressofdesire:
bthump:
mastermistressofdesire:
Oh yeah.
Oh hell yeah.
There’s definitely some moments between Farnese and Serpico which personally appear to me as echoes of golden age dynamics between Guts and Griffith, the wording in some cases seeming similar enough to almost seem like an intentional parallel.
But the parallels are also not extremely consistent ,especially in the frequent exchanging of the respective roles within the dynamic between Farnese and Serpico. In some cases it’s almost more of a twisting around of the original than a parallel. Taking into account that despite the similarities that I will go into in a moment, these are four very distinct characters.
The instance which immediately comes to mind when you say parallel is the instance when Farnese asks Serpico if he hates her. It’s very similar to Griffth’s- “You must think me vile.” moment.
There’s some other Farnese- Griffith parallels.
1. Using Control over specific people to deal with their feelings of loneliness or helplessness. Referring to Serpico/ Guts as property is a big part of this ,as is the fact that despite saying it neither of them actually mean it.
2. Farnese/Griffith starting as the commander, owner.
3.Self-flagellation
4. Guts love.
5.There’s actually some deeper things which I will come back to most probably.
6. A slight similarity in visual design.
7. Oh and them being turned on by very fucked up things and having some rather strange interpretations of sexuality and ending up in bizarre sexual situations.
the Guts-Serpico parallels come from them both being the concerned right hand men to these slightly volatile people.
there’s Griffith and Serpico parallels in this sort of veiled intensity and ruthlessness behind a calm facade. not to mention similar fighting styles.
And the fact that both of them are very single mindedly focussed on their goals which if interfered with make them prone to homicide. With Griffth it was the castle ( or so he thought) with serpico it’s protecting Farnese (or so he thinks)
and the Guts and Farnese parallel in that both of them start with being unsure of what their place is in the world and start to try the road to discovering themselves .
With Farnese/Griffith parallels I could also see a potential argument that they both rely on extreme adherence to a conviction as a defense mechanism. With Farnese it was her religion, with Griffith it’s his dream. I wonder if seeing the origins of how Farnese found her conviction could actually shed light on how Griffith came to hold the dream above all else tbh. yk, fear and wanting to become what’s feared. but that’s just un-backed-up speculation.
(also for point 7: what “very fucked up things” are you referring to that turn Griffith on? is that more of a Femto reference or am I completely forgetting something?)
Actually that Farnese/ Griffith parallel makes perfect sense. It seems very fitting and plausible.
Oh yeah,regarding point 7, I think I discussed this with someone before and came to the conclusion that it could be a very subjective interpretation I made of a certain translation of the manga and at this point I don’t remember if it was the Darkhorse translation or another one but the conclusion hit me so hard at the time- it kind of stuck.
It’s actually during the Golden age arc, during the Griffith-Charlotte scene, in the version I read Griffith asks Charlotte if she’s scared and when she doesn’t reply verbally he says- “Sad things…scary things…if these things can arouse you then-” and trails off in true Griffith fashion.
but of course he’s saying it with that distracted stare which Griffith uses when he’s actually talking to himself .
And idk really, my first reaction was- okay that’s…ouch.
And I later thought about it and realised it might not necessarily be the right interpretation. But it was warped enough to be an idea i forgot to let go of.
And then when we’re talking about Grifith and sex, it’s hard not to touch upon the Gennon angle. And it’s not that I think Griffith was in any was aroused by that interaction, I just think that from what we know that was most probably Griffith’s first sexual experience and somehow the connection between fear, unpleasantness, sorrow and sexuality may have been made then and stuck.
It would explain the nature of Griffith’s later sexual encounters a little too. The fact that he sees these things as innately linked. And sex for Griffith is intrinsically associated with otherwise unpleasant emotions.
The first experience colouring future interactions aspect is brought up with Guts as well , with him choking Casca as they made love.
There’s actually also a connection I feel between sex and vulnerability, giving up or letting go . Any sort of extreme emotional ‘leak’ has always been followed up with a sexual encounter in Griffith’s narrative. Whether it was the death of the boy soldier, Guts leaving then the ultimate emotional out pour of the eclipse.
ooooh, yk even if that is based on a mistranslation (bc yeah the dark horse version is just ‘cast all those sad and frightening things into the fire’ p much) it totally integrates into both berserk’s take on sexuality and internal darkness and it really does fit griffith as a character.
it could basically function the same way as the actual translation, ie as a description of emotional denial, except where ‘cast them into the fire’ suggests burying feelings and ignoring them, your take suggests taking those negative feelings and transforming them into something useful. which is so eclipse.
so like even if that’s relegated to headcanon, I love it and imo it really works.
when he shows up.
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