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prettykitten123
replied to your post “do you have any… griffguts pillow talk ideas… i think griff likes…”

For a post coital small talk thing I imagine Griffith maybe bringing up maybe a favorite game he used to play as a kid or a toy he used to be attached to. I also see them maybe laughing about some of the funny moments that happens in the Band of Hawks when they’re not in battle but at their camp site. I also see Griffith talking about something he read in a book or maybe he mythology he likes or a person he looks up to. He would definitely try to get Guts to talk more
About his thoughts.
When it comes to Guts I’m not quite sure what he would talk about. I’m
inclined to say maybe a happy moment that wasnt really all that
significant but nice that happened to Guts. Griffith is the only person
Guts would let himself be vulnerable to and vice versa so I do see him
talking about more personal subjects though I dont think Guts would be a
fan of talking about heavy subjects after him and Griffith just
finished doing the horizontal cha cha

So yeah I do see Guts talking about
minor nice momenta he had in his childhood. The things he talks about
arent significant but the fact that he is willing to discuss them is
what’s important since Guts is secretive about his childhood.

this is so heartwarming tbh, especially the idea of guts talking about a nice moment of his childhood, i could see that (idk what it would be, but yk i’m sure he must have /some/) and it feels like it would be a really touching counterpoint to being triggered (in canon, or in a previous time w/ griffith in this hypothetical scenario, yk).

I just noticed that guts looks exactly like femto in chapter 272

you mean with the half helmet thing going on w/ his face underneath the berserker armour?

bc ia, i actually kind of wrote a post comparing their armour designs a while ago lol. tho ngl i think femto’s design is like, way better just aesthetically. guts looks too much like batman when he’s still conscious in the armour lol.

madchen
replied to your post “also somewhat relatedly i love the thought of all those little moments…”

i actually always saw the last thing griffith remembers as a call back to the first bit we see of them together in the black swordsman arc (when griffith pulls the bodies off of guts) idk why now bc they both look older and i like this better.

i think it might be anyway, like not a return to that scene specifically bc they are def older, but it’s another scene where griffith seems to help a minorly injured guts after a battle. the first time we saw them together was a flashback, the last time is a flashback, the first time they were just starting to open up to each other, the last time they have their arms around each other just enjoying each others’ presences

yk as an illustration of their relationship it’s pretty apt especially as a compare/contrast to that very first scene, whether it’s intentional or not

also somewhat relatedly i love the thought of all those little moments in their relationship that we know existed but never get to really see, at least not in detail, in like the 3-4 years they had before everything got all fucked

the little quiet moments pre and post battle, eating together, drinking together, chatting about nothing important, or griffith opening up to guts the way we’ve seen a few times but must’ve happened more than that, laughing together, sparring together, whatever. there’s just so much potential there.

but i’m glad that we got to see just enough of them to hint at the little chill unimportant-to-the-plot moments, just enough to get the sense of the casual intimacy of their relationship

like guts trying to see griffith after the zodd fight because why the hell shouldn’t he go visit him? or like corkus calling guts griffith’s favourite. or like guts casually reclining in griffith’s study paging thru the kama sutra while griffith talks about the assassination attempt.

or like owen’s memory

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and some of the official art is gr8 for this too

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and mb my favourite two examples:

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like, i love that after the eclipse guts’ mournful memory of griffith is one we never actually saw, nothing particularly important, nothing relevant to the plot – just one instance of griffith glancing back at him before a battle.

and griffith’s last memory before making the sacrifice is also nothing relevant to the plot, nothing particularly important, just the two of them limping away after one battle out of a hundred together.

because it’s those moments that really, really define their relationship, moreso even than griffith saving guts from zodd or guts dedicating his sword to griffith or griffith’s breakdown when guts left or guts realizing he fucked up when he left, etc etc.

+ it’s those little details that rly sell their relationship even when we don’t get to see all that much of the casual pointless in-between moments imo. like the big important moments are incredibly good and why i ship them, but it’s just nice to know that those moments aren’t the only ones that matter.

madchen
replied to your post “do you have any… griffguts pillow talk ideas… i think griff likes…”

Griffith definitely tries to prompt guts into talking more and more (he tacks on “and…?” to guts one word answers) bc he loves guts as a person and listening to him talk about anything even like… what he had for lunch today (evening quickies :/) or dirt or whatever. vice versa too like u said. i think its a lot of personal and seemingly meaningless stuff sometimes that feels very intimate. just like griffith commenting on his nail beds that he pick and raising his hand to guts face to show
griffith also likes to
spring shit on guts when hes feeling especially vulnerable and bold
post coital. nothing serious but “how do you think id look in a dress?”
or “have you played strip poker before?” or the dreaded “was that good
for you too?”

yesssss i love this! griffith just listening starry eyed to guts talking about the sandwich he had for lunch or w/e. and uggh while i’m so bad at thinking of examples i love the thought of them just talking about nothing in particular.

and the question thing is so weirdly perfect? like one part wanting to fill the silence afterwards, one part getting like, mild emotional security listening to guts talk about something afterwards, and one part just being freer w/ his words/thoughts after sex. idk i love it. ty!

do you have any… griffguts pillow talk ideas… i think griff likes listening to guts talk(i keep sending you questions im sowwee but your scholarly opinions matter)

lol now this… i have absolutely nothing. what do people talk about? what do people in weird fantasy medieval times talk about? what do griffith and guts talk about when it’s not plot related? ??? ????????????

idk like, i could see them pretentiously philosphizing together but probably not right after sex. talking about their day? griffith maybe would, idt guts would. idt guts is that small-talk-y. he can go on for sure, but it’s mainly self-reflection and philosophical stuff. (then again he has done that after sex in canon, so)

but like ignoring the question of conversation topics, i def think griffith would like listening to guts talk, and vice versa. i could see griffith asking guts questions to try to get him to talk about something he’s interested in. and guts would be happy to listen to griffith talking about… idk whatever. serious topics, self-reflective ones, or what kind of tea he had that day with which asshole nobleman he had to humour, or whatever.

do you have any ideas about what they’d casually chat about?

oh and like, the second duel is less guts winning his freedom/equality and more guts demolishing griffith and costing him his freedom, both literally and figuratively

like we knew that already – guts left to establish their equality but it was wrongheaded and when he returned griffith had been tortured for a year was totally dependent and had just had a monologue reflecting on guts’ hold on him – but yk the waterfight is a little extra point now.

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it only just occurred to me that guts doesn’t necessarily mean ‘now this waterfight is a draw’ but it’s more likely that he means ‘now you won a fight and i won a fight.’

which makes this waterfight and “now we’re even” even more meaningful than i’ve been saying lol. it’s like a negation of the first duel, meaning that guts is symbolically only bound to the hawks by his affection for everyone – which works perfectly with the scene right after this one where guts deliberately chooses to stay after rickert congratulates him and he thinks, “for now.”

also newsflash assholes you’ve been equal the entire goddamn time

prettykitten123
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One of these days I will reread the golden age arc and write the most shameless must self-indulgent smut for those two, I will go all out, pull out all the stops. I like my smut explicit and without shame lol. If madchen doesnt mind I would like to borrow the Guts service top idea. And I know you guys said Guts probably wouldnt be into rough sex and I agree too but he would be sooo good at it. I will write that in just to be self-indulgent.

niiiice! nothing wrong with shameless self indulgence, i support you

madchen
replied to your post “do you have… any griffith topping for the first time/in general…”

i have more thoughts but i agree to all u said i think griffith would have a hard time getting into the physical sensation of it at first especially bc his whole focus is on making sure guts feels good. also yea guts asks for it idk why but yea he totally would want griffith to top him after a while

ty glad you agree. and yeah i feel like griffith would have that perfectionist thing going on during sex if he was in control. Well, with someone who he cared about at least.

slightly vent-y so this is under a cut

prettykitten123
replied to your post “shipping g*tsca is one thing but glorifying their relationship is so…”

@bthump this is unfortunately a problem found in too many fandoms, one group of fans feeling more superior over another because of their ship. Kurokura shippers get a lot of heat in the hunter x hunter fandom, same as izaya x shizuo shippers and Izuku x Bakugou. People just like being opinionated assholes but I feel like people get all pissy more so when the ship is yaoi

oh yeah i definitely see it everywhere, i don’t personally know any of those examples but i see it in my other fandoms every day so.

it’s basically shipwars but instead of calling shippers of the thing you don’t like dumbasses you call them bigoted and/or abusive. it’s awful, unfun, and only makes it harder to call out actually offensive behaviour on an individual basis when everyone’s used to being called, like, racist for having either poe or finn top the other in their star wars fic, or fetishizing for shipping anything gay that isn’t the current acceptable “pure” thing of the week lbr, or pedophilic for shipping two literal adults with an age difference, or misogynist for shipping two dudes who spend all their screen time together while ignoring a non-canonical wife that was mentioned off-handedly in one line of a novelization, etc.

(none of these are exaggerations lol. i once saw someone call bryan fuller a gay fetishizer for wearing a shirt with hannigram fanart. yes, the gay man who wrote the ship into his own show lmao.)

and yeah it always hits the gay ships hardest is2g, every single time.

do you have… any griffith topping for the first time/in general thoughts asia?

it would definitely be a big relationship milestone.

guts would be the one to ask for it. griffith… hm idk whether he’d be outwardly reluctant, but i think he would definitely be trepidatious, like, i think he’d be irrationally terrified of triggering guts, especially while topping him, even if guts reassures him that even if he freaks out it’s be nbd in the grand scheme of things and they can just try again another time.

i’m assuming that like canon guts has already been triggered during sex at least once and therefore they know it’s a possibility.

so griffith would be super slow and careful and pull out all the stops to make it as good as possible, setting the mood, making out/foreplay beforehand, mb rimming, blowing him while slowly fingering him, etc.

and I think Guts would love that btw, he might roll his eyes and tell Griffith to hurry up but he would be so into being slowly and thoroughly made love to. all griffith’s focus and energy being directed at him. he wouldn’t be v responsive though lol, i could see griffith asking for reassurance 50 times and guts like, ‘yes it’s great, you’re amazing, get on with it’ because I just don’t see guts as all that vocal in bed.

also i like to think that it goes perfectly fine, at least the first time. i don’t think one flashback and pouring his heart out once would actually fix guts’ childhood trauma lol, i’m sure he’ll be triggered more than once in his life, but ptsd flashbacks aren’t exactly super predictable afaik and i mean it would just be nice if guts enjoyed his first time bottoming.

and then afterwards griffith would just be super blown away by guts trusting him enough to ask him to fuck him, and tbh i think it would be a bigger deal to griffith than guts, like it wouldn’t be meaningless or anything to guts, but i think he’d downplay it a bit.

a few years down the line they start occasionally playing rock paper scissors to decide who has to top lol. though overall i think guts would still top more often, less because of trauma and more because i just hc him w/ more verse tendencies than griffith.

ETA and I just noticed you also asked in general not just first time, so I also want to add that I think Griffith wouldn’t be super into topping. He’d be into Guts wanting him, but along w/ my sub Griffith hcs I think that he’d prefer to lay back and experience rather than create the experience for Guts, yk? he’d find topping stressful. otoh I think he would absolutely do it if Guts wanted it and he wouldn’t really think of it like that to himself, he wouldn’t think of topping as something that stresses him out and makes him overthink lol, he’d just put too much effort into it and wouldn’t really be able to relax and enjoy the experience.

Like I can see where top and/or powerbottom Griffith comes from, and I could def see Griffith taking charge during sex (particularly power bottoming, esp when they first get together. Griff on top, riding Guts, controlling the pace and initiating things, etc), I think he’d be p good at it too, but I don’t think he’d prefer it, basically.

hbu, what are your Thoughts?

i’m capping this bc i’m p sure if g*tsca is uncensored, even in asks, this post will show up when ppl search the tag bc tumblr is fucking terrible lol

lol i wish, i don’t ever expect anything canon from griffguts but it’d sure be nice esp knowing how many of miura’s stated influences are super gay. i mean he could at the very least canonically confirm that the golden age was 100% mutually requited pining gone wrong, we all know it’s true lol. either way tho i want casca to get her own arc so bad.

also imagine farnesca vibes w/ apostle casca. i know i always cite jill and rosine as a griffguts parallel but i’m js, it’d work with them too.

shipping g*tsca is one thing but glorifying their relationship is so ?? I love guts and I’m aware that he saved her countless times but he still assaulted her, called her a bitch etc but most people don’t even care bc that’s just how berserk is and casca‘s his waifu uwuwu + their relationship always seemed kind of forced to me (thanks judeau)

yeah like, as far as ships go, it’s dark, very far from traditionally romantic, textually abusive af – both purposefully post-eclipse and probably accidentally on miura’s part pre-eclipse what with guts grabbing her tit in the middle of an argument and things like that – and reflects a whole lot of the author’s misogyny.

i personally have no problem w/ ppl who enjoy g*tsca anyway in theory, idgaf if people ship dark fucked up ships and i ship a million of them myself, but man i wish so many berserk fans didn’t pretend it’s something it very much isn’t for the sake of getting pissy at those who don’t care for the ship lol.

and i’m not one of those fans who are like, “you have to acknowledge how ~problematic~ something is every time you mention it” (obviously lol), like i also dgaf about g*tsca fans romanticizing it generally, but like in the context of pitting one ship against another on moral grounds, or genuinely wishing for guts and casca to live happily ever after together in canon, or accusing people who don’t ship it of hating casca or not wanting casca to be happy lol, i feel like it’s a pretty glaring omission to sweep, eg, the fact that casca is afraid of him because he sexually assaulted her under the rug.

idk basically my stance is ship what u want but don’t act like it makes you morally superior, and the fact that so many people do get on weird judgemental high horses over g*tsca of all ships blows my mind lol.

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@alluka-zoldyck-official lol sorry i often check out ppl’s tags on my posts and jsyk griffith’s panel is from chapter one (the second chapter 1, technically the 17th chapter) when he and guts are talking after guts’ argument with casca, and the 2nd panel is from chapter 29 during the victory parade when guts is thinking about how impressive griffith is.

and

they’re not sequential, i just dig the looks on their faces when they’re fondly reminiscing about each other.

chaoticgaygriffith:

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mastermistressofdesire:

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seisans
replied to your post “(½)Was thinking in a canon au if Griff and Guts actually did confess…”

js if guts and griffith made out griffith would freak out not just about his dream but also about the fact that guts might have just been drunk or had a little lapse of judgment and would regret it in the morning & leave

this is an extremely good point

man there are so many ways for griffith to be a complete mess about this lol. i feel like guts would be the relatively chill one.

Like Guts would be chill with it but it’s not in his nature to aggressively pursue something like that also like his track record of taking a little while to catch up with the full extent of his emotions.

So he’d be waiting for cues from Griff,

And Griffith would basically see the laid back thing as both a relief as well blow because on one hand it would be easy to write off all these new emotional feels and go back to status quo on the other hand Guts not seeming concerned would be taken as him not being as into it as Griffith is, which could make him feel less empowered and thereby pretending to not care either because he doesn’t want to be the one who’s being emotional about it.

And Guts would just be like “okay well not a surprise, I may have gotten ahead of myself anyway”

lol there are so many ways they could blow little miscommunications out of proportion.

i think guts could at least save the day here with his tendency to try to have conversations and speak his mind about stuff.

though now that i think about it guts does only tend to force conversations w/ griffith if he’s surprised about griffith going above and beyond for him/demonstrating his feelings. he didn’t talk about the promrose hall speech because it made sense to him, unlike griffith saving him from zodd or w/e lol.

so yeah if griffith withdrew after a kiss or a night together or w/e i could totally see guts being hurt but going along with it. 😦

maybe they could figure their shit out next time griffith does something stupid for guts and guts is like, ‘okay wtf is the deal here.’

or, as per tradition, a hawk member forces them to face the gay reality

lol yeah this was originally about casca being the one to tell them what the deal is, wasn’t it

rickert could help too

ok i’m sorry but in addition to the excellent way this hugely significant moment of triumph for Griffith’s dream concludes with Griffith seeking Guts out across a crowded ballroom and through a window so he can smile at him:

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Contrast that to the way Charlotte keeps trying and failing get Griffith’s attention in these two chapters lmao.

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Like this is just a perfect little microcosm of where Griffith’s emotional priorities now lie lol, his dream is Right There but he only has eyes for Guts.

oh also just to throw something out there

that expression guts and griffith have when they’re fondly thinking about each other is also p much the exact same expression (huge art shift aside) we see when casca thinks about guts in her most recent chapter and we’re supposed to see her as in love with him

casca’s got prominent and more open teary eyes because they’re freaking huge, but otherwise it looks the exact same to me lol

mastermistressofdesire:

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seisans
replied to your post “(½)Was thinking in a canon au if Griff and Guts actually did confess…”

js if guts and griffith made out griffith would freak out not just about his dream but also about the fact that guts might have just been drunk or had a little lapse of judgment and would regret it in the morning & leave

this is an extremely good point

man there are so many ways for griffith to be a complete mess about this lol. i feel like guts would be the relatively chill one.

Like Guts would be chill with it but it’s not in his nature to aggressively pursue something like that also like his track record of taking a little while to catch up with the full extent of his emotions.

So he’d be waiting for cues from Griff,

And Griffith would basically see the laid back thing as both a relief as well blow because on one hand it would be easy to write off all these new emotional feels and go back to status quo on the other hand Guts not seeming concerned would be taken as him not being as into it as Griffith is, which could make him feel less empowered and thereby pretending to not care either because he doesn’t want to be the one who’s being emotional about it.

And Guts would just be like “okay well not a surprise, I may have gotten ahead of myself anyway”

lol there are so many ways they could blow little miscommunications out of proportion.

i think guts could at least save the day here with his tendency to try to have conversations and speak his mind about stuff.

though now that i think about it guts does only tend to force conversations w/ griffith if he’s surprised about griffith going above and beyond for him/demonstrating his feelings. he didn’t talk about the promrose hall speech because it made sense to him, unlike griffith saving him from zodd or w/e lol.

so yeah if griffith withdrew after a kiss or a night together or w/e i could totally see guts being hurt but going along with it. 😦

maybe they could figure their shit out next time griffith does something stupid for guts and guts is like, ‘okay wtf is the deal here.’

jyuanka
replied to your post “ok actually on this subject i’ve been thinking about this recently and…”

(not exactly related but): it’s serpico who calls farnese cute when guts is captured.

ty! I didn’t see this in the dark horse version, but there serpico does call her “charming” to guts, which which guts also echoes sarcastically later (”charming huh?” or smthn like that) when he’s watching farnese do her self flagellation thing. So maybe that got turned into cute in a scanlation.

seisans
replied to your post “(½)Was thinking in a canon au if Griff and Guts actually did confess…”

js if guts and griffith made out griffith would freak out not just about his dream but also about the fact that guts might have just been drunk or had a little lapse of judgment and would regret it in the morning & leave

this is an extremely good point

man there are so many ways for griffith to be a complete mess about this lol. i feel like guts would be the relatively chill one.

griff-guts
replied to your post “ok actually on this subject i’ve been thinking about this recently and…”

as far as i remember guts only ever explicitly comments on appearance/beauty when it comes to griffith (save for those two casca instances already mentioned)

ty for the second opinion!

Yeah like tbf there aren’t a whole pile of examples of Guts commenting on Griffith’s looks either, but he’s also got “bet that’s the first time that pretty face’s ever been hit,” lol. “The more dazzling he is in my eyes” is kind of a grey area since that’s not so much about looks but yk. Dude def waxes poetic about him a lot.

@prettykitten123 said:
But when you think
about it Griffith is the most beautiful person in ths entire manga, abd
looks aside he is also the most intelligent and the most ambitious. Guts
already set the bar too high by falling for Griffith first. Everyone
else just looks like pebbles on the road in comparison to Griffith XD 

lmao true, once you fall for the dude who’s so beautiful it’s an important thematic plot point, you’re kinda screwed.

ok actually on this subject i’ve been thinking about this recently and i have a question for everyone who may know:

has guts ever described a woman as attractive in any way – pretty, beautiful, hot, sexy, etc?

I’ve got him reassuring casca that she looks “pretty good” when she’s fretting about her dress at the ball. I’ve also got him saying she’ll distract him “looking like that” ie with her clothes torn up, during the wyald fight, and those are the only examples I can think of.

I saw someone say once that he called Farnese cute at one point, but I re-read the chapters where he first encounters her and couldn’t find it, so if it’s somewhere else ihni where to look, and I’m wondering if it might be a scanlation thing. But someone point me in the right direction if that rings a bell plz.

Anyway I re-read a bunch of hetero scenes and found nothing, so my basic point if no one corrects me is that Griffith wins when it comes to Guts’ thoughts on people’s looks, with his “at that time he shone before me as beautiful” line lol.

prettykitten123
replied to your post “prettykitten123
replied to your post “chaoticgaygriffith:

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I think Griffith is gay, even though I feel like he doesn’t know it(maybe after a while he came to realize it, especially after Guts left him) as for Guts his sexuality is a mystery to me. I know he definitely likes men(even though he probably definitely doesnt understand that or acknowledge it) attraction to women is debatable.
The way I see it we
cant really pinpoint what Guts’ sexuality is or his thoughts on women.
Griffith was the first to give Guts something that he never had and I
feel like his affection for Griffith is dominantly based on this. No one
else in the manga, both men and women, have yet to give Guts what
Griffith gave him thus why no one has yet to win over his affections.

ia tbh

for me I think Griffith is variable, like i could see him being either super repressed about being gay thanks to a) his dream revolving around marrying a woman and b) gennon being the only textually gay dude in berserk (thx miura) and griffith being taken advantage of at probably the age where he’d be just starting to realize he had feelings of attraction to men, like, that seems extremely likely to fuck him up.

But I could also see him accepting that he’s attracted to men – I mean he reads a lot, he seems fairly worldly, maybe gennon isn’t his only exposure to same-sex attraction, etc – but also not thinking it’s important because it’s incompatible with his dream.

Either way though I definitely can’t see him as anything but gay.

Wrt Guts I see him as gay too. He could be bi easily enough, but it’s just so easy for me to see his short-lived relationship with Casca as repression at work lol. Like saying she was the only person who could touch him back in the day, which was textually because she’s a woman (and also wrong bc Griffith also could) feels really suggestive of this to me. And of course the way their relationship screams rebound from their feelings for Griffith for both of them. And post eclipse, the only times he thinks of Casca sexually are when Griffith is also somehow involved, a la

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And of course the entire Beast of Darkness debacle.

But yeah sexualities aside, since I mean it still could go either way from gay to bi, so w/e, that’s a really good point about Griffith being the only person in the manga who’s given Guts what he’s so desperately wanted – ie affection and attention and respect from someone Guts respects. It’s Griffith who he wants to look at him. Not Casca, not any of his rpg group or any of the other Hawks, just Griffith. It’s Griffith whose respect he feels like he needs to earn, no one else’s. It’s Griffith who he needs to feel equal to, no one else. It’s Griffith who he’s been obsessed with, no one else.

It’s why their relationship is still so extra lol, it’s shown as singular in the story, whether Miura meant that to be sexual or not.

So yeah idk, good comment basically, I just wanted to ramble on the subject lol.