do you plan to make a big guts meta? if yes how many arcs would it cover. love your metas.

Thank you!

Hmm I sort of do have a plan for a more extensive Guts-centric post, though I don’t think it would be as long as the Griffith one. Though like the Griffith one it would be largely about Guts’ dream and his relationship with Griffith.

And it would probably cover Black Swordsman – right before the Eclipse, with a shorter, more critical section or maybe follow up post on everything from the Eclipse on, because honestly I want to sit down and really hash out exactly how the Eclipse fails to knock down the thematic pins Miura had set up. Like even up to the Wyald chapters he has this perfect set-up going on, and then imo he mostly fails to utilize it during and after the Eclipse, and I keep kind of talking about it on my blog lol but only in broad strokes, I want to dig into it.

BUT that said most of it would be talking about how great Guts’ narrative is in the first two arcs, I wouldn’t let the criticism overwhelm it. And who knows, I might catch more interesting details when I look over everything again with this in mind and end up less critical than expected.

sad thing about black swordsman arc is that i liked what miura was going for in the first place (guts motives for revenge, evil fetus being a metaphor) also they were actually ~deeper~ than emasculating guts. miura making g*tsca happen for the drama ruined it. also it made berserk kinda mediocre lol

Yeah I really feel like the Eclipse just, hugely cheapened just about everything that was interesting about Guts in the Black Swordsman arc by putting all the focus on a) how someone else’s pain affects Guts and b) like you said, the suggested emasculation of Guts watching someone else give his girlfriend an orgasm. And that might be seen as an uncharitable take on the scene lol but Casca’s arousal seriously is the central visual focus, and it’s what the rape scene builds up to, and it remains all about Guts’ feelings, and it’s so simultaneously offensive and just… cheap and boring.

It straight up mystifies me how Miura decided to add g*tsca for more Eclipse drama (ie the rape scene) and somehow didn’t realize that not only does the Eclipse not require any additional drama, but it overwrites the actual drama the Eclipse should’ve had as a personally traumatizing event to Guts. It’s just so frustrating lmao.

Wrt the fetus you can kind of tilt your head and still see it as a symbol for the futility of revenge – in hindsight now it’s more like a haunting reminder of Guts abandoning Casca – but it doesn’t work nearly as well because in the BS arc it’s visually depicted as a representation of like, Guts’ own inner demon – the pathetic monstrousness left when revenge consumes the rest of you.

So you have things like Guts’ nightmare where it’s chasing him which is echoed in his chapter 13 nightmare where it’s Donovan chasing him, and then echoed again in his vision after killing Adonis where it’s Zodd/Donovan/himself. How’s that supposed to work thematically if the fetus is a symbol of a relationship/his humanity lmao? Or the vision Guts had of the fetus with Vargas’ face?

And I mean I love the Beast of Darkness bc i’m easy for evil dark sides lol, but honestly the vibe the fetus had in the BS arc was better, because of that patheticness. It wasn’t cool, it wasn’t powerful, it was just sad, like the Vargas parallels.

Anyway ty for this ask and giving me an opportunity to complain some more, I’m glad you agree.

is it bad that i want guts’ new party to die (well except casca)??? like no offense but i’m so sick of this found family rpg shit and miura has failed to make me care about any of the new characters. also isidro and puck are so damn annoying. i miss old gritty berserk and i also miss miura’s old art style :///

lol no, I know I’d cheer if half the rpg group died. I mean I’m fond of Farnese, Serpico, and Puck when he’s not interacting with Isidro, and it would be ridiculous and terrible if Casca died after everything, but everyone else could be horribly killed off next update and I’d be overjoyed. I’m dying for a dark shake up of Guts’ narrative, and I have virtually no emotional attachment to anyone except the characters I listed.

And even the ones I do like I’d be willing to sacrifice for the sake of more of what I love about Berserk, ie grimdark violence, characters making disastrous choices because that grimdark violence has meaningfully impacted them, and homoeroticism.

The Godhand have always been shady, I mean Griffith and one up them by killing them for killing his precious army .. They cornered him and he was at his most vulnerable I was surprised how fast he was convinced lol. I knew the bastard wanted his “me kingdom ” but damn he didn’t hesitate. Godhand using Griffith to get Guts sounds more plausible honestly Griffith is a puppet.

I’m not really sure what you mean by your first sentence, sorry. Otherwise, idk I think it’s surprising how much convincing it took Griffith to make the sacrifice, like, I would’ve completely understood and still found him sympathetic if he took the Godhand up on their offer instantly lol and instead it took a chapter and a half of manipulative guilt tripping.

Also the Godhand don’t seem to care much about Guts as an enemy so idk if they’re really plotting against him, but calling Griffith is a puppet of the Idea of Evil/Fate/whatever does seem accurate. Maybe even Void too, he seems like he could be scheming something.

what do you think of the 2016 berserk anime?

lol i haven’t watched it. i’ve seen i think the first few episodes from the second season – hill of swords to the fight outside flora’s house iirc – and I feel like that’s more than enough for me.

it brings nothing new to the table as far as i can tell (well, i’ll give them the sexy soulful sax music while guts contemplates griffith’s ass, that was a bold and exciting choice) and everything about it varies from lacklustre to immensely disappointing in execution.

also i respect wanting to adapt a part of berserk that isn’t the golden age but when the fuck am i gonna get to see the black swordsman arc animated??? that should be priority number one i m h o

ALSO ngriff getting sacrificed by guts could be like… depicted as a contrast between the hawks and the godhand, how he exchanged one family for another, because the godhand would find that hilarious and presumably they would be the ones to kill him, or enable monster guts to kill him as per the sacrifice, or whatever. so yk it also harks back to what griffith gave up when he sacrificed the hawks.

what would you like to change in berserk? actually im asking how the story would work without using rape as a plot device but also in general (characterization, plot etc.)

Ooh this is an interesting question, ty!

I wouldn’t change either Guts or Griffith’s backstories tbh, I think they’re actually pretty well done, and important to their characters and narratives without being the be all end all. Well, I’d like to make Gennon less of an evil gay stereotype and Donovan less of a scary black man stereotype but yk, other than those details the existence of rape in their backstories isn’t something I’d change.

With Casca… tough call. Her story is all about gendered violence to the point where if you got rid of the rape attempts you’d have to come up with a whole new story for her. But it’s still a shallower and less well-rounded depiction of abuse than either guts or griffith’s backstories, bc it’s so emphatically gendered, like, rather than informing her personality or her choices it’s just framed as being a woman.

So actually I guess for Casca what I’d change is (actually pretty obviously lol) her motivations. She’s not in love with Griffith, she idealizes his dream because she knows he wants to dismantle those power structures that fuck her over and create a place where those w/ power can’t easily abuse their power over others. She hates Guts not because she’s jealous of him (tho she could still be jealous of his emotional closeness with Griffith, like she’d still admire Griffith here even if she’s not in love with him and I like that rival dynamic), but because she recognizes that he could end up destroying Griffith’s dream.

Also I think we can still cut out most of the rape threats she gets while still showing that she has something to fight against. Maybe keep Adon being a gross dick (in all fairness he kind of mirrors Gennon towards Griffith which kind of shows how they’re fighting for the same dream – ie a world where those kinds of dudes are shut down) but have Casca just fighting for her life rather than against rape attempts as she runs from the 100 man fight.

So nothing really changes much until Guts comes back from his vacation. And now Casca is genuinely, genuinely angry and hateful towards him, because he did exactly what she’s been afraid he was going to do – destroyed Griffith’s dream, and her hope for a better future.

Which means they don’t have sex lol, Casca was never into Guts, they began a friendship towards the end of the war but nothing more. And now that Guts has come back Casca is actively hostile to him, though after Guts lets her stab him she probably forgives him a bit bc it’s not like he intended to destroy absolutely everything, and he’s clearly fucked up about it.

Also no suicide attempt.

So their dynamic during the rescue mission is resentful allies, like a throwback to their first three years knowing each other.

Wyald still happens but no attempted rape w/ Casca obviously.

Now when it comes to the Eclipse, I want it to be all about Guts, and I want it to hit the audience over the head with parallels to his childhood. It’s the Eclipse, it doesn’t need to be subtle. Rather than looking wistful when Griffith sacrifices everyone, I want Guts to look betrayed, I want him to look just as sad and horrified as he did when he was 11 and Gambino told him he sold him to Donovan.

Agh I’d hate to lose the creepy silent monster vibe from Femto, but something like a cold, “you’re still alive?” would be v fitting w/ the “you should have died” parallels. Tho idk I’m torn on that.

And ok I said I want it to be all about Guts but I can’t just kill off Casca. But if she’s gonna live the Eclipse needs some serious personal meaning for her too. So maybe her reaction to being sacrificed, knowing it’s for the dream she’s dedicated her life to and in theory she should be willing to give her life for it, and trying to reconcile that with the horrificness of the situation and her desperate desire to survive anyway. So she survives long enough for Femto to show up, because she’s not the third best fighter in the Hawks for nothing, and then…

torture? Femto has monsters hold Guts down and tortures Casca in a way reminiscent of a kid pulling the wings off a fly. She loses an arm, Guts keeps his because he’s too busy being utterly terrified and possibly flashbacking to hack his own arm off in a rage.

Like, one thing about the Eclipse rape, is that if Miura had to have it as a way of emotionally affecting Guts, how the fuck did he manage to draw like two chapters of awful awful shit with Guts being held down by monsters that he’d just watched rape Casca, and completely fail to allude to Guts’ own rape trauma? How. Hooooow it’s mind boggling. It’s absurd.

But you don’t even need the graphic rape for that, like hell, Miura has absolutely adequately set up the correlation between giant monsters Guts is compelled to fight and his own childhood trauma imo to justify Guts having a very emotional traumatic reaction to just being held down and made helpless by monsters after being essentially given to them.

There’s Black Swordsman Guts in a nutshell, and this is exactly what was implied to have caused him to go full traumatized amoral asshole. Before g*tsca was a gleam in Miura’s eye all he had were those parallels to Guts’ childhood trauma – Guts being given away to monsters by someone he trusted – and that’s all he needed.

So anyway, because Casca lives, she has her own reaction to being casually tortured by Femto before being rescued, which is also a replay of her childhood trauma but without the agency of killing her attacker herself with a sword. So her reaction could very well be similar to Guts’ – a desire to kill monsters and get revenge. Maybe she’s lost her idealism wrt the dream, and she’s more cynical now – a better world is impossible, best you can do is survive this one.

She and Guts go their separate ways because they’re barely friends, let alone lovers, and remember 2 brands = big ghost problems.

After this the narrative splits 3 ways between NGriff, Guts, and Casca.

I’m reaching the limits of my creativity lol. So I’m just gonna suggest that Guts gets the behelit, Casca gets the armour and the rpg group, Casca gets the moving on arc and hooks up with Farnese while maybe finding a happy medium between changing the world and lashing out against the world, and Guts succumbs to his inner darkness and gets a highly emotional confrontation with Griffith. Since he has the behelit maybe he uses it upon realizing that Griffith’s heart is still beating for him, bc the emotional conflict is just too much, and sacrifices Griffith to become a Zodd-esque apostle wandering battlefields and fighting for no reason, basically returned to his pre-Griffith state.

It’s probably shorter than 355 chapters too lbr. I’d say NGriff creates Falconia right before the confrontation with Guts, so yk he achieves his dream b4 ironically getting sacrificed. Otherwise his story doesn’t change much. Maybe stronger suggestions that he’s not as unemotional as he looks, to build up to a guts confrontation better.

Like… I’m not a very creative or good writer lol but I feel this general outline could be written in a very good and satisfying way by someone with talent, like Miura.

Do you accept meta requests? ‘Cause I would love to read an analysis of the historical/geographical parallels in Berserk

I definitely take questions and prompts and stuff into consideration and as inspiration, but tbh I think I’d have to disappoint you on this one bc this is way outside my area of expertise. I’m more film studies than history lol, if I tried to write this I’d never be able to do it justice.

I appreciate you asking though, and I hope someone who knows more history than I do does write something like this because it would be interesting to read.

chaoticgaygriffith:

#the damn dream is everywhere

@bthump literally the conclusion i came to when i was thinking about scenes in which he was, to some degree, relaxed

i want to like brainstorm personality traits that he didn’t deliberately manufacture to help him achieve his dream now lol.

like yeah, playful. i think he’s naturally confident, charismatic, and a leader type. competitive, but still a graceful loser. empathetic too tbqh, he’s very aware of ppl’s feelings and he genuinely cares, and you’d see that way more if he didn’t constantly bury it lol. also a bit of a mediator? he doesn’t like real interpersonal conflict (his reaction to guts and casca’s rivalry, or casca being pissy at corkus, etc). he still cares what people think of him, dream or no dream imo. but he might take pride in being hated by awful people. i don’t think he’d necessarily try to get everyone to like him – just the people he likes.

would he still be ambitious? if he didn’t have the one dream, would he find another, maybe less soul destroying goal to latch onto? I think he’d still feel a need to prove his worth as a person, to justify his existence by contributing something to the world. but if he didn’t get people killed when he first started maybe he’d be more chill about it. maybe he’d volunteer at a non profit or something instead.

would he still be a complete idiot about his own feelings or would he be more self-aware if he didn’t need to bury his emotions for the sake of his dream? i could def see him being more self-aware, but that’s not as fun lol.

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The OVAs are also very pretty which balances out some of the odd choices in what they cut out etc. IMO
(But also I agree the ‘97 anime is the best)

oh true I love the character design in the ovas way more than the anime, and not just bc of the different styles. that’s a huge selling point lol.

tho ngl while i’m less a fan of the anime character design i do love that 90s animation look in general. plus the intro and outro songs.

what is your favorite berserk adaptation?

mmm I’d have to go with the 97 anime. I appreciate the ovas and how in one or two ways they actually manage to improve on the source material (i’m thinking griffith going to charlotte after guts leaves) and how despite making terrible adaptation choices they do manage to largely emphasize what i like about the story (ie griffguts) and indicate that despite yk, cutting most of griffith’s character, they do understand him to an extent (eg subtly showing that he’s bullshitting when he says he feels nothing towards gennon by having him back his horse away when gennon touches him).

the anime is different in that I don’t think the creators really like what I like about the manga or have the same understanding of it as me, but it’s also a much more faithful adaptation overall, so by virtue of that it’s still better. everything it changes from the manga is for the worse, but it doesn’t change all that much, and it gets some key moments very right in contrast to the ovas (eg the moment griffith chooses to sacrifice the hawks. the anime did it perfectly by copying the manga exactly, while the ovas made griffith look like a sinister scheming villain lol).

plus in the dub at least (i still haven’t rewatched the sub to that point) griffith lists “love” as one of the feelings he has towards guts that he’s been obsessing over in the torture chamber, and i can’t deny i fuckin love that.

also yk it includes the naked waterfight and griffith’s backstory and motivation.

like i have a lot of nitpicky beefs with the anime and I’d never consider it a legit alternative to the manga lol, but it’s still a pretty good adaptation.

yk i low-key find it funny that the early anime eps have a few non-canonical scenes where Guts does a smart battle thing and Casca internally monologues about how she’s secretly impressed, because they clearly took Casca’s internal monologuing from chapters 14-15 and ran with it, but in the manga every thought she has about Guts is in regards to how Griffith feels about him.

Like, Casca’s not the Guts commentator, she’s very specifically the griffguts commentator, and the anime turning her into the Guts commentator just highlights that all those moments are invented for the anime in an attempt to build up to g*tsca less jarringly than the manga.

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same god tho i tend to prefer canon anyway so that works out

yeah same and one nice thing about berserk is that canon aus (or whatever you call AUs where it’s basically same as canon but one thing happened differently, which are my fave kind of aus) are so full of possibilities and fun to think about without changing the characters at all

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yeah exactly that, and i don’t really like assigning an imaginary personality that i would personally enjoy .. to him? you know what i mean? so i’m just like, yeah i wish i knew which rpdr queens he would like, that’d tell me a lot about him

yeah this is a lot of why I kind of suck at modern au concepts. unless I can come up with a strong modern equivalent to his life in canon I feel like I’m not creative enough to fill in the blanks lol.

(so like, eg if there was a queen who tends to take huge risks and forces them through sheer effort to pay off or smthn I’d be like, he’d like her best bc we know he admires behaviour like that. otherwise, idk.)

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yeah, it’s just such a fun show that it’s hard to think about this when we don’t really know griffith when he’s at his most relaxed. or what he REALLY likes about other people. like pretty much all the queens work hard (though some obviously stand out) but some are look queens, some have personalities that really stand out, some are funny, and i’m like well i could see him appreciating all of this so … idk

yeah actually true, bc we don’t know much about griffith’s feelings about anything that isn’t yk, important + deep stuff. when it comes to shallow thoughts on things he’s kind of a closed book. so yeah, I guess I can’t read Berserk and say he’d prefer a britney spears lipsynch to a lady gaga one lol, or someone who prioritizes surreal looks vs comedy.

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i mean he’s gay so like sure yeah in a modern au he’d most likely be watching drag race. can’t take this any further because it’s so removed from canon that it’s hard to come up with anything that isn’t just my own opinions
like which queens he’d like and which not … who tf knows

idk since it’s a reality show w/ strong personalities you could probably argue he’d eg identify with A and therefore love (or hate) her, or admire B’s drive and unceasing effort, or C’s ability to think outside the box, or whatever. Kinda wish I was more familiar with rpdr lol, it might be fun to think about.

i love griffith, guts and griffguts, but sometimes i feel super guilty about it bc of what griffith and guts have done to casca. i can’t even read fluffy stuff with them bc it just feels off mark given canon :/

I mean, that’s like… I was gonna say ‘fair’ but it’s not rly fair to you lol, you shouldn’t feel guilty about liking a good super interesting relationship just bc the mangaka thinks gratuitious rape and rape attempts are gr8 ways to illustrate evil. It makes sense to feel that way, but yk, it sucks.

So like I know it’s easy to say “idc bc it’s fiction” and that probably doesn’t help you because you already know it’s fiction. But I do think it’s good to bear in mind that the only person who has any say in what happens to Casca in the story is Miura, so you shouldn’t feel guilty for enjoying some elements of his story just because he likes to go full grimdark at other times.

Also like, while I personally am fine with just saying “it’s fiction so idgaf, I’ll take what I like and dismiss what I don’t,” it doesn’t work for everyone, but an extra like… point that might help you reconcile liking characters who do terrible things is that these two terrible things in particular are bad and genuinely offensive writing lol.

Like it’s probably easier to say “fuck the Eclipse rape idc” when you see it as hugely gratuitous, offensively depicted, contradictory in some ways to earlier canon***, wholly unnecessary, thematically muddy, and kind of disturbingly downplayed in the future for the sake of depicting NeoGriffith as a morally ambiguous hero of his own story (and Miura has straight up said that NGriff is supposed to be morally ambiguous and heroic depending on your pov lol).

Guts sexually assaulting Casca is also unnecessary (trying to murder her seems like it would be a sufficient illustration of darkness), super misogynist in that we’re still supposed to support Guts afterwards and sympathize with him and his guilt moreso than Casca, not to mention homophobic since it’s all about his (super suggestively described by the hound) feelings for Griffith.

So yk, these things may be canon but they suck and if dismissing them makes me enjoy the story more that seems like the best course of action.

And finally, if none of that helps at all, it’s worth taking into account that these are Griffith and Guts’ magical evil alter egos at work. Canonically Femto is the worst aspects of Griffith, magnified by literal evil, with the rest of him burned or shattered away. The last thing Griffith did as a character was sacrifice the Hawks. Everything else has just been a magically augmented part of him.

Guts’ Beast of Darkness similarly is part of Guts, not all of him, and it’s also given strength by Guts’ existence on the interstice, thanks to the Brand. That’s why Flora’s magic seal of protection on the brand helped like, metaphorically chain it up in Guts’ subconscious.

One of Berserk’s main thematic points is that everyone has an inner darkness in them, it’s part of being human, so it’s not that Guts and Griffith are singled out as extra evil.

As pure unmagical humans, Guts and Griffith are just interesting complicated people, neither saints nor demons, with an intense relationship, and imo there’s plenty of room for fluffy content between them pre-Eclipse, or in an AU. I mean canon has them bond during a naked waterfight lol, you know there are a ton of cute off-screen moments between them just waiting to be depicted in fanworks.

(With the caveat that Miura’s misogyny sometimes still shows through, eg Griffith’s night with Charlotte which is narratively treated as consensual even though she says “no” first (typical bodice ripper shit), or Guts sexually assaulting Casca by grabbing her boob to distract her during an argument which is treated as cute rather than fucked up. But yk, welcome to Berserk. Miura sucks.)

***eg in v brief one thing that bothers me is that in the Black Swordsman arc
it was strongly implied that Guts’ reaction to whatever made him so
angry at Griffith/Femto was paralyzing fear, whereas during the Eclipse
all we see is violent rage

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oh also griffith wants
guts to bridal style carry him when he’s real drunk and refuses to move
at all until guts picks him up he holds his arms outstretched
expectantly and everything 

lmao this is true and adorable