Yeah, I think it’s a rly interesting aspect. I don’t think I have enough knowledge of Christian theology to say anything smart on the topic beyond being like, hmm yes Griffith is the messiah in a very cynical take on religion. I coud see it being a very grim take on self sacrifice in that sense, ie sacrificing his humanity by sacrificing people he loves so much they’re like part of himself.
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With Zodd, it’s one of those times we see Griffith act outside of his character, and not just mildly risking his safety or convenience, but his actual life with a very poor chance of success. It’s monumentally stupid of him because even if Guts is a valuable soldier, he’s not worth Griffith’s life in regards to the needs of the Hawks. Griffith is not stupid, and the narrative shows this. But in this case he made an emotional decision rather than a logical one.
sorry this took so long, i was barely online yesterday
But absolutely, totally agree. this moment is so good because there’s no possible rational explanation for Griffith’s actions, and he doesn’t even try to give Guts one afterwards, for once.
you seem really awesome and i love ur blog! i might not be up to date, i just wanted to ask, was i like hallucinating or did u say you will write a big griffith meta? If yes, when will you write it? If this is true I am looking forward to it :D
Thank you so much!
Yep I totally said that and I’m still working on it (I finished part 3 of 4 last night). It’s slow going because I procrastinate for days/weeks between occasional evenings spent chipping away at it lol, and don’t get too excited because a lot of it is comprised of stuff I’ve talked about before just kind of tied together under an overarching theme of exploring the dream vs Griffith’s feelings for Guts (though there’s new stuff too so hopefully it won’t be a total boring slog for any of my followers who may actually want to read over 10k words about Griffith.)
Can we also talk about how monumentally stupid and reckless it was for Griffith to run in after Guts with Zodd. It was seen as reckless, sure, but it felt very downplayed how utterly dumb it was.
Absolutely, like he just sent a volly of arrows at Zodd that did absolutely nothing. And Griffith is very aware of how dangerous the situation is because he tells Casca to retreat with everyone else. Like, diving into that situation, trying to rescue an injured dude who has an enormous terrifying monster dead set on fighting him, I’m pretty sure he had to know his odds of survival were not high lol.
To whatever extent he was even considering his own survival when all his focus was on not letting Guts die.
Amazing answer and one I completely agree with. Casca also is seemingly under the impression that Guts does not return Griffith’s feelings. Which in all honesty is fair for her to assume since he’s with her. That also probably came into her decision to send Guts away. She doesn’t want Griffith to have to pine like she did for him. I got that impression from when she said, “If you’re really Griffith’s friend and equal you’ll leave,” aka you need to not be here if Griffith is going to move on.
Thank you!
And yeah I could see this perspective pretty easily. Casca knows Guts wants to be Griffith’s friend and equal, but she doesn’t know how much of that comes from a deep and desperate need to be loved. On the surface it seems a lot like one of those typically masculine ‘I can’t stand feeling like someone is superior to me’ things, and that’s probably how Casca sees it because she didn’t witness Guts’ reaction to being told Griffith risked his life for him for no reason, or his “if a certain someone just looked at me (ie: loved me) my pointless life would feel worthwhile” speech to Judeau and Corkus.
Also Casca could be speaking from recent experience there too from that angle, because she’s just learned how hard it is to move on when you see the person you have feelings for again, what with all the jealousy during the rescue etc. So it kind of ties together that way.
Different anon, another Casca question. During the eclipse, and a few times before that, it’s implied that Judeau had feelings for Casca. While this obvs isn’t a very dominating ship, I’m curious about your thoughts. Do you think those two exploring a closer relationship would have altered the outcome of the events leading up to the eclipse, and her dynamic with Guys and Griffith? Do you suppose anything post-eclipse would be different?
I think it would depend. like imo pretty much any tiny change would lead to no Eclipse, but if say Casca and Judeau hooked up during the year Guts was gone, I could see that leading to either
the best case scenario for Griffith of Casca and Judeau taking off together and leaving Griffith with Guts
or the worst case scenario of Guts leaving Griffith with Casca and Judeau and taking off.
tho tbh I can’t see the latter happening if Guts still had his revelation that he broke Griffith’s heart, and he would’ve still had that revelation if Casca still attacked him and screamed it at him, which probably still would’ve happened, so yeah I think it’s more likely than not that the outcome would’ve been a lot better generally if Judeau and Casca got together.
Also if they did get together and the Eclipse still happened, a lot would probably change because they both would’ve died, and Guts’ probably would’ve too without a prolonged rape scene to waste time while Skull Knight fought Zodd. But like, assuming the events of the Eclipse somehow didn’t change, I don’t think Guts’ feelings towards mentally regressed Casca would be very different if they’d stayed platonic friends rather than hooking up. Their sexual relationship is mostly downplayed after the Eclipse (except when it comes to Guts assaulting her and I sure wouldn’t miss that) with Guts mostly thinking of her as a reminder of his time with the Hawks, and I think he’d feel about the same amount of regret and responsibility when it comes to her.
How do you feel about Casca and her relationship with Griffith? Especially with her possibly trying to protect him from getting hurt again. I am interested to hear your thoughts. Do you think she has no concept of love? Or that she genuinely loved Guts?
Overall I actually really like Casca’s relationship with Griffith, and I think if a) Berserk was a very different story and b) Miura didn’t make Casca’s life revolve around romantic pining, I’d really love them as a v interesting platonic brotp style relationship with lots of layers and depth.
Casca has a v unique perspective and insight on Griffith, with her combination of hero worship and the way she’s seen him at his worst (pre-torture).



She’s aware that he hides himself behind a veneer of perfection, that he feels immense guilt, that he buries his emotions. She watched him self harm in front of her after prostituting himself to a pedophile. She’s more aware of his vulnerable humanity than even Guts is.
And knowing that he’s human, seeing some of his darker and sadder flaws first hand, only makes her admiration grow. I love that. I think it’s sad for Griffith because he doesn’t know this and knowing it would’ve probably really helped with his self loathing issues, and I think it’s a little… messed up, the way Casca sees Griffith’s ability to suppress his feelings and be perfect for everyone as a strength, but it’s really interesting as a dynamic.
When it comes to Griffith’s point of view, I think it’s kind of a shame that he remained so closed off to her. Casca and Guts have very similar feelings towards Griffith, but where Casca is largely shut out after he turns and puts his hand on her shoulder in the river, Guts is let in. So Casca and Griffith feel kind of like a missed connection. Not in a romantic way, but in a “if things had been slightly different between them, they could’ve been great mutual support for each other” kind of way.
If the river scene had gone a little differently, like say if Casca had assured Griffith she didn’t think he was dirty instead of asking why he was with Gennon, or if Griffith had allowed himself to accept her comforting hug, I think Casca could’ve been solid, affirming emotional support for Griffith. If she knew about the assassinations, say, she’d’ve been fine with them. She probably would’ve been a better assassin than Guts, too, lol.
lbr, Griffith desperately needed someone to see all of him and tell him he wasn’t a monster, and Casca would’ve been great at that. For Casca’s part, she wanted someone to prioritize her and trust her enough to accept her emotional support (as we see pretty clearly in the scene where she and Guts fuck.) And I think getting this platonically would’ve been just as good or better for her than getting it with a side of sex.
But at the end of the day it was Guts who Griffith turned to (and tbqh the fact that Casca’s jealousy is explicitly because she’s in love with Griffith absolutely means that Griffith trusting Guts, prioritizing Guts, and wanting Guts to see all of him, ie exactly what Casca wanted to be to Griffith, all boils down to attraction and Griffith choosing Guts over Casca as essentially his emotional support because he’s in love with Guts and not Casca. But I digress) and Casca’s relationship with Griffith never met its full potential.
But despite that, they still have a really cute, generally fairly positive relationship before everything goes down. Griffith sends a search party not just for Guts but also specifies her when they fall off the cliff. When they get back Casca’s falling over herself apologizing and Griffith just smiles and welcomes her back. At Guts’ prompting he mentions her dress to her just to say something nice and slightly make up for letting her think he was dead. When he first saves her she becomes devoted not just because he threw her a sword, but because he helped calm her down after she killed the dude, seemed to empathize with her (”he just nodded, deeply and slowly,”) and gave her a blanket. After the rescue there’s a moment where he sees her crying near Judeau from afar and clearly wishes he was still able to comfort her.
Idk honestly their relationship isn’t perfect, it has some sadness, some missed opportunities, some dark moments (I’m talking pre-Eclipse, I’m not touching Femto bc as far as I can tell the Eclipse rape had nothing to do with Casca or Griffith’s overall relationship with her and everything to do with Guts), but overall I think it’s a sweet, mostly positive friendship.
Ok lol sorry about that essay that doesn’t even address most of your ask.
As for Casca trying to protect Griffith from getting hurt, I think it makes perfect sense from a character perspective, though I’m a little cynical when it comes to my thoughts on what Miura may have intended. Like, eg, I think Casca’s violent diatribe against Guts near the waterfall was meant to be a mix of genuine anger over the way he broke Griffith, partially projecting her own feelings of abandonment, and partially her feelings of jealousy getting involved too – why couldn’t Guts have stayed for her, and why couldn’t she affect Griffith the way Guts could? We see both issues come up shortly after – jealousy right before she tries to kill herself, and raging at Guts for (she thinks) wanting to leave her behind again after they have sex.
So I guess now I’m thinking Casca’s feelings when she tells Guts to leave are probably a complicated mixture of like, everything.
I think what you described plays a large part. She knows how Griffith feels about Guts, and that seeing her and Guts together every day would be torturous for him. Also lbr, a few days with another dude aren’t enough to erase anyone’s like, near decade of feelings for the first dude, and we see them come up again during the rescue mission, when jealousy starts creeping between Guts and Casca, so she’s not exactly over her feelings for Griffith, which includes wanting to protect him.
I think there’s also an element of Casca being self-sacrificing, telling Guts to leave to pursue his dream because she thinks Guts’ dream is the most important thing to him, and she believes Guts staying would be a sacrifice on his part.
I think Casca is aware enough of the weird love triangle between the three of them that she knows if they both stayed with Griffith things would get weird and fucked up real quick for everyone, probably especially Griffith. She’s jealous of Guts and Griffith, Griffith loves Guts and would be jealous of the relationship between him and Casca, plus he’s the most vulnerable, and I think there’s a strong indication that Guts would be caught in the middle, but probably would end up prioritizing Griffith.
AND THEN there’s another aspect to Casca pushing Guts away that I think could, at least in theory, be the strongest motivating factor, at least when it comes to my interpretation of Casca and my love of flawed female characters who make terrible choices just like the men do, which is that she’s been given an opportunity to take Guts’ role.





Now Griffith needs her. Now she’s the one who can comfort him and Griffith finally accepts her comfort. And sex is also maybe on the table which, taking the narrative at face value, is something Casca also wants.
There is a “yet,” there, ofc. I think Casca’s feelings are mixed. She genuinely wanted to leave with Guts, she was probably glad of the chance to get over her one-sided feelings for Griffith, but at the same time, she still has those feelings.

So like, ultimately, once she’s faced with the reality that Griffith desperately needs someone who loves him and she can’t just take off with Guts, there are three options available: her and Guts both stay, only Guts stays, only Casca stays.
Both her and Guts staying would be an unmitigated disaster of jealousy issues, only Guts staying would fucking suck for Casca (right now from her pov, in the long run lbr it would by far be the best option bc Casca needs to find herself away from dudes), but only Casca staying would give her something she used to desperately want, and still does want on some level.
So she tells herself Guts would be unhappy without his dream and he shouldn’t stay for his own sake, and tries to send him off, but the actual driving emotional reason is that only one of them can stay with Griffith and she wants it to be her.
(For the record I think this would’ve been a huge mistake for Casca even if the Eclipse didn’t happen. Despite Griffith’s nightmare vision I can’t imagine her being happy living a quiet domestic life with him. But what’s the point of a Berserk character if they’re not making huge mistakes?)
lol man this is a lot longer than I thought it would be, and I think a lot of this is a stretch and probably not what Miura intended, but it’s the explanation I want to land on.
Oh and finally, just to briefly hit the last two things, I’d say Casca can’t tell the difference between love and a feeling of obligation she gets when someone saves her. Both her feelings for Griffith and Guts started after being saved by them, and both manifest in wanting to comfort them and be their emotional support and give them something in return for what they’ve given her.
“Not just being given to… maybe I can give something as well.”
So while maybe Miura wanted us to believe Casca loved Guts, or could’ve fallen in love with Guts (tho idk maybe this is purposeful, I talk a lot about how I think he deliberately went a relatively non-romantic route with Guts and Casca’s hook up), I don’t think she genuinely loved him, or Griffith for that matter, in a romantic sense.
@poppy-moon because you asked a while back re: meta about casca and griffith and now I’ve written something lol. and the first half is more the positive kind of thing you were suggesting.
She also had to be there for the aftermath of Guts leaving the first time. Like, she had to watch Griffith’s nervous breakdown and depression first hand over Guts. I think that’s why she was so full of rage when she tracked Guts down, because her feelings for Griffith were genuine. Maybe not romantic love like she thought or maybe so, but regardless of all of that Griffith was one of the most important and influential people in her life, and she watched Guts destroy him. And by being with Guts
It was like she was betraying Griffith. She constantly drew the
conclusion that Griffith loved Guts throughout the manga. And by staying
she would be taking care of him, and I suppose her hope of sending Guts
away would be that she and Griffith could grieve together and Griffith
wouldn’t have to feel abandoned by them both or have to watch them be
together when he had literally destroyed himself over Guts.
Yeah I really like this idea. I think it def makes more sense with Casca’s character and her knowledge of Griffith’s feelings, it’s a lot better than just abruptly shifting from prioritizing Griffith and his dream to prioritizing Guts’ dream, which has been my interpretation of why she told Guts to leave.
Also man I’d love to see a missing scene right after Guts leaves and we see Casca and the Hawks react to Griffith’s breakdown.
Do you think the Heaven exists in Berserk universe? I know behelit sacrifices go to Hell for sure, but iirc (and correct if I’m wrong) Vargas from the Black Swordsman arc wasn’t a sacrifice but still went to Hell when he died.
I definitely do. While liveblogging it a while ago I kind of landed on this theory of Berserk’s afterlife which I got into here.
Basically if I was going to guess I’d say that since ethereal bodies gravitate towards other ethereal bodies of the same nature, hell is other people applies here. Hell is hell because you’re stuck in a swirly whirlpool becoming one with a bunch of horrible people like yourself. And heaven would be heaven because you’re in a nice swirly whirlpool becoming one with a bunch of nice people.
I also think it’s likely that Guts, other sacrifices, and even apostles aren’t by default automatically going to hell, despite what’s implied in the Black Swordsman arc. Going to hell just because you “got caught up with demonkind” meaning you hung out with a demon or were killed by or sacrificed by a demon seems stupid to me, and doesn’t make sense with things Flora says later on about Ods and stuff (she also says caring for Casca might be his protection from hellfire iirc). It’s absolutely suggested when Puck is all concerned that Guts being branded means he’s going to go to Hell, and Guts himself is clearly worried about that inevitability, but imo it makes more sense for “got caught up with demonkind” to be “acted like a demon/succumbed to one’s dark side” lol. ie Guts on his revenge rampage, Vargas consumed by revenge himself, etc.
It would be kind of a twist, in a way? Guts thinks he’s inevitably going to hell because he’s been sacrificed, but it’s actually because due to the sacrifice he’s consumed by revenge and being an asshole.
(This could also be Miura evolving the idea as he goes. Guts being inevitably bound for hell works in the whole early super grimdark Black Swordsman setting, but if he wants something less than a crushingly depressing ending that’s not gonna fly now.)
Oh also I think Femto mentions the vibrations of the Count’s soul carrying him closer to hell, implying he could also vibrate away from hell, even despite being an apostle. I’m too lazy to find the page and check the wording though.
tl;dr yeah I think there’s a heaven and I think anyone could theoretically go there.
It is seriously compelling, and perhaps it is easier for some to stomach if Griffith was awful the whole time and not a person who was deeply hurt and traumatized and wanted to escape those feelings by any means necessary. People generally think love is a be all and end all, and that love is putting someone first above all else, and that’s partially true, but love also causes unspeakable pain. Griffith loving Guts doesn’t have to make him a good person. In the end he gave up.
Yeah, I pretty much agree with all of this!
Like stories about love uplifting people and making them nobler and better are all well and good, but a story about love utterly destroying someone to the point where they would rather become a monster than continue to experience it? sign me tf up.
And like! It’s not because the love itself is inherently bad, or the people involved are inherently bad, or wrong for each other, or w/e – in fact in other circumstances we’re shown that the love between Guts and Griffith is positive for both of them. Even after the torture, we’re teased with hope spots where it’s implied that having lost the dream and his voice and independence etc, just being with Guts would be enough for Griffith to live with some amount of happiness. Like, the smiles, Griffith symbolically letting go of his dream as he watches the castle disappear over the horizon, the way Guts choosing to stay was such a moment of significance because it was the right choice, it was just a moment too late.
(like ok realistically these two dudes are dramatic idiots in a very difficult situation and the future would not have been clear sailing even if there was no Eclipse, but the point of those moments is to show us that it’s possible, yk? like, when Griffith sees a horrific vision of his future, it’s not the absence of his dream that’s featured so heavily, it’s the absence of Guts.)
That’s what makes it so good – the potential between them is so strong and intense, but at the end of the day, after losing everything else, Griffith couldn’t take the pain of being in love with someone who he believes rejected him once and is about to do it again.
Sorry I totally just used your message as a jumping-off point to gush about this lol.
I have to say I love all of your meta. People seem to find it difficult to stomach that someone who genuinely did love Guts could hurt him in such a way. It’s so easy to just think Griffith was a monster the whole time, and not someone who was capable of love. I love that you acknowledge that while not excusing Femto.
Thank you very much!
tbh that’s like my favourite thing about Berserk and one thing I think Miura did so well – showing exactly how Griffith could choose to sacrifice someone he genuinely, truly loves above all else, and not just despite that love, but largely because of it. It’s endlessly interesting to me, and I kind of feel bad for Berserk fans who don’t see it because they’re missing out on a seriously compelling story.
to this anon in my inbox that i’m gonna block soon:
(fair warning i discuss the eclipse rape p irreverently under the cut)

idk how you can say i dance around what “griffith” did when i’ve addressed it many times, and indeed, on my about page which is linked right there on the sidebar.
i don’t dance around femto raping casca during the eclipse, i just don’t gaf because it’s fiction, no people were actually harmed, it was lazy exploitative writing, and griffith magically turned into a demon first. like… no amount of anonymous whining is gonna make me care when the mangaka himself barely even cares beyond it being a handy plot point to piss guts off and remove casca from the story while grotesquely sexualizing her, with maybe some weird bs about a fetus thrown in.
but i have a feeling that you consider not starting every post about griffith i write with ‘btw i don’t condone his actions, i think turning into a demon and raping someone is morally wrong’ to be dancing around it lol.
like, again, it’s fiction. it’s a made up story. the only thing that actually matters to me about that story is what does or doesn’t entertain me. casca’s rape was badly written and her subsequent trauma was even more badly written and both are offensive rather than entertaining but guess what, i hate miura for that because he wrote it and femto, in fact, isn’t real.
also gotta say anon, it’s p misogynistic that you framed femto’s rape of casca as part of how “griffith took everything away from guts.” i mean granted, that’s how miura framed it, but that’s why it’s good to look at fiction with a critical eye instead of accepting everything at face value.
I like that no matter how much Griffith haters HATE Griffith they just can’t say “I hate his guts”, cos you know? “his guts”, “guts” xD
lmao
I really love this blog! Definitely,your opinions have made me return to Berserk.I stopped reading Berserk years ago because I believed that my interpretations about the relationship between Guts and Griffith were erroneous despite all the evidences that are presented throughout history.Your metas have shown me that I am not the only one who thinks this way. Oh,finally, I recommend you listen ‘Lover, fighter’ by SVRCINA: Many Grriffguts feelings here! Thank you so much! (Excuse my english!)
Wow this is so lovely to hear! I’m so glad I helped get you back into Berserk! You’re definitely not the only one who sees and loves the relationship between Guts and Griffith, but it can definitely seem that way in this particular fandom lol. Honestly I pretty much started this blog because I couldn’t find any other current griffguts shippers or people who saw Berserk the way I do at all, and since then I’ve found a lot of like-minded people, it’s great 🙂
Also wow yeah I’m feeling the vibes in that song. Making me think of both Guts deciding to leave and Griffith’s pov in the 2nd duel. Ty!
I’m re-reading berserk and in the tower of conviction arc (chapter 173) when the tower goes tumbling down and griffith is about to be born, there’s a moment in all that chaos when guts simply looks up and shouts griffith’s name and oh man… the expression on his face is anything by hatred… there’s so much going on there…

ooh yeah this is a good image.
and like a chapter and a half of build up to this moment of griffith’s incarnation is about everyone in the world crying out with desire for griffith/a new world, the voices all resonating and affecting reality to climactically bring this about, and everyone being able to sense it. so like he can sense griffith, “the desired,” hatching and this is his reaction.
to quote puck

the beast always incites him on letting go and going berserk (lol) because he still wants to be griffith’s equal even in fucked up ways… i just don’t understand why the equality speech is still on his mind after everything. to wrap this up, why do you think he’s still hung up on being his equal after literal years and griffith not being the same? and why does he still see griffith affectionately in GA flashbacks instead of hating him? His feelings and behavior are contradictory
lol sorry anon this got kind of long and meandering, hopefully it answers your questions though.
I guess I think that Guts isn’t really fully self-aware about the fact that he’s still trying to be Griffith’s equal. It’s not like a real goal for him the way it was when he left the Hawks, it’s just that he can’t help but crave Griffith’s attention. He needs Griffith to see and acknowledge him as someone who matters to him.
It’s why Femto’s dismissal back in the Black Swordsman arc was what spurred him to finally stand and walk up to him despite like a million broken bones, it’s why he refused to heed much sounder advice like stay and take care of the Hawks that are left, and insisted on his attention-getting revenge campaign instead, and it’s why NeoGriffith ditching him makes him do this:

Because becoming Griffith’s “equal” was only a means to an end in the first place – what Guts really wanted was to be Griffith’s friend, or, put in Guts’ own terms:

He wants to be Griffith’s number one priority. At the most genuine point of their relationship, when Griffith admitted he had no rational reason for risking his life for Guts, Guts like basically found personal fulfillment. That scene on the rooftop where Guts contemplates it and decides that this means his home (at least for now bc Guts sucks at committment) is with the Hawks, is probably the happiest moment of Guts’ life.
And when Griffith became an evil demon this core desire of Guts’ didn’t go away, I guess, Guts just started expressing it through attention-getting monster killing and wanting to personally murder Femto, to force him to look at him and value him, if not as a loved one then as an enemy.
Also, to address that last bit, I think it’s very telling that Guts doesn’t hate Griffith. It wasn’t sacrificing all his friends that made Guts’ love turn to rage and hate, it was Femto spitefully raping Casca, which is something Guts knows his Griffith wouldn’t’ve done. While Femto was born out of the darkness of Griffith, something Guts probably at least has some understanding of, he’s not the same as Griffith. He tells that to Rickert too on the Hill of Swords “That’s not the Griffith you know anymore.”
And I think a huge part of the reason he doesn’t hate or blame Griffith for making the sacrifice is because he blames himself for breaking Griffith’s heart and ruining his life.

Like Guts’ narrative from coming back after a year to this moment revolves around his slow realization that leaving was a huge fucking mistake lol. And he finally figured it out right before the Eclipse, so when he thinks of Griffith afterwards he’s associated with guilt and sadness and regret and love, rather than bitterness or hate or resentment.
Like I guess Guts’ feelings are kind of contradictory but in a way that makes sense to me. The situation is complicated af and while Guts is consumed by hate, that doesn’t conveniently erase his love. Separating Femto from Griffith is probably part of how he reconciles that, which is also why when NeoGriffith shows up looking like the old Griffith it was particularly confusing and painful for Guts to handle, and why he “forgot” he wanted to kill him lol.
And both Guts’ hate and his love lead to wanting Femto/Griffith’s attention, it just changes how he goes about trying to accomplish that.
this last part of Guts’ trip in the land of the elves reminds me a bit of when the Halcon band came back triumphant and had their moment of glory, everything seems so perfect but I feel that something will go very wrong, but I do not know what it is it’s just a precept I have What do you think about it?
ia i think something’s going to go south once casca gets her mind back, miura’s been throwing “your wishes may not be her wishes” at us over and over for a reason after all.
tbh before the most recent chapter i would’ve guessed casca being forced to confront her trauma = despair = behelit
now i’m high key worried that it’s going to be something more along the lines of manufactured drama featuring casca cockblocking guts’ revenge quest because neogriffith grew out of the stupid fetus
i mean it could still be the first thing, or something else entirely, i’m not super pessimistic. on the boat guts did refer to casca falling to pieces because she couldn’t cope with what happened, so what will happen if she does get her sanity back, which does give me hope that miura isn’t just going to sweep her trauma under the rug so he can focus on weird fetus drama. we’ll see i guess.
it’s not just the panel you uploaded, then griffith says he’ll get his kindom and proceeds to leave and he keeps touching his heart and there are bthumps everywhere and guts is left. it’s damn bittersweet. as for the demon child personally i think that miura won’t go there i think what he’s tryna do is show that casca won’t want revenge like guts because griffith is using the baby’s vessel. or some weird shit like that. personally im glad who she wanted to see wasn’t a man evenif i hate babies
yeah the whole scene is fantastic, i love it.
tbh that’s a good point, given the choice between the fetus being who she wants to see vs guts or griffith, yeah i’ll take the fetus too. actually not gonna lie I completely forgot about “i want to see that person” or w/e the line was.
i was also kinda thinking that it’s going to mean casca isn’t going to want revenge and will cockblock guts’ revenge quest because ngriff absorbed the fetus. “your wishes may not be her wishes,” if guts’ wish is revenge. i’d find that immensely disappointing though because i want casca to go out and get herself some revenge really bad
plus as a conflict it’s like… bad. guts is already conflicted about revenge, adding another reason for him not to go out and get it is completely unnecessary
but hey who knows, nothing’s set in stone and i could still be pleasantly surprised.
whatever happens, we always have that second of hesitation that allowed guts and co to escape i guess. i cant guess what else having the fetus there could mean will happen :(
yeah v true. and considering our most recent foray into neogriffith’s storyline involved him teasingly having potential feelings related to rickert/his old life/his identity, none of which the fetus should gaf about, i still feel fairly safe assuming that we’re not going to venture down the darkest timeline where neogriffith actually is totally emotionless after all and it’s just that a magical fetus sometimes takes the wheel.
on the other hand seeing the fetus there does not exactly fill me with hope for casca’s storyline. god knows i fucking hate precious fictional children, i hate maternal/paternal feelings, so personally i’m probably going to be highly annoyed unless miura does something spectacularly unexpected like the theory i just posted of having casca sacrifice it lol.
(and i am also filled with fear that certain horrifying theories will prove to be true, ie casca leaves and joins neogriffith because of the fetus connection or something. i’d like to believe miura won’t go there, but is there anything he won’t do to ruin casca’s story? puts ‘your wishes may not be her wishes’ in a very chilling light.)
I mean, no pressure to answer this but what would be your predicted possible Worst Case ending(/griffguts emotional conclusion) and your Best Case one that you could actually see happening in canon either way?
WORST CASE ENDING
all plot, no substance. any heart bthumpy emotions NeoGriff is feeling are actually the fetus’ feelings. it’s his weakness™ and if Guts and Casca defeat NeoGriff they’ll be able to magically separate it out and fuse it with its soul, the Moonlight Boy, achieving a Happily Ever After™ as a Picturesque Family™
Or possibly if they defeat NeoGriffith they free their child’s soul to go to swirly soul heaven, and the ending is bittersweet™
Miura retcons Femto letting Guts go, and all the hints that NeoGriffith feels things that are entirely unrelated to whatever tf the fetus might care about are red herrings/misdirection.
In a flash forward we find out that Rickert and Erika are happily married in a terrible Guts/Casca parallel.
ummm what else… NeoGriff is defeated through a power-up/Elfland magic after a volume long physical battle.
Guts bones Casca and thus conquers his obsession with Griffith and is finally able to move on™ but NeoGriff attacks Elfhelm, forcing the final battle.
possibly the other godhand are there too, what with fusing the physical and spiritual worlds and miura hinting that void’s gonna be important yadda yadda yadda. it turns into Good Spirit Elemental Guardians against Evil Godhand in the most boring fight ever while Guts and NeoGriff fight.
Oooh Casca experiences some strong negative emotions upon regaining her sanity, but the Moonlight Boy appears to her and her maternal feelings™ soothe her.
Guts kills NGriff, rides off into the sunset with casca.
oh also there’s undertones of falconia being a naive fantasy while guts’ ‘just struggle your way through everything instead of finding/creating a safe happy paradise’ philosophy is touted as more mature and better
ok that’s enough dwelling on the negative
BEST CASE ENDING
the fetus is affecting Griffith only insomuch as being fused with its physical flesh makes his heart start beating because he’s corporeal and thus subject to those worldy emotions he’d thought he’d left behind.
The shot of it at the end of this chapter shows that Casca is kind of obsessed with it, and therefore when she wakes up with all her sanity and memories she demonstrates that her wishes were not Guts’ wishes and falls into despair and sacrifices that little fucker. I mean, half the apostle sacrifices we’ve seen have been parent/child, it’s possible right?
this destroys Moonlight Boy, aka the essence of the fetus, and whatever hope the audience had for a happily ever after family with Guts Casca and child. it’s meant to be seen as a tragic low point. I cackle gleefully.
I wouldn’t actually enjoy this but i think it would make sense: along with that low point Miura hints that NeoGriff’s feelings are gone thanks to Casca’s sacrifice – oh no, his one weakness! now he’s unstoppable! etc – but psych later on it turns out the feelings were his own all along.
casca, now an apostle, leaves to get revenge on neogriff. guts goes after her to either help or stop her, he’s not sure which. also if casca steals guts’ armour, i will die of happiness, but that + being an apostle might be overkill.
we get casca’s point of view, and it’s quite similar to black swordsman guts and full of parallels. guts has now achieved some character development which is why he’s torn between helping casca get revenge vs trying to just save her because she’s no match for neogriff (vs deep down wanting to save neogriff and/or stick his own sword in him because his feelings are still all fucked up. undertones of guts and casca’s old griffith-related romantic rivalry but dark)
thematically, Elfhelm is soured – the whole magical therapy for Casca thing turned out to be a terrible idea, the people there are unwilling to help clean up their mess because they’re isolationist dicks, AND maybe there are hints that the four spirit guardians schierke calls on for protection are other forms of the godhand?
however it happens, ultimately the thematic takeaway is that rather than there being a good vs evil thing going on in the spirit world, good and evil are two sides of the same coin and what you perceive really depends on what you’re calling on the spirit world for, and most things are both at once. yk, aren’t gods and devils the same thing?
i’m skipping over plot stuff and more theme stuff because i’m willing to accept a lot of possibilities and i really don’t care much.
the important thing is that guts and griffith have a final emotional confrontation after the dust of the big action climax settles, and it comes in the form of a 3rd duel.
also at some point in the lead-up to it, they figure their shit out. possibly this involves schierke’s or sonia’s or both’s magical mind exploration magic. we see griffith’s unemotional facade starting to crack. we see guts’ ambivalence towards griffith – does he want to kill him or plead with him or fuck him or reject him entirely?
and guts realizes that griffith’s heart is beating again for him, and everything he wanted – griffith’s respect admiration and love is still there, residing in his worst enemy. and griffith realizes that guts admired and loved him and never once saw human him as the monster he saw himself and allowed himself to become.
tragically idk how you could depict both without looking really silly, but either guts’ residual guilt for his part in the lead up to the eclipse gets the better of him and he lets a still-repressed griffith kill him, the way he always lets himself get stabbed when he feels bad about something, OR neogriffith’s irrational love gets the better of him and he lets guts kill him – guts ends up sticking him in the throat in a mirror of how he killed gambino.
either way there’s a lot of crying and cradling a corpse.
tbh i’m leaning towards griffith killing guts for that devilman ending, and this way casca gets to play the role of angry god by swooping in and killing him. if that’s the case griffith lets her because his irrational emotions have finally truly burst free and taken hold over him after he kills guts. his crying is a call-back to his ‘last tear shed.’
(maybe casca becomes zodd 2.0, living for battle and becoming a sword just for herself. kind of a darkly fucked-up “happy” ending for her lol.)
BEST CASE ENDING WITH NO FUCKS GIVEN FOR PLAUSIBILITY
all of the above but after finally understanding each other they make out instead of dueling and then casca kills neogriff and an adult theresia kills guts, and they both ride off into the sunset with their respective girlfriends, farnese and jill.
it’s taken me forever to get through the golden age arc despite really enjoying it, and now i’m looking at the over 300 chapters that lie ahead and it feels very daunting. i don’t want to lose interest in the series, but i feel like i don’t have the attention span for that much content, especially with many staunch fans saying some of it really drags. do you recommend any chapters/arcs after the golden age in particular?
HMMM it’s hard for me to recommend skipping around since I personally am a stickler for chronologically going through everything lol, and no matter what you’ll probably feel like you’re missing some stuff since there are always flashbacks, plot points leading to more plot points, character development, etc. But if you can live with that here’s what I’d recommend.
The Lost Children arc comes next and I’d recommend it. It’s fairly well paced, starts getting into Guts’ darkness interestingly, and there’s some good potential for griffguts parallels with Jill and Rosine. But I think you can skip it without missing too much plot relevant stuff, and it’s fairly disturbing with csa triggers too, if that affects whether you’d like to check it out or not.
If you skip it I’d recommend reading chapter 118 (The Beast of Darkness). It comes right after Guts fights Rosine and right before Guts gets caught by Farnese and her knights who’ve been tracking him due to prophecy shit blah blah blah.
The rest of the Conviction arc can get draggy and tonally it’s kind of weird and campy lol. I think you could probably get away with skipping it, all you really need to know is that the world sucks, nobles are dicks using religious persecution to terrify the masses, and Farnese starts out as an apparent sadist using religion as an excuse to burn people alive while Serpico is her doormat. Guts escapes Farnese fairly quickly and shakes her faith a little. You get their backstories and more depth for them later so I don’t think it’s super important to see their introduction. Oh also Guts meets Isidro who helps him rescue Casca.
In this arc I’d still recommend reading chapters 126 (Revelations Part 1) – 130 (A Feeble Flame) because that gets into NeoGriff foreshadowing and thematic stuff and Guts’ internal conflicts when he returns to Godo’s cave to discover Casca missing.
You can probably skip a bunch of chapters here. You might want to check out 142 (Spirit Road, Part 2) because while it’s mostly foreshadowing for plot stuff you’ll be skipping, there’s some good shit w/ Guts’ feelings on Femto.
I’d pick the story back up after the big fight and Casca rescue etc, and read 174 (Daybreak) onwards, since this has Guts and NeoGriffith’s turbulent reunion.
I’d actually probably recommend reading the entire Millenium Falcon/Hawk of the Millenium Empire arc, because while Guts’ side can get draggy with like a troll sidequest and long fights etc, Griffith’s is more interesting imo, and a lot of plot stuff happens in both. Plus Guts has a lot of character development and internal conflict, there are lots of new characters introduced and you get Farnese and Serpico’s full stories, and despite some overlong fight scenes on Guts’ side there are quite a few engaging hooks, and the art is pretty gorgeous.
If you DO get bored during the troll fight stuff, which is overlong and annoying, you can probably skip it while only missing some stuff about how magic works, which gets repeated later on I think. I’d recommend skipping it starting on chapter 207 (Magic Sword) and picking it back up on chapter 219 (Vicinity of the Netherworld).
So assuming you read the rest of the Millenium arc, the next things you’d want to skip are the fucking boat fights in the Fantasia arc. Read NeoGriffith’s storyline, skip Guts’, is my recommendation. Well specifically my rec is to read up to the end of 307 (Falconia), then skip to chapter 329 (Flowers of Distant Days), which is a little Guts flashback interlude, and read the rest from there. You literally don’t miss anything you haven’t already seen during the Millenium arc, except Farnese doing some helpful magic.
I think that’s about it. lmk if you have any questions or want a better summary of the Conviction arc lol. And if you really don’t want to read the whole 130 chapters of Millenium Empire I’d be happy to write a summary of that too while pointing out the really relevant chapters for you to read, but let me know in advance because that would probably take a while lol.
#also imo it drags out a little less when you’re reading it all at once #still drags out but the fandom is mostly frustrated bc the manga is constantly on hiatus #and when we do get a new chapter it’s guts hacking up some monster AGAIN #i’m tired #i recommend reading those official summaries in the manga when you skip stuff #so you can follow the story better
good additional advice for anon, just in case you don’t follow cgg or don’t check every reblog
you had made a post about how griffith deflects the question ‘why are you saving me’ and he said once ‘don’t speak you’ll bite your tongue’ and i was reading the eclipse recently and judeau said the same thing to casca lol. i don’t like his character much but still we saw what his real feelings were for saving her and deflecting the question. it’s a good mirror imo




dude rescues the person he’s low-key in love with by scooping them up onto a horse and then tells them to stfu
idk whether it’s a purposeful parallel (tbf those 2 panels w/ judeau and casca are pretty far apart) but it’s still cute and the circumstances are pretty similar after all.
it’s taken me forever to get through the golden age arc despite really enjoying it, and now i’m looking at the over 300 chapters that lie ahead and it feels very daunting. i don’t want to lose interest in the series, but i feel like i don’t have the attention span for that much content, especially with many staunch fans saying some of it really drags. do you recommend any chapters/arcs after the golden age in particular?
HMMM it’s hard for me to recommend skipping around since I personally am a stickler for chronologically going through everything lol, and no matter what you’ll probably feel like you’re missing some stuff since there are always flashbacks, plot points leading to more plot points, character development, etc. But if you can live with that here’s what I’d recommend.
The Lost Children arc comes next and I’d recommend it. It’s fairly well paced, starts getting into Guts’ darkness interestingly, and there’s some good potential for griffguts parallels with Jill and Rosine. But I think you can skip it without missing too much plot relevant stuff, and it’s fairly disturbing with csa triggers too, if that affects whether you’d like to check it out or not.
If you skip it I’d recommend reading chapter 118 (The Beast of Darkness). It comes right after Guts fights Rosine and right before Guts gets caught by Farnese and her knights who’ve been tracking him due to prophecy shit blah blah blah.
The rest of the Conviction arc can get draggy and tonally it’s kind of weird and campy lol. I think you could probably get away with skipping it, all you really need to know is that the world sucks, nobles are dicks using religious persecution to terrify the masses, and Farnese starts out as an apparent sadist using religion as an excuse to burn people alive while Serpico is her doormat. Guts escapes Farnese fairly quickly and shakes her faith a little. You get their backstories and more depth for them later so I don’t think it’s super important to see their introduction. Oh also Guts meets Isidro who helps him rescue Casca.
In this arc I’d still recommend reading chapters 126 (Revelations Part 1) – 130 (A Feeble Flame) because that gets into NeoGriff foreshadowing and thematic stuff and Guts’ internal conflicts when he returns to Godo’s cave to discover Casca missing.
You can probably skip a bunch of chapters here. You might want to check out 142 (Spirit Road, Part 2) because while it’s mostly foreshadowing for plot stuff you’ll be skipping, there’s some good shit w/ Guts’ feelings on Femto.
I’d pick the story back up after the big fight and Casca rescue etc, and read 174 (Daybreak) onwards, since this has Guts and NeoGriffith’s turbulent reunion.
I’d actually probably recommend reading the entire Millenium Falcon/Hawk of the Millenium Empire arc, because while Guts’ side can get draggy with like a troll sidequest and long fights etc, Griffith’s is more interesting imo, and a lot of plot stuff happens in both. Plus Guts has a lot of character development and internal conflict, there are lots of new characters introduced and you get Farnese and Serpico’s full stories, and despite some overlong fight scenes on Guts’ side there are quite a few engaging hooks, and the art is pretty gorgeous.
If you DO get bored during the troll fight stuff, which is overlong and annoying, you can probably skip it while only missing some stuff about how magic works, which gets repeated later on I think. I’d recommend skipping it starting on chapter 207 (Magic Sword) and picking it back up on chapter 219 (Vicinity of the Netherworld).
So assuming you read the rest of the Millenium arc, the next things you’d want to skip are the fucking boat fights in the Fantasia arc. Read NeoGriffith’s storyline, skip Guts’, is my recommendation. Well specifically my rec is to read up to the end of 307 (Falconia), then skip to chapter 329 (Flowers of Distant Days), which is a little Guts flashback interlude, and read the rest from there. You literally don’t miss anything you haven’t already seen during the Millenium arc, except Farnese doing some helpful magic.
I think that’s about it. lmk if you have any questions or want a better summary of the Conviction arc lol. And if you really don’t want to read the whole 130 chapters of Millenium Empire I’d be happy to write a summary of that too while pointing out the really relevant chapters for you to read, but let me know in advance because that would probably take a while lol.
Well my review of Farnese and Casca is almost ready in 1 week and I’ll finish it, but you know, since I had to read the manga back and I was just also seeing Utena as I mentioned, I realize that Griffith is so gay, Although in the series Utena is very subtle with its lesbian subtext, in Berserk it is totally aggressive, you know there is much more to compare from that series but from Griffith with Guts than there is with Casca and Farnese that made me laugh that I said ” fuck this is so gay”
Awesome, looking forward to checking it out 🙂
And lol yeah, I remember when I re-read Berserk after 8 years of forgetting it existed I was so surprised over and over again by how blatant the subtext was and how consistently like straightforward dialogue beats you over the head with their feelings for each other, and how thoroughly the whole plot revolves around Guts and Griffith’s relationship lol.
You know something I’ve always found very curious, in Guts and Casca’s relationship I never saw Casca being sexually attracted to Guts, I saw an emotional attachment, feeling “needed” by someone and sometimes being protected … but that sexual attraction I did not see her, what do you think of that? if there is a panel where you see that I would like to see it, since even Farnese I have seen physically attracted to Guts on some occasions but Casca does not
I don’t think I could find a panel where she seems attracted to Guts, partially because I agree with you and partially because my memory of the het interactions in Berserk is not the greatest lol.
But yeah I think part of the reason I find her relationship with Guts so unconvincing, and part of why I find it really easy to hc her as gay, is because her relationships to men are based around wanting to be needed, rather than her own desire.
With Griffith she wants to be something indispensible to his dream, a “sword” he can’t do without. Later on we get Judeau saying, “If she loves him… shouldn’t she want to be held by him?” And Casca saying, “Griffith’s not a god… and I am a woman.” And it’s like, if you’re going to describe a woman’s attraction to a man in terms of falling into the natural hetero order of things, it makes it easier to see it as internalized homophobia and compulsory heterosexuality lol. Casca like, hmmm my feelings for Griffith are extremely strong, he’s a man I’m a woman, this must be attraction? Without realizing there are other possibilities.
I’m sure Miura didn’t mean it that way, but that’s why it’s a headcanon.
And anyway it’s the same with Guts – it’s all about Casca’s desire to be needed, to be able to comfort someone and feel necessary to them. And I think partly it’s an obligation to her, pay back for being rescued, by Griffith, by Guts in the 100 man fight. She notices Guts’ scars from that fight before they have sex and says she wishes for a wound from Guts. And it’s what she thinks about while they have sex: “not just being given to… maybe I can give something as well.”
I think that’s purposeful on Miura’s part. That’s a consistent part of Casca’s characterization that seems to stem from her childhood trauma and being rescued by Griffith, and it’s what informs her two major relationships. She only started warming up to Guts after he rescued her. Miura wants us to see it as attraction, but he didn’t really show us any actual desire from Casca, it’s something the characters, and the audience, take as read just based on the fact that she’s a woman and they’re men lol, and since I don’t agree that woman + man = automatic sexual attraction it’s pretty easy to take another route imo.
regarding your previous anon i’d say that it’s pretty obvious that griffith is intentionally and overtly in love with guts. the relationship is loosely based on devilman and if u read one summer day(a side chapter) you’ll realize that ryo seething in jealousy watching miki & akira silently is exactly the same as post-torture griffith. miura’s numerous influences had gay content too. i don’t think he’d ever admit it in public but it’s pretty obvious that the narrative fully supports that reading
yeah, like idk if miura ever cited devilman directly as an influence but i know he cited go nagai and let’s be real, guts/griffith is extremely akira/ryo
and yeah even if he never admits it the narrative absolutely supports it and imo completely encourages it as a reading. to the point where i think it’s the most straightforward reading of their relationship – like to argue there’s no attraction between them you have to ignore or explain away a lot of suggestive moments.
(ngl tho speaking of one summer day i feel kind of ripped off not getting griffith’s jealous face haunting guts and casca

I read a random comment where sb said that Miura was asked once about griffguts and he replied that he just wrote two MCs passionate w each other and he didn’t intend That. And I don’t know if this is true or extremely paraphrased, or even if he lied? But now I’m??? I would bet my life that Griffith was canonically gay for Guts. Even het guys I know are certain of this. The Charlotte sex scene, his monologues, their 1st encounter. It;s 100% impossible Miura didn’t intend him being gay, right?
Yeah I think I’ve read that interview, or one like it lol.
honestly… yeah lol. everything else aside, we know the subtext is purposeful because the characters talk about it in one of their first interactions. even without that scene, the idea that it’s totally accidental seems completely impossible to me, no one is that clueless about their own writing.
I guess the question is whether the subtext is only there to add more depth, chemistry and ~passion~ or w/e to their totally platonic relationship, or whether it’s something readers can and should incorporate into their interpretations of the characters. and if miura only intended the former, whatever (tho i have my doubts), but he can’t stop me from doing the latter. like if your method of making it clear that the characters have a strong relationship is heaping on the gay subtext, you can’t be surprised when people take that and run with it.
Yo I’m re-reading the entire manga to build up the hype now that the hiatus has ended and I’m on the GA arc bearing in mind numerous metas of yours. I wanted to ask, wrt your Guts attraction metas, how do you interpret Guts trying to push Casca and Griffith together? Re-reading this personally I see Guts subconsciously sympathizing with Casca’s feelings towards Griff. She says he finds him increasingly distant and that’s accompanied with a panel of Guts looking at him from the distance. (1)
So I think that he is trying to push those two together because he is
projecting his feelings on Casca. He wants to get them together because
he can’t insert himself in that situation. Casca is possibly a stand-in
for himself without him realizing it. That’s why he wouldn’t feel
jealous too imo. What do you think and what’s your take?
My probably-gayer-than-Miura-intended take is basically the same as yours, with the addition of Guts thinking that Casca is worthier of Griffith than he is.
From his silent and sullen reaction shots to Casca talking about him in the cave that definitely strike me as identifying with Casca’s feelings

to Casca directly telling him she’s jealous of him



to Guts feeling like all he’s good for is swinging his sword while insisting Casca has to live for something more important



to


this all seems like set-up for Guts throwing Casca at Griffith. He starts doing it after he decides to leave like he’s setting Casca up to take the place she wants, his place, at Griffith’s side, but Casca gets the addition of romance that Guts can’t begin to envision for himself thanks to repression and heteronormativity.
Also, good point about the bit where they’re both looking at him from a distance and Guts decides to take Casca down to bridge that gap for her, while he plans to leave. ia that seems like another moment of identification.
Idk basically yeah I totally agree, I think Guts is hardcore projecting, and the fact that the way he sets Casca up to take his place as Griffith’s confidante and “sword” involves shoving her into his arms, telling her to ask him to dance, telling Griffith she’s quite a sight in her dress, etc, is pretty telling.
Idk if it’s purposeful on Miura’s part, but it’s a really solid reading imo.