As I was trying to educate somebody over on reddit about the very gay influences of Berserk, I realized since Lady Oscar was an inspiration for Griffith and Serpico is modeled after Andre, the intended endgame is clearly GriffithxSerpico. How could we all be so blind! And you can be damn sure that Serpico would have not done something so foolish as to embark on a quest to become Griffiths equal, he would have stayed right at his side, murdering his way through Midlands court.

lmao now there’s a ship that i never would’ve thought of, and yet almost makes sense. serpico and farnese kind of had some griffguts parallels going on, serpico just has 100x more chill than guts does.

he would’ve made a gr8 assassin too lol.

hey thanks for the reply , I just realized I was so caught up in there being a parallel to the second duel I forgot how griffith dislocated his arm in their first :0

Oh damn I didn’t think of that either! god, Femto like, say, straight up ripping Guts’ arm off would be so good with that comparison to the first duel, I love this.

Like tell me reminding Guts of how they met and how Guts first joined him while genuinely intending to torturously destroy him wouldn’t completely fuck Guts up.

and like the idea of Femto playing with Guts like a cat w/ a mouse right up til Skull Knight saves him? Done the right way that could be v effectively horrific imo.

you know what also would’ve been a better ending to the eclipse guts and griffith having a third duel in order for casca and guts to get a chance to live with femto being to the one to personally sever his arm as a way of giving him a permanent scar in the vein of the one griffith had one his shoulder from their second duel

ugh sorry for being such a nerd lol but that scar is an anime only thing, in the manga it’s two parallel scratch marks

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which makes more sense imo bc like, there’s no way he’d have a scar from a wound he got earlier that day, and it seems like Guts’ sword doesn’t quite touch him. so I basically think the anime production just interpreted the image wrong.

BUT me being an annoying pedant aside lol I think the idea of Femto personally wounding Guts is interesting and def more compelling, and it kinda makes me wish Griffith did get wounded in one of their duels because the concept of them both having scars from the other is gr8.

And tbh while I actually kind of like the silent menacing vibe we got in the Eclipse, rape aside obviously (so like… the 3 pages of Femto looking cool and badass I guess lmao), I also loved the smug asshole vibe we got in the Black Swordsman arc, and I could easily see Black Swordsman Femto dickishly goading/forcing Guts into a hopeless fight. Would’ve also had that echo of Gambino trying to kill him, and I love parallels like that.

I still hope to see a third duel at some point but having one during the Eclipse would’ve been waaaaay better than what we got, it’s a cool concept. ty!

do you have any… griffguts pillow talk ideas… i think griff likes listening to guts talk(i keep sending you questions im sowwee but your scholarly opinions matter)

lol now this… i have absolutely nothing. what do people talk about? what do people in weird fantasy medieval times talk about? what do griffith and guts talk about when it’s not plot related? ??? ????????????

idk like, i could see them pretentiously philosphizing together but probably not right after sex. talking about their day? griffith maybe would, idt guts would. idt guts is that small-talk-y. he can go on for sure, but it’s mainly self-reflection and philosophical stuff. (then again he has done that after sex in canon, so)

but like ignoring the question of conversation topics, i def think griffith would like listening to guts talk, and vice versa. i could see griffith asking guts questions to try to get him to talk about something he’s interested in. and guts would be happy to listen to griffith talking about… idk whatever. serious topics, self-reflective ones, or what kind of tea he had that day with which asshole nobleman he had to humour, or whatever.

do you have any ideas about what they’d casually chat about?

do you have… any griffith topping for the first time/in general thoughts asia?

it would definitely be a big relationship milestone.

guts would be the one to ask for it. griffith… hm idk whether he’d be outwardly reluctant, but i think he would definitely be trepidatious, like, i think he’d be irrationally terrified of triggering guts, especially while topping him, even if guts reassures him that even if he freaks out it’s be nbd in the grand scheme of things and they can just try again another time.

i’m assuming that like canon guts has already been triggered during sex at least once and therefore they know it’s a possibility.

so griffith would be super slow and careful and pull out all the stops to make it as good as possible, setting the mood, making out/foreplay beforehand, mb rimming, blowing him while slowly fingering him, etc.

and I think Guts would love that btw, he might roll his eyes and tell Griffith to hurry up but he would be so into being slowly and thoroughly made love to. all griffith’s focus and energy being directed at him. he wouldn’t be v responsive though lol, i could see griffith asking for reassurance 50 times and guts like, ‘yes it’s great, you’re amazing, get on with it’ because I just don’t see guts as all that vocal in bed.

also i like to think that it goes perfectly fine, at least the first time. i don’t think one flashback and pouring his heart out once would actually fix guts’ childhood trauma lol, i’m sure he’ll be triggered more than once in his life, but ptsd flashbacks aren’t exactly super predictable afaik and i mean it would just be nice if guts enjoyed his first time bottoming.

and then afterwards griffith would just be super blown away by guts trusting him enough to ask him to fuck him, and tbh i think it would be a bigger deal to griffith than guts, like it wouldn’t be meaningless or anything to guts, but i think he’d downplay it a bit.

a few years down the line they start occasionally playing rock paper scissors to decide who has to top lol. though overall i think guts would still top more often, less because of trauma and more because i just hc him w/ more verse tendencies than griffith.

ETA and I just noticed you also asked in general not just first time, so I also want to add that I think Griffith wouldn’t be super into topping. He’d be into Guts wanting him, but along w/ my sub Griffith hcs I think that he’d prefer to lay back and experience rather than create the experience for Guts, yk? he’d find topping stressful. otoh I think he would absolutely do it if Guts wanted it and he wouldn’t really think of it like that to himself, he wouldn’t think of topping as something that stresses him out and makes him overthink lol, he’d just put too much effort into it and wouldn’t really be able to relax and enjoy the experience.

Like I can see where top and/or powerbottom Griffith comes from, and I could def see Griffith taking charge during sex (particularly power bottoming, esp when they first get together. Griff on top, riding Guts, controlling the pace and initiating things, etc), I think he’d be p good at it too, but I don’t think he’d prefer it, basically.

hbu, what are your Thoughts?

i’m capping this bc i’m p sure if g*tsca is uncensored, even in asks, this post will show up when ppl search the tag bc tumblr is fucking terrible lol

lol i wish, i don’t ever expect anything canon from griffguts but it’d sure be nice esp knowing how many of miura’s stated influences are super gay. i mean he could at the very least canonically confirm that the golden age was 100% mutually requited pining gone wrong, we all know it’s true lol. either way tho i want casca to get her own arc so bad.

also imagine farnesca vibes w/ apostle casca. i know i always cite jill and rosine as a griffguts parallel but i’m js, it’d work with them too.

shipping g*tsca is one thing but glorifying their relationship is so ?? I love guts and I’m aware that he saved her countless times but he still assaulted her, called her a bitch etc but most people don’t even care bc that’s just how berserk is and casca‘s his waifu uwuwu + their relationship always seemed kind of forced to me (thanks judeau)

yeah like, as far as ships go, it’s dark, very far from traditionally romantic, textually abusive af – both purposefully post-eclipse and probably accidentally on miura’s part pre-eclipse what with guts grabbing her tit in the middle of an argument and things like that – and reflects a whole lot of the author’s misogyny.

i personally have no problem w/ ppl who enjoy g*tsca anyway in theory, idgaf if people ship dark fucked up ships and i ship a million of them myself, but man i wish so many berserk fans didn’t pretend it’s something it very much isn’t for the sake of getting pissy at those who don’t care for the ship lol.

and i’m not one of those fans who are like, “you have to acknowledge how ~problematic~ something is every time you mention it” (obviously lol), like i also dgaf about g*tsca fans romanticizing it generally, but like in the context of pitting one ship against another on moral grounds, or genuinely wishing for guts and casca to live happily ever after together in canon, or accusing people who don’t ship it of hating casca or not wanting casca to be happy lol, i feel like it’s a pretty glaring omission to sweep, eg, the fact that casca is afraid of him because he sexually assaulted her under the rug.

idk basically my stance is ship what u want but don’t act like it makes you morally superior, and the fact that so many people do get on weird judgemental high horses over g*tsca of all ships blows my mind lol.

(1/2)Was thinking in a canon au if Griff and Guts actually did confess to each other or accidentally find out about each other’s feelings(which is more likely) they would end up becoming sooo awkward around each other, they wouldn’t really know what to do or act around each other for A while. And everyone in the band of hawks are gonna wonder why they’re acting weird around each other or not hanging out with each other as often as usual. Casca would be the only one to know what’s going on.

(2/2) I actually see Casca being the one giving them the helpful push
they need since those two idiots won’t do it themselves. Like she would
be hurt and upset at first but being that she loves Griffith and always
puts his happiness and desires before her own and plus she cares about
his mental health, she would do what she’s to do to help him get what he
wants. In this case getting Guts to break the ice with Griffith. 

Ooh I could really easily see this tbh.

I mean like, think of say an AU where Guts never heard the Promrose Hall speech, but still ended up falling off a cliff with Casca and asking her what her deal is. Casca tells him the same story, complete with talking about how jealous she is of him and it’s almost as if… as if…

except without the memory of the speech getting in the way Guts actually gets it.

And then awkwardness ensues for a while and Griffith is maybe hurt by Guts’ sudden shift in attitude (maybe Guts is avoiding him bc he’s trying to sort his own feelings out) and now that Casca and Guts have bonded a little she gets pissed off at him for accidentally acting like a dick and they talk and Guts has a revelation during their conversation. Or something. Yk, a mild version of what she tells him in canon, without the stabbing.

Or maybe for a somewhat angstier, more drawn out version, Guts and Griffith end up making out at some point for whatever reason (impulsive thank god you’re alive kiss, drunk, intimate late night talk and it just happens, whatever) but afterwards Griffith freaks out because he has a life plan and his life plan doesn’t include falling in love with Guts but if he acknowledges his attraction to him he can’t deny the rest of his feelings anymore and the sudden realization of how intense his feelings are throws him for a loop and he tells Guts it was a mistake, he has a princess to seduce and a kingdom to attain, yadda yadda yadda.

And then Griffith overcompensates. Takes a stupid irrational risk(s) to win the war/achieve the dream. Maybe it works out, maybe it’s a setback, maybe plot things ensue. Things are weird and awkward between him and Guts and everyone can see it, some of them connect the dots between that and how Griffith’s been acting lately, and finally Casca’s like, okay what the fuck, if someone doesn’t fix this we’re all screwed, and rolls up her sleeves.

lol idk why I’m throwing plot outlines out in response to this ask lol, but idk it’s a good concept that feels like something that would happen in canon, feels good feels organic.

I mean in canon Casca’s role veers from griffguts commentator/attempted facilitator to emotional/physical bridge between them, and l b r here the former role is by far kinder and less horrible to her. Let her do her perceptive thing and help them get together, and then she maintain good platonic friendships with them, grow on her own, then get a girlfriend.

win/win.

also ngl I love the trope where everyone in the immediate circle can see something’s going on between the awkward not-couple. which is another thing berserk has in canon to an extent and another reason I love it and this scenario works so well lol.

Is Berserk still doing the ‘the power of friendship’ theme? I stopped reading around the Falconia Arc. Its like, I like that Guts has friends again and everything isnt so hopeless anymore but this is Berserk. As much as I love the characters, and a part of me doesnt want anything bad to happen to them, I’m still waiting for something fucked up to happen.

Some mild spoilers below fyi, but short answer, yes imo, and ngl I hope something fucked up happens lol. I also like the characters but Guts’ story has been too happy recently with super low stakes and it’s been so boring to me.

But yeah it’s been leaning pretty heavy on ppl saying that the rpg group’s journey together has been gr8 and worthwhile etc pretty recently and yeah I’d call it like the central ~thing~ going on rn lol. Schierke and Farnese putting Casca back together and using symbols of all their friends/relationships/histories etc as weapons in Casca’s mind, Farnese saying she thinks she can help Casca get over her trauma bc they bonded over the course of their journey, and Guts talking to Serpico and Roderick about how grateful he is that they’re with him, that kinda thing.

The real question is whether it’s talking the friendships up so the audience will be extra sad when tragedy ruins everything, or whether it’s set up for narrowly averted tragedy through the power of friendship. Or, what I think is probably most likely, some tragedy but also friendship saving everything from being completely horrible.

do you know by any chance miura‘s opinion on griffguts?

I have heard on the grapevine that he’s been asked about it once or twice in interviews and does the typical ~men can have passionate relationships without it being sexual~ thing but I’ve never seen it first hand. (Well I guess I never will since it will always go through a translator first, but yk what I mean. Never seen more than a paraphrase.)

But also like, that doesn’t affect my reading at all lol. He clearly added intentional subtext, which is like, demonstrated when the characters themselves comment on it lol, and if he genuinely intended me to read them as two dudes who don’t want to fuck each other then he missed his target by so much that the dart somehow hit the wall behind him.

guts biting Griffith’s sword was a gay metaphor and then him breaking Griffith’s sword was another gay metaphor for guts “rejection” – or the perceived rejection from Griffith’s side

yeah i’ll def cosign this lol

i mean the sword blowjob was the farthest thing from subtle and while i think the second duel’s sword-breaking is largely about like… powerlessness moreso than clear sexual connotations like the first duel, it’s powerlessness in the face of griffith’s emotions for guts and his rejection by him, “how long ago did someone I was supposed to have in hand instead gain such a strong hold on me,” etc, so yeah. Totally a gay metaphor for griffith’s perceived rejection by guts.

(also i think you could argue that there are still some sexual connotations in the 2nd duel, it just feels like a little more of a stretch than w/ the hugely blatant first duel lol. but i mean, berserk equating wounds to sex not long after, guts breaking griffith’s sword before it hits him and then not even touching griffith with his own sword, right over top the scratch markes he gave himself which he traces after fucking charlotte later… lmfao fuck freudian imagery is such a fun rabbit hole, someone stop me.)

How come Charlotte be “Griffith Dream” I mean, what’s up with him trying to be a legitimate “King”?? They’re in a fairy tail world that his existence made fairy monsters creatures and humans mercy together he could’ve easily be a king. I don’t know why Miura thinks Charlotte is important others than being Griffith masterbation thing which is bad he doesn’t like her I refuse as a feminist supports muira letting Griffith use Charlotte that way. Women in Berserk get treated badly poor Charlotte.

I’m not sure I’m really understanding you right, but like, yeah ia that Berserk is super misogynist, though ngl NGriff still needing to marry Charlotte to seal the deal on his kingdom etc despite being basically a messiah now only makes me want to double down on my old “dream = sexual repression/heteronormative fantasy” reading lol.

also tbf compared to the shit most women in berserk suffer, charlotte co-ruling an awesome city with indoor plumbing and having a super charismatic husband who only pretends to care about her doesn’t seem that bad. but then i find it hard to empathize with fictional women whose whole lives revolve around their feelings for a dude, and the fact that griffith clearly does not return those feelings is the only thing that makes it palatable to me lol.

Like I’d say Charlotte is treated badly in Berserk not because she’s in a loveless relationship but because Miura has written her with absolutely nothing else in her life, yk? She is 100% defined by that relationship, so I can’t really bring myself to care about her beyond being exasperated by how badly Miura often writes women.

aight… hopefully ill stop bugging you after this but like in any established relationship like canon or modern HOW do you think griffguts actually initiates sissy bdsm au like do they talk about it is it the culmination of spontaneous decisions or?

lol i appreciate u bugging me bc i need excuses to talk about this kinda thing

ummmmm good question tho lmao

I’m going to throw out some ideas for a canon au concept, bc I feel like I’m on more solid ground there, like the way my brain works I can’t rly conceptualize modern au griffguts unless I intricately map out like the whole world they’re inhabiting, backstories, how everyone fits in, etc lol.

So like, canon au where Guts assassinated Julius without a hitch, never heard the Promrose Hall speech, and inevitably hooked up with Griffith bc lbr here if he never heard that speech there’s no way in hell they’re not getting together at some point. You can like take it as read as far as I’m concerned ngl. And
I think it’s better or at least easier if it starts in an established relationship, just bc I
think griffguts trying to start out kinky would be disastrous lol. they
need to have sorted thru some shit together first.

1. tried and true sparring turns into more cliche. they get really into it one day, end up losing their swords and rolling around in the grass until guts pins griffith down, and griffith or both of them are like, ok this is a thing. next time they fuck griffith starts working on trying to get guts to do it again. and thinking about it as an extention of sparring might actually make it easier and more fun for guts tbh.

2. once griffith gets comfortable with being in a relationship with guts, starts letting himself fantasize about him, etc, he’d start to focus on how big and strong guts is, how good in battle he is, and things would just escalate from there. Then he’d start suggesting stuff in bed like guts holding him down and trying to get guts into it.

(also: griffith falling into a guts-as-an-opposing-warlord-who-defeats-him-in-battle-and-takes-him-prisoner fantasy. js js.)

(actually that would probably disturb griffith afterwards since he’d be getting off to a fantasy of his dream being taken away. but yk, that only makes it better and more interesting so)

3. he could read about bondage or w/e in one of his many educational books lmao and go ‘ohhhh yeah i want that.’

4. curveball: guts starts it by being kind of a cocky brat in bed, jerking griffith off slowly to make him squirm, ignoring griffith when he tells him to get on with it already, pushing his hands away when he tries to do it himself, etc. griffith realizes he’s actually really into guts flaunting power over him.

Tho in every scenario I think it’s probably more likely that Griffith just tries to encourage Guts to exert some physical power over him in bed, at least at first, rather than having an actual mature talk about what they both want lol. Less, “hey Guts I have this idea, how would you feel about it?” and more “hey so I happen to have this rope under my pillow”

and then Guts would actually initiate the mature conversation about it lol, because Guts is just way better at talking about feelings.

I think Guts can defeat Neo Griffith in his human form. But what about Femto? If Guts reached Neo Griffith I think Griffith will be forced to transform into his demon/god form to use his full powers. But Femto is so OP. Do you think of any possibility or scenario to defeat him?

tbh I don’t really think it’s a matter of NeoGriffith transforming into a more powerful Femto form. We saw him as Femto once, when he killed Ganeshka’s ascended form, and I’m pretty sure that we only saw him as Femto because we were seeing him from Ganeshka’s point of view. I don’t think he literally transformed, I think it’s like, his ~ethereal~ form that only other godlike beings can see. Maybe Skull Knight can see it too, idk.

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Miura uses a very deliberate point of view shot to reveal NGriff-as-Femto for the first time, which is why I’m thinking it’s not a literal transformation.

But like, when it comes to power levels, idk. It’s all down to whatever Miura makes up, right? If Guts needs to defeat NGriff/Femto who has Femto’s telekinetic powers etc, Miura will make it possible by revealing magic Elf deus ex machina power up thing or something.

My hope though is that it doesn’t come down to a physical might against might thing, but rather, an emotional confrontation.

At the end of the day, even if NGriff is as powerful as Femto and Guts is no physical match for him, he still has the same weakness that resulted in Femto finding himself unable to kill Guts, and letting him go after the Eclipse. And NGriff calling off Zodd while his heart was unexpectedly beating. And Guts has his own, “the instant I saw him I’d forgotten my urge to kill,” thing.

Like this is a protag/antag relationship where both are conflicted and reluctant to kill the other, and have therefore been avoiding each other for like 200 chapters lol, and when you think of it like that I don’t think power levels are going to factor in much.

So to actually answer your question, the scenario I see to defeat NGriff/Femto, assuming he is defeated/killed eventually, is that Griffith fucks himself over once again because of the resurgence of his irrational, life-ruining emotions for Guts, fails to kill Guts when he should or fails to defend himself when he should or possibly does kill Guts and then has a breakdown at which point Casca can freely kill him.

I felt it was insensitive when Daanan put Casca in a elfin dress, like boom you’re fixed make sure to look pretty! Daanan saw what was in Casca’s mind!

yeah I completely agree! She even specifically mentioned that Casca was afraid of Guts before the whole dream thing. Which is why I’m clinging to my theory that Danann sent Casca to see Guts with the intention of triggering her.

Like I mean, come on, right? Danann’s like, Guts you can’t join them in her dreams because I sense that she has a strong fear of you that would impede the ritual. Then as soon as Casca wakes up she’s putting her in a romantic dress and sending her on a happy reunion, which immediately turns dark when Casca sees Guts and starts having flashbacks. Oh no who could have forseen this outcome? Well, Danann.

like straight up it’s either purposeful or it’s v sloppy writing imo.

what are your thoughts on the reunion at the hill of swords? why do you think griffith’s heartbeat quickens when he saw guts and casca? he blames it on the demon child but do you think that’s really true or is he just trying to rationalize his feelings for guts and casca?

OH man I have so many thoughts on this.

Ok like, to start, Griffith’s heart starts beating when he watches Guts square off against Zodd.

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Which imo is very reminiscent of the very first time he saw Guts, after he took Basuzo out.

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Guts fighting Zodd on the Hill of Swords is a demonstration of the very first thing that enchanted Griffith lol.

Guts fighting Zodd specifically also has this particular relevance to Griffith’s feelings:

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Their first encounter with him was all about Griffith’s irrational feelings for Guts. It kind of feels right for those feelings to hit Griffith again during another encounter with Zodd, even if he’s now on the opposite side.

So yeah I absolutely think NeoGriffith is lying his ass off to himself when he blames his feelings on the fetus lol. If I was Miura I might even go the same route – like you can’t have inarguable proof that Griffith’s feelings for Guts still exist if you’re going to be coy and ambiguous about NeoGriffith’s emotional state for the next 150 chapters. You need a narrative scapegoat to keep things ambiguous.

And lbr it’s extremely in character for Griffith to deny his feelings lmao. Like, it would be out of character if he didn’t find an excuse.

And at the same time if it turns out Griffith’s right and those are the fetus’ feelings then… it will just be mind-bogglingly, soul destroyingly bad writing lmfao. I can’t handle the concept of a writer spending 70 chapters dedicated to showing how Griffith is torn between his dream and his feelings for Guts, having those feelings completely drive the plot and making them the central point of the whole Golden Age, having the climactic sacrifice be Griffith’s attempt to escape those feelings, reintroducing Griffith as an emotionless shell of who he used to be, then dramatically suggesting that those feelings may still be there… only to have Griffith’s beating heart be a total coincidence and his residual feelings for Guts be the totally unrelated feelings of a fetus instead lmao.

Even NGriff blaming the fetus for saving Casca seems unnecessary to me, like I’d believe that if some of original Griffith’s emotions survived the transition to NGriff then he would also automatically move to save Casca, though I wouldn’t be surprised if that specifically is a legit fetus-related thing. I mean Miura’s going somewhere with the fetus lol so w/e maybe it’s somewhat relevant, but I just can’t believe it’s relevant to NGriff’s feelings for Guts.

Also I want to link this previous post I’ve written on the subject bc I love how this moment is laid out visually.

Well… I think one of the big things fans have pondered about Griffith’s torture is, did it ever cross into sexual assault of any kind? (Well maybe not conventional assault like we normally think) Because of Griffith’s beauty (which everyone notices in canon) that‘s something that his Midland captors probably thought would really affect him, and maybe the king ordered it specifically since his crime against the Kingdom was that of a sexual nature anyway… (TLDR… water is wet…)

Yeah like imo I don’t think it’s really in question, there’s so much creepy suggestivity there. tbh, and I’ve talked about this before lol so I’m not going to go on another long ramble about it but in brief, I think the real question is why is it only implicitly discussed and not explicitly discussed? I mean it’s not like Miura has ever shied away from sexual assault before in image or in dialogue lol. Griffith’s got the distinction of being I think the only character who gets assaulted in subtext instead of text.

One could argue that it’s not overly relevant since in the face of a year of torture Griffith’s going to be fucked up no matter what specifically happened, but if that’s the case, why hint at it at all w/ the tongue licking and the husband and wife comment and the fairly prominently featured gynecological tool and the fixation on beauty? Miura kinda missed his shot if he was aiming for classy understatement lmao.

Anyway idk I think it’s a major writing misstep personally.

Do you noticed neo Griffith is far more beautiful than human Griffith?

Yeah he rly is drawn in a v extra overly beautiful way. Though I think this is more Miura’s art style changing, rather than an in-universe change, mostly because of this:

I think NGriff is probably more perfect looking than human Griff, like if you took human Griffith on the best looking day of his life and gave him that perfection all the time, but I don’t think any of his features or anything have changed, even if Miura draws them slightly different – like curlier hair eg.

re: that other anon, you also converted me to griffguts. after watching the series i felt that griffith had unrequited feelings for guts, but after reading your meta i was convinced it was mutual. and not only did everything make much more sense that way, but it was narratively stronger that the golden age was such a could-have-had-it-all :( most of my enjoyment of media comes from fan meta over the media itself, and i wanted to say yours has been consistently perceptive, critical, and wonderful

anyway, i am just rambling now but it is such a relief to see someone
closely examine b/erserk’s deeply problematic storytelling. going on the
usual forums like reddit shows that people will bend over backwards to
deny that griffith or guts ever had feelings for the other, and more
than anything i loathe that miura’s cheap pornographic rape scene makes
it that much easier for them to hate a character that, let’s be real,
they would have loved to hate regardless 

i’m dying this is so nice and lovely and thank you for sending this you made my day <333 (also yeah ikwym about enjoying media bc of fan meta lol, it’s a big part of what i love about fandom, and I’m super glad you enjoy mine!)

And wrt the second part yeah it’s like, so frustrating. and lol you hit the nail on the head, the eclipse rape really just gives most of them an excuse to be self-righteous and holier-than-thou about hating a character they already hated.

just want to start by saying i love your blog! i’ve been into berserk for a while now but i recently discovered griffguts through your meta. do you have any recommendations for fan fiction or other fan works surrounding the two of them?

Thank you! and omg I am stoked that you got into griffguts after reading my meta, I’m grinning ridiculously rn lol ty for telling me this.

And yeah for sure! I rarely read fics that aren’t recced to me myself lol so even tho it’s a small fandom I def haven’t read everything, but here are a few I rly enjoyed:

the painted stage – alovelyburn
https://archiveofourown.org/works/785072

oil, sweat, and cinder – applecrumbledore
https://archiveofourown.org/works/11783898/chapters/26572404

enraptured – SuggestiveScribe
https://archiveofourown.org/works/6151171

do i wake or sleep – cainight (wip)
https://archiveofourown.org/works/13254225/chapters/30320127

all the king’s horses and all the king’s men – hikachu
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8873590/1/All-the-king-s-horses-and-all-the-king-s-men

and i have a fic tag for fic on tumblr which is worth a look

also probably anything else berserk-related these authors have written, though I haven’t read it all myself bc the less fic there is for a ship the more I want to indefinitely save some to read later lol