just-a-daft-punk
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I also like with how much respect he treats guts, like he keeps calling him chief, commander or general even though guts told him he doesn’t have to. And I feel like he’s the only one who’s genuinely interested in his real underlying motives like why he even fights for Casca and what his feelings for her are

Yeah he seems to genuinely like and respect Guts, which is nice, and tbh I found it kind of strange but endearing that he’s the only one who asked Guts about Casca and seemed to get an answer (tho we didn’t see it). Plus he got the Elfhelm drinking conversation going between him and Guts and Serpico. he’s a good facilitator of heart to hearts lol.

phydia63
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It would suck imo if Roderick turns out to be a dick just like every male character in berserk ever.
If he is a nice guy like it seems rn, I can see him going with the flow when Farnese breaks off the engagement

yeah, there sure aren’t many non-dickish dudes in Berserk. Maybe Serpico? But with him it’s less that he genuinely wants to be a decent guy and more like he can’t be assed to be a dick bc it’s more of a hassle lol. so far roderick is fairly refreshing.

phydia63
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I was really pleasantly surprised by Roderick, I expected him to be a slimy man since he is friends with Magnifico lol But he was so chill, also he’s cool on a ship xD I’d like if he and Farny become nice friends

same! the way he was introduced as Farnese’s surprise fiancee set up by her scheming brother definitely made me expect the worst but so far he’s been a surprisingly good dude. i’d love to see Farnese break off the engagement and Roderick take it in stride and remain friends with her. i mean I guess there’s some ulterior motive to them getting married (due to that whispery ball conversation between roderick and magnifico), so that might not be how it goes, but it would be nice and I could definitely see Roderick being amiable about it.

myahle
replied to your post “Guts is different from Griffith. Guts fights the beast in him every…”

THANK YOUUUUUUU. This in-depth analysis is perfect. My brother made me watch Berserk with him and started ne off saying, “you’ll probably like Griffith because, but you shouldn’t. You should like Guts.” I do like Guts; however, I adore Griffith because of his complexity and I enjoy his parallel with Guts’ narrative. I am so glad that someone else has pointed out how each character is similar, yet different. ������

thank you for your kind words ❤

glad you didn’t end up agreeing with your brother, I find berserk is just a richer, better story when you can appreciate and enjoy Griffith’s complex character and narrative. both guts and griffith are important to berserk and why only like one when you can enjoy both, right?

farneseapologist
replied to your post “griffith represents the realistic reaction. a lot of people who read…”

THANK YOU i think in particular the part abt the sacrificed person being who you most love *and* hate in that moment gets ignored, like the fact that in the canon examples the person(s) you love the most has betrayed you or ruined your life etc etc is glossed over??
it’s very easy to say
“well, *i* wouldnt do it” and pat your back smugly for being a good and
moral person if you can’t imagine ever facing that level of betrayal
from your loved ones

yeah it’s an important part of the whole equation. maybe it’s not the case in every single sacrifice, but it seems to generally hold true and it makes sense because in Berserk fate basically arranges circumstances for the highest possibility of someone saying “yes.” Except with Theresia, the sacrifice is always the reason for the behelit owner’s despair. It’s, ‘cut this out of your life and you will never feel despair like this again.’

idk I guess it’s less obvious with Guts and Griffith because Guts like, didn’t just try to kill him or anything, the betrayal Griffith perceives from him is a lot more subtle and blameless. More of a, I destroyed my dream because I’m in love with you and you’re going to leave me again, kind of thing. He says, “you’re the only one who made me forget my dream,” like an accusation. But I mean Guts himself acknowledges that he’s the one who drove Griffith to despair while he’s riding after him, so Guts being the source of Griffith’s pain is pretty explicitly part of the Eclipse.

So like yeah, even if you wouldn’t sacrifice someone you love who is totally innocent under any circumstances, let’s be real most of the people who say they’d never sacrifice someone aren’t thinking of a cheating spouse, or a son who just tried to kill them, or someone they love whose perceived rejection lead to a year of torture.

by the throat

griff-guts:

Nothing feels right anymore. There’s something wrong with him, he knows it, and it rots in his brain and leaks into his dreams and he fears for the day even Guts’ can’t quiet it, because he knows that day is coming.

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Guts awakes to the smell of salt and butter. It’s early, and the mist creeping through the slit where Griffith enters his tent, a tray in hand, licks at the foot of Guts’ bed.

“How did you sleep?” Griffith asks as he puts the food down. Guts grunts in reply; he’s never been much of a morning person.

Clouds of cream billow through the coffee, curling in on itself, like little drops of blood suspended in water. The steam hits Guts’ face as Griffith pushes the cup toward him, eyes not breaking from his task of setting up the table. Guts’ helping is stacked high with meat and jam and cheese and fried tomatoes and eggs and pickles and toast, all foods classically reserved for the nobility. Perhaps Griffith spoils Guts, but he likes to know Guts is well-fed and taken care of – nothing fills Griffith up the way watching Guts eat does.

Griffith plucks a thick strip of ptarmigan and holds it up, bait on the fisherman’s line, watching as Guts takes it between his teeth and it disappears behind his incisors.

“You know, I’ve heard that fingers can be bitten in half just as easily as a carrot,” Griffith remarks, cheek resting against his palm.

“Wouldn’t be surprised,” Guts replies, shovelling in a mouthful of gruyere, “when I was a kid I saw someone rip another guy’s throat out with his teeth. Looked more like an animal than a person by the time he was through with ‘em – part of the windpipe was still hanging from his mouth, like a link of sausage.”

Hearing of Guts’ past made something ugly twist in Griffith’s chest. The time before Guts’ was his and now aren’t even comparable, they’re two separate periods, barely existing in the same universe.

Griffith hums, then drives the tongs of his fork into the eggs soft belly, yellow oozing from the twin sets of puncture marks. The yolk dribbles down the slices of bread, cutting through the sheen of grease atop the bacon and forming a thick puddle at the plate’s lip.  

“He must have been desperate, to kill someone in such a way.”

Guts shakes his head, “Nah. As far as I remember, they were fighting over a game of cards.”

Griffith is quiet. His eyes don’t stray from the gnashing of Guts’ jaw.


Griffith dreams of Guts leaving, and he wakes up gasping to fill the hollow ache in his chest where it feels like his lungs have been ripped through his sternum. Sometimes, in these brief moments where he totters the line of consciousness, he feels footsteps crunching through snow and a sword swinging towards him and the broad span of Guts’ back blotting out the rising sun, and tears prickle at the corners of his eyes.

He rolls over and tries to ignore the ceiling gaping open above, an aching black chasm yawning, watching him like the all-seeing eye of a god.


Veins stick out of Guts’ arms like unspooled thread, and Griffith can feel Guts’ pulse through their joined fingers.

“Do you remember the first time we held hands?” he asks, bending Guts’ thumb at the knuckle, running the blunt edge of his nail over the lines in Guts’ palm.

“Uh… don’t think so.”

“It was the night we raided that camp, after I won you. You took up the rear and I came back to get you, then rode us both through the trees and away.”

Guts whistles, “feels like a hundred years ago – but it’s only been three, hasn’t it?”

Time hardly even registers with Griffith any longer. For him the days are measured by the next battle, the next meeting with the king, the next war. It’s been so long since he’s slept a full night through. He nods. “Do you remember what I told you then?”

Guts’ eyebrows furrow, wracking his memory.

“I told you not to talk. I told you not to open your mouth, or else you’d bite your tongue.” Griffith squeezes Guts’ hand and wonders at how warm Guts always feels.

“Honestly, I thought you were gonna cut my tongue out when we fought. When I bit down on your sword, I wasn’t concerned with anything but winning, but later I realized how easy it would’ve been. If you moved that blade even an inch it could’ve sliced me right open,” Guts says, looking away from him.

“I’d never do that to you.” Griffith nuzzles his face into Guts’ shoulder, “I can’t imagine anything worse, really, than having my tongue cut out.” He shivers as the space around his gums suddenly feels empty, a phantom memory of loss there that made his vision blur and slats of pain shoot through his head, like he’s remembering something he isn’t supposed to.

Guts coils a little white curl around his forefinger, smiling halfheartedly in that way he always does when he can tell Griffith’s tense. There’s a tug in Griffith’s stomach, nervous and desperate, and he doesn’t know why, but he thinks again of Guts leaving him.

Griffith lifts Guts’ hand from his hair to his lips, kissing his fingertips, and then closes his eyes as he takes Guts’ third finger into his mouth, all the way down to the proximal phalanx, and sinks his teeth in. Guts jolts and when Griffith pulls away already a mottled bruise is beginning to form there in a full circle, almost like a ring.


The back of Guts’ neck fills Griffith’s vision when he jolts out of sleep. There’s only starlight to guide him but Griffith swears he sees a shape carved into the skin there – a figure-eight with a hand reaching up through the centre, fingers spread, clutching for purchase in unforgiving nothingness.

Griffith blinks, and it disappears. Bile rises in his throat and Guts doesn’t stir as he stumbles away from bed and retches into the grass.

When they have breakfast together now, Griffith piles all the food on Guts’ plate and observes quietly as Guts eats. There are violet half-moons under his eyes and his cheekbones protrude just a little more than they used to, but he still smiles as Guts scrapes the honey from the milk of his porridge.

Having Guts at his side alleviates the malaise that hangs over Griffith. If Guts notices the way Griffith clings to him tighter than before, he doesn’t mention it, yet Griffith knows Guts stares at him when he thinks Griffith can’t see, and he knows that if he were to turn, he’d see worry in Guts’ eyes.

“Want some?” Guts offers a piece of ham skewered on his fork, and Griffith takes it like a baby bird, just because Guts asked. Each bite is tasteless and heavy in Griffith’s mouth. He grinds it into a thin paste with his molars so it doesn’t stick to the lump in his throat on the way down.


This is the place he owns Guts the most.

He has Guts lying supine under him, knees slotted in beside the divots in Guts’ waist, thumbs stroking Guts’ cheekbones.

“Have you ever thought about leaving? About doing something else?” Griffith asks, voice quiet. He watches Guts’ face, as though might catch Guts in a lie, but Guts doesn’t look guilty – only confused.

“Why would I wanna leave? My life’s the best it’s ever been. And it’s not like you’re gonna be ready to abandon your dream here anytime soon, right?”

Griffith breathes, then nods, then shoves his face into Guts’ neck. The illusion of peace doesn’t last long before he’s reminded of that brand, bloody and raw, with the hand reaching toward him.

Nothing feels right anymore. There’s something wrong with him, he knows it, and it rots in his brain and leaks into his dreams and he fears for the day even Guts’ can’t quiet it, because he knows that day is coming.

His teeth scrape over Guts’ jugular, and Guts’ fingers twist into the fabric of Griffith’s shirt. Distress drowns Griffith and yanks him under, sending him clawing at Guts’ chest, kissing the length of his mandible, dark bruises flowering where his lips and canines meet Guts’ skin.


Guts snores against him, the marks Griffith bit into him already fading. The bonfires of the Band are fading, too, slowly consumed by their own ashes, but through the canvas walls of the tent, they look more like smudges of carmine. From here, it was as if each flame were a person dancing on its last legs, as if each flame were a part of the Band, struggling to stay so that Griffith could watch them as he pretends to sleep.

All those lives flicker and dim before him. Guts’ is the only one that matters.

griffith represents the realistic reaction. a lot of people who read berserk dont want to admit it, but most if not all of us wouldn’t be able to struggle. we would give in to what we were led to believe was our fate. people like to believe they’re special, and if you’re coerced in your darkest hour to think so- a lot of us would do anything. that’s also along w/ many reasons why ppl hate griffith. bc characters reflect the uncomfortable reality of what people will commonly do

Yeah I pretty much agree with you. Whenever I see someone who’s like, “I would never ever sacrifice someone I cared about no matter what,” I’m like, well that seems like a v high and untested opinion of yourself.

Idk maybe they’re just a lot more idealistic than me and believe the majority of people wouldn’t choose to sacrifice someone in a moment of pure despair, or maybe they genuinely are that self-sacrificing lol, but I’m with you – I’d say most people would. Especially in the world of Berserk, where behelits generally end up with people who have extremely strong values/desires/drives that make them more likely to sacrifice one thing for the sake of another thing. Add the fact that every apostle we see (except Count Slug’s second attempt) sacrificed someone/thing they both loved and hated in that moment, and the fact that moments of despair are tailored by fate to each individual – to be their worst moment, playing on their specific fears and insecurities etc, and yeah, I’d say just about everyone would make the sacrifice under those conditions.

And tbh one thing I love about Griffith’s narrative is that I actually find it really relatable/understandable. I think Miura did an amazing job of showing us what Griffith values, what he prioritizes, what he believes, what he feels, and how his life has driven him to the point of the Eclipse. When he says, “I sacrifice,” it’s so good because it’s been completely built up to. We got to really see all the elements that come together at that moment to make him choose the sacrifice, and it’s absolutely a realistic decision for his particular character. And personally one of my favourite things about fiction is that feeling of understanding why someone does something terrible, or evil, or stupid, or self-destructive, etc etc. I find it very cathartic, and Berserk is perfect for that.

Like it’s fair if ppl find the same thing uncomfortable or off-putting. A story about relatable/realistic people making bad choices for understandable reasons is definitely not for everyone, but that’s absolutely what Berserk is, at least the Golden Age, and misreading it as the story of an evil dude doing evil things because he’s evil doesn’t change that.

Something to think about:

While Griffith is human, Guts is an ordinary dude doing his best.

While Griffith is Femto, Guts is the Black Swordsman, traumatized, lashing out, driven by the rage inside of him.

While Griffith is NeoGriffith, Guts shifts away from rage and revenge towards personal growth.

Plus, each of Guts’ character shifts is a direct result of Griffith. Becoming Griffith’s soldier helps Guts come out of his shell, helps him grow as a person and accept the friendships of those around him, helps him be a responsible leader and dedicated comrade, and inspires him.

Guts becomes the Black Swordsman because of Femto’s actions, because of his desire for revenge and need to exorcise the rage and hurt inside him.

And Guts decides to take Casca to Elfhelm, gaining friends and chilling out along the way because NeoGriffith “abandoned” him.

I don’t have a real conclusion to draw but I’m throwing this out there anyway. Parallels, reflections, etc.

seisans
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this is why in every au i imagine casca and guts as siblings … it’s literally perfect they have such a good platonic dynamic

I feel this tbh. Thinking about how much better their relationship, and the manga in general, would be if their relationship stayed platonic bums me out lol. It would’ve been so superior.

seisans said: is guts watching ‘cause griffith is cute
or is griffith cute ‘cause guts is watching?

asking the real questions. maybe he’s born with it, maybe it’s off the charts romantic chemistry

Serpico and Roderick

Serpico:

character: hate them | don’t really care | like them | LOVE them | THEY ARE MY PRECIOUS

ship with: this is so difficult. I really want him and Guts to have a weird drunken hookup exactly once, but that’s not really shipping. I could see him with Roderick, I think it would be cute if he’s engaged to Farnese but just shrugs when it turns out she’s not interested and gets with Serpico instead lol, and Serpico seems to like manly yet relatively decent dudes (you cannot tell me he didn’t hit on Luca’s bf that one time).

I’ve also seen Serpico/Silat suggested, and I mean they’ve never interacted before but the idea kind of leapt out at me and tbh I could see it. Serpico’s chill and reasonable, Silat is hot-headed but also reasonable, Silat is a leader who has a goal, Serpico is more of a tempering follower, Silat’s flashy and Serpico’s understated. Idk they feel like a good combination.

brotp: Farnese ofc. I do love them together, in a platonic sibling way lol. Whatever happens I wouldn’t want to see them separate.

general opinions: Serpico is a v refreshing character in the world of Berserk lol, it’s kind of nice having someone in the mix who is chill. I mean he’s chill to a fault, and it’s shown to be also a result of childhood trauma (oh Berserk), but it makes a good contrast to everyone else. I enjoy his character development, which is subtler than most other characters – like watching him slooooowly move from wanting Guts to die to occasionally saving his life has been great. It’d be nice to see him with another important relationship outside of Farnese – we can see that the RPG group is growing on him, but while Farnese has new, influential relationships with Guts, Schierke, Casca, and Roderick to an extent, Serpico doesn’t really. Give him a boyfriend, Miura.

Roderick:

character: hate them | don’t really care | like them | LOVE them | THEY ARE MY PRECIOUS

ship with: Serpico, or tbh Magnifico lol. I mean lbr, Magnifico hooked him up with his lesbian sister so they could conveniently beard for each other.

brotp: Farnese, I think they have the beginnings of a cute friendship, or Guts, bc they hit it off pretty well with some chill mutual battle-related respect and Guts needs more ordinary, well-adjusted bros.

general opinions: He doesn’t really grab me as a character, but I don’t dislike him either. He’s nice, he seems like a good dude – he’s the one who headed the attempt to save Guts from the sea god thing, and I can respect that, plus I enjoyed the reveal that he’s like the fighting equivalent of Guts on a ship. I think he’s got more going on beneath the pleasant exterior – we had that interrupted schemy conversation with Magnifico that we still haven’t addressed afaik, but I doubt it’s anything particularly sinister.

skellig-island:

Griffith’s Sacrifice & Casca’s Dream

It’s interesting that Griffith’s state is also described as a dream as well. In “Sword of the Berserk: Guts’ Rage” when Casca regains her sanity she briefly says ‘I was dreaming. A really bad dream’. That game came out in 1999 and had some input by Miura so he might’ve always intended for her dreamscape to be nightmarish.

Someone has probably already sent you this, but Griffith.

actually you’re the only person who’s sent anything so this works out ❤

character: hate them | don’t really care | like them | LOVE them | REALLY FUCKING LOVE THEM

ship with: Guts ofc

brotp: hmmm. Guess I gotta go with Zodd. Griffith may have no friends but at least he has a giant monster he can ride around on.

general opinions: Griffith exemplifies like a million of my favourite tropes and he’s one of my favourite fictional characters of all time. Ambitious emotionally repressed + morally dubious person brought down by intense overwhelming love, like, it’s the epitome of my shit. I love how complex he is, and I love how tragic his narrative is, and I love how repressed and stupid he is, and I love how gay he is, and I love how emotionally vulnerable he is in brief moments when he loses control, etc etc.

Casca

character: hate them | don’t really care | like them | LOVE them | THEY ARE MY PRECIOUS

ship with: FARNESE!

brotp: tbh all the Hawks, I love what we see of her relationship to the Band in general. I love the theoretical concept of her being bffs with Guts instead of hooking up with him and just removing all sex from their relationship, but in canon as is, nah get them far away from each other.

general opinions: I love her, I think she had a ton of potential as an interesting character that unfortunately we only ever got to see brief glimpses of, I really really wish the story was kinder to her, and I want her to raise hell when she gets her mind back.

I don’t really have a theory, but as you said Sonia might be a self taught witch. But to use the witch powers doesn’t she have to connect with spirits? Her thing reminds me more of the elves, but idk, it’s probably not important in the end.

inablackmirror:

bthump:

inablackmirror:

bthump:

hmm yeah it is kind of inconsistent with the whole schierke calling on spirits thing, the rituals, etc. good point!

maybe she will have a surprise backstory, like only being half human or something. or at least it’s a worthwhile headcanon, if we never learn anything more about her.

I sort of feel like she’s just…different. As she says, alike to Griffith.

Legit tbh. It wouldn’t surprise me if we never got more of an explanation than this, and I’m ok with that.

I like to think of her as girl!Griffith and someday I want to see her grow up to be a horrifying beautiful world ruler of a utopia or something via sketchy supernatural powers too.

lol I could see this, and I’d be into it. tbh I actually really hope we get to see her as a powerful adult after the theoretical Elfhelm timeskip. I could easily see her as Griffith’s second in command, or ruler of a sub kingdom or something. Also assuming she matures a bit and doesn’t just turn into a drusilla-esque wacky psychic.

I don’t really have a theory, but as you said Sonia might be a self taught witch. But to use the witch powers doesn’t she have to connect with spirits? Her thing reminds me more of the elves, but idk, it’s probably not important in the end.

inablackmirror:

bthump:

hmm yeah it is kind of inconsistent with the whole schierke calling on spirits thing, the rituals, etc. good point!

maybe she will have a surprise backstory, like only being half human or something. or at least it’s a worthwhile headcanon, if we never learn anything more about her.

I sort of feel like she’s just…different. As she says, alike to Griffith.

Legit tbh. It wouldn’t surprise me if we never got more of an explanation than this, and I’m ok with that.