jillresia:

farnese canonically has a hard time expressing herself in words n understanding emotions + thats central to her mother’s point about finding somewhere she belongs and now shes out here as the voice for cascas feelings n rlly experiencing it and ppl rlly dont get farnesca? 🤔

chaoticgaygriffith:

i feel like the double standard stems partially from the fact that guts “feels bad” about what he did to casca

but griffith would fucking feel bad too if he had the ability to feel anything lol. he is literally the king of feeling bad about fucked up shit he’s done, please

griffith:

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berserk fans: i am shocked, shocked and absolutely appalled that neogriffith said he has no regrets

griffith:

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those same berserk fans: griffith has clearly been an evil unfeeling sociopathic monster from the beginning

chaoticgaygriffith:

ok so i went looking for those pages and when the beast of darkness bites casca’s neck while telling him to r*pe her to get closer to griffith

it says something which the official translation team translated as “you desire this”

but the old fan translation says:

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it’d be interesting to see if the original japanese wording here is the same as the “what you wish for may not be what she wishes for” or w/e line

ooooh ngl it would be a p interesting twist if ‘your wishes may not be her wishes’ is ominious not necessarily because casca’s wishes are going to fuck shit up but because skull knight is referring to the fact that guts still wishes to be griffith’s friend/equal, and it’s guts who’s going to cut and run or go beast of darkness or w/e

like i’d still vastly prefer for casca to do something epic but i wouldn’t say no to guts leaving casca behind again and going griffith hunting. like honestly anything that separates guts and casca and gives them different or even clashing goals/motivations/narratives/etc is all right in my book

this last part of Guts’ trip in the land of the elves reminds me a bit of when the Halcon band came back triumphant and had their moment of glory, everything seems so perfect but I feel that something will go very wrong, but I do not know what it is it’s just a precept I have What do you think about it?

ia i think something’s going to go south once casca gets her mind back, miura’s been throwing “your wishes may not be her wishes” at us over and over for a reason after all.

tbh before the most recent chapter i would’ve guessed casca being forced to confront her trauma = despair = behelit

now i’m high key worried that it’s going to be something more along the lines of manufactured drama featuring casca cockblocking guts’ revenge quest because neogriffith grew out of the stupid fetus

i mean it could still be the first thing, or something else entirely, i’m not super pessimistic. on the boat guts did refer to casca falling to pieces because she couldn’t cope with what happened, so what will happen if she does get her sanity back, which does give me hope that miura isn’t just going to sweep her trauma under the rug so he can focus on weird fetus drama. we’ll see i guess.

tw: images of sexual assault (forced kisses)

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like sorry but from my point of view the instant a character sexually assaults his former love interest in a direct, visual and textually described parallel to a demon who raped her and traumatized her into insanity, i think it’s a little ridiculous and fucked up to leap to his defense because a character literally described as made out of evil is worse

like yeah no shit a demonic entity created out of the darkness of humanity is worse, but when a good old fashioned human protagonist is directly compared to him in the context of sexually assaulting the same woman, it’s ok to just accept that this story is morally grey and dark and fucked up and gratuitously rapey instead of whiteknighting him

Reason you can’t trust GriffGuts shippers/Griffith defenders #2

griffithlovesguts:

good-ol-fashion-robrae:

Their idea of a morally gray character is a rapist who plans to dominate humanity by making life inhospitable everywhere except under his domain- I’m sorry, his “paradise”, Falconia.

Not only that, but everything he’s done Post-Eclipse was purely to continue his own selfish desires, and not helping Casca like Guts has. 

You know, the guy who’s spent almost the last two thirds of the Manga trying to heal Casca’s mind, entrusted his life and more importantly HER life to new friends, and is currently waiting on the sides for Casca to return because he has faith they well succeed.

Remember, raping an innocent woman and driving her insane = morally gray, but trying to help that innocent woman does NOT equal morally gray, it’s horrible that Guts has trauma and couldn’t escape it and in a fit of madness attacked Casca because it boiled to the surface and he’s spent almost every chapter since brooding over what happened.

Again: Rape = a morally gray act, especially when it’s done with the sole intent to emotionally damage your friend who’s in a relationship with the victim.

The gray morality part was NOT in the context of the rape, but the general character writing and especially Guts, because you say “griffguts shippers paint him black”. We don’t. We paint him grey, because he is written that way and unlike people like yourself, Miura has NEVER seemed to be apologetic about him to me, just like he has never been apologetic about Griffith. But he has also never painted any of them black. He stated himself he does NOT imply good vs. bad logic to Berserk –  author’s intention is to tell a story people like you simply dismiss for the sake of their favourites never being criticised. You dismiss the humanity of his characters and their tendencies to do evil things, while NOT being completely evil themselves. I mean if you can’t grasp even this much, read something else, honestly. And if you can’t accept Guts NOT being a good person, but rather gray on the good vs. bad scale, then you are the last person on Earth to defend him, you only make those who like him seem like a mindless mob, who can’t handle actual plot facts being pointed out, lmao.

I have YET to see a Griffith “defender” rant in the main tags, because one single person wrote a meta simply stating Casca hates him for raping her.

And when you say “we never talk about Griffith, who did this and that” we do lol, to every post criticising Guts, there are 5000 posts shitting on Griffith, so what the fucking hell are you talking about? Can’t stand some balance in this fandom? Are people supposed to ONLY ever talked about the Eclipse, because your sensitive ass might hurt if you saw anything even vaguely negative about Guts?

Nope.

i h8 getting involved in this shit but here it is in the author’s own words op:

Also, manga characters have the tendency to be divided clearly into
enemies and allies, good and evil. However, I’m creating Berserk without
including such values in it.
Griffith is Griffith – he seems attractive
and looking from his side, it’s Guts who’s the villain. For some
people, the world that Griffith is creating might be more in their
favor.

actually speaking of griffith/rosine parallels one thing i’m real worried about is that falconia is going to end up being another land of the elves style thing compared to guts’ jill.

not in the sense that children are murdering each other or even that there’s a dark underbelly at all, just in that falconia will be portrayed as a childish immature fantastical escape from the horrors of the world compared to the more ‘mature’ concept of just dealing with your life being terrible instead of actively trying to escape or change things, a la rosine’s escape from abuse to her fake fantasy vs jill being portrayed as more admirable for going back home and just… taking the abuse?

i hated the end of the lost children arc, is what i’m saying, but it seems like very apt set up for falconia, which worries me. i don’t want guts and griffith to be jill and rosine 2.0

well that’s a lie i absolutely do, but yk, just with the gay vibes, not with those particular themes.

kissing-monsters:

chaoticgaygriffith:

kissing-monsters:

guts is the protagonist, not the hero, and that’s something I actually thoroughly enjoy about berserk

wish more people actually understood this lol. also that griffith being the antagonist doesn’t mean he’s the villain

that’s like a fundamental part of berserk as I read it, I’m actually concerned what’s happening in people’s heads if they don’t grasp that omg.

kissing-monsters:

a griffguts fanmix;
[a lot of these are about specific times in their history, or more about one or the other– mostly griffith. I think I will end up adding to this by reblogging it]

florence and the machine – cosmic love
A falling star fell from your heart and landed in my eyes
I screamed aloud, as it tore through them, and now it’s left me blind 

dressed in dreams – brody dalle
And I will come dressed up in dreams

no victory – phillip henry and hannah martin 

No clean hands, no place to hide
To us the hollow of the day that we all died.

love crime – siouxsie sioux & brian reitzell
A blood red setting sun
Rushing through my veins

black sun on the horizon – gunship

dreams – bastille and
gabrielle aplin

Like a heartbeat drives you mad
In the stillness of remembering
What you had
And what you lost

arsonist’s lullaby – hozier

When I was a man I thought it ended
When I knew love’s perfect ache
But my peace has always depended
On all the ashes in my wake

jillresia:

353 SPOILERS

i keep trying to read this chapter while keeping at the forefront of my mind that this is casca’s dreamscape.  so like.  assuming mr miura wants to write with that perspective, things should play out like how casca’s internalized it, right?

which means what it comes down to is griffith/femto and guts, both having hurt her so deeply, are still entirely caught up in each other before they give a shit about her

like you’d think otherwise birdy femto would like easily be able to destroy the casket.  but like.  once dogguts was freed and the chain binding him to it was broken, it was all bird vs hound.  sure u can take this as guts occupying him while farny and schierke get down to business, but lets be real here.

casca’s ultimately being saved (hopefully) by FARNESE (and schierke) and that feels Good

but also the emphasis in this chapter on dog guts being in berserker mode now makes me nervous, because if this IS all written from casca’s internalization, that puts casca, farnese, and schierke at risk.  from like, GUTS.  thats making me nervous.

after reading the translation there was more of an emphasis on guts just fucking off to fight femto while being a potential danger to the coffin in berserk mode than i was expecting, while schierke and farnese do the actual important shit

tbh i’m glad the risk guts poses is being acknowledged bc imo it’s infinitely better than casca’s dreamscape just portraying him as the noble protector, which i was worried about

bthump:

these two pages are the most strongly visually conveyed theory -> rebuttal i’ve ever seen

like i’m sorry i can worry all i want over ominous fetus-y portents and casca’s narrative, and i am, but i just can’t believe the same guy who wrote this scene is going to skimp on the emotional resolution to guts and griffith’s relationship

he went to see guts to test if anything would shake his heart! and then failed that test! while watching a fight extremely reminiscent of his very first sight of guts! this is just so good

#literally like i hope the man who wrote this iconic scene is still with us   

i mean ngl i’m gonna be maintaining this hope until the epilogue of
this story no matter what shit miura pulls because i’m just that
invested in these stupid characters

i’m gonna be like those sherlock fans convinced the season 4 finale was a secret hidden message and there’s a real ending just waiting to be released