I’ve come this far by letting go of my obsession …
even though griffith is right there in the panel and it shouldn’t be unclear who guts was obsessed with, and even though “my obsession with him” may not be the happiest translating solution, i’m still side-eyeing the translators for leaving griffith’s name/the male pronoun out bc the original clearly says “my obsession with griffith (him)”
by the way, the word 執着 is defined as “being strongly drawn to[1] something, strongly[2] setting your heart on it[3] and being completely unable to forget about it[4]” and can be translated as “obsession” “attachment” “fixation” (i quickly looked up example sentences and it was like, attachment to money, results, victory, opinions; fixation in terms of fetishes/dating preferences; still being attached to one’s mother; clinging to hope/life etc. but also: being obsessed with someone specific, most likely in a romantic/sexual sense but not necessarily ig)
[1] drawn to = ひかれる, which means something like “to be attracted/drawn to” “to be fascinated by” “to be taken with” “to be charmed by” [2] the first “strongly” is 強く (”strongly”), the second “strongly” is 深く (”deeply”) but i couldn’t figure out how to use two different words and still make it make sense in english so i just used the same word twice [3] among the couple of meanings of 思い込む is “to firmly decide in your heart” or, as i put it up there, “to set one’s heart on” [4] the verb used here isn’t just 忘れる (”to forget”) but 忘れ切る (”to forget” + “to cut”) which is really like to completely forget all about something
that makes perfect sense. he has low self-esteem so he projects his feelings onto guts and kinda living the relationship vicariously.. i don’t think this was in any way good because he completely disregarded both guts and casca’s feelings tbh (and griffith’s). guts did the same thing, like you said, but i don’t think he did that to such a detrimental degree iirc. i still don’t see why cishets love him so much tbh. thanks for the detailed reply!
lol i’ll take any excuse to go on and on about something, ty for your reply + giving me an opening 🙂
Yeah I have a lot of mixed feelings about Judeau. I’m still fond of him and I kind of like that he fits the “tertiary friend who gives the protag wise advice” slot except that a lot of his advice is terrible and makes things worse because he has his own issues too. it gives him a nice little bit of dimension. But lol I still resent him a bit for being the resident het cheerleader, and he’s far from the super good bro who gives great advice that a lot of Berserk fandom treats him as.
Yea…but if he had been a wise, old guy knowing basically everything and explaining “the truth” to our characters it would have been less exciting since this guy would have been right.
Even though Judeau knew a great bunch of things, he was completely unaware of some things and was one of the main drivers for the eclipse. I am not sure if Guts would have started a relationship with Casca…and that the two people important to him were a “thing” played a significant role in Griffith s deeds….
Yeah absolutely. lol imo one great thing about the golden age was that no one had all the answers, no one was “right,” at least not consistently. Even Godo’s brief flashback appearance where he helped inspire Guts’ sword swinging dream by being a blacksmith was not shown as totally right, and he’s the archetypal wise old dude.
lol and this was after he was briefly possessed and strangled her which is why Puck is so quick to absolve him
like even Guts knows that he was able to be possessed in that moment because his… hmm, because his dominant desires were aligned with the darkness of the spirits around him, I guess I’d put it? Because he’s tempted. Because part of him does want to kill Casca.
a la
Like the night scene where he strangles her and then feels like he can’t blame it on the spirits, at least not entirely, because “you desire this,” is there to set up the subsequent sexual assault and contrast it, since it takes place in broad daylight and is visually distinct from the possession in that Guts is not transformed at all, to show that Guts has the potential to be just as dark as the monsters and ghosts he fights (not exactly a subtle theme lol) when he loses control.
Yeah I think his heart was in the right place, it seems like he genuinely just wanted what was best for everyone even if his methods were a little… underhanded and dishonest. Like towards the end eg, he probably thought Griffith would be better off with him and his thieves than with Guts and Casca as well as vice versa (and if Guts and Casca stayed together while taking care of Griffith he might’ve even been right, bc lbr that would’ve been a shitshow lol.) He’s likeable, and fun, and he has some great moments, like telling Guts he’s sure he’ll find what he’s looking for with the Hawks. Ngl his death scene always makes me cry lol, I do def like him overall, in part because he makes mistakes too.
Also I wonder if there isn’t a subtle indication from Miura that Judeau and Casca should’ve gotten together instead of Guts and Casca, and it’s its own little sub-tragedy based on stupid self-esteem issues that they didn’t. The way during the Eclipse Judeau does his best to save her and defends her with his own life while Guts is up on the hand still trying to “save” Griffith lol feels kind of starkly telling. I don’t ship them myself, I like their friendship and I kind of wish Judeau hadn’t had a crush the whole time lol, but it fits into the whole missed opportunity vibe of the Golden Age.
It is kind of a shame that the Golden Age side characters got way less backstory and development than the current RPG group, but the current group has so much more time. Like 200+ chapters vs 70. I did love the little enriching hints we got about the Hawks though, like Judeau feeling inadequate as a jack of all trades, the hints that Corkus is bitter about his own lost dreams. I’d say ‘etc’ but actually that’s about it really. Wish we got more on Pippin too.
Holy moly, what have we even been doing for the last 200+ chapters?? As much as I love the rpg group, nothing beats the original Hawks for me.
I definitely think that the Golden Age was all about people missing what was right in front of them, and losing their chances, or screwing them up on purpose. I mean, it can’t just be Guts and Griffith in this crapsack world that do it.
You mentioned how during the eclipse Guts was focusing of Griffith while Judeau was focused on Casca. Got me thinking about how his final acts were to be a literal shield over her body, and how he fell from her arm as he died. I don’t have the scans, but it reminded me of how Guts and Casca always compare themselves to swords. A sword and shield go mighty well together.
Lmao right? It really puts it into perspective when you realize the Golden Age was less than 100 chapters and we’re on 354 now.
Yeah that really sums up the Golden Age in a nutshell lol. And Judeau’s thoughts at the end do include, “I missed my chance to say it,” which fits.
tbh good call with the sword/shield imagery. Like yeah he does literally use himself as a human shield against that one weird apostle, and then Casca leaps up and kills it with her sword. I could def see that being purposeful. Also like… Judeau is Casca’s last real human interaction with someone before she’s driven insane. I’d love to see that acknowledged when she wakes up tbh.
You found the image I was talking about! I already put it on the post itself, but the way he fell off her arm reminds me of how shields are worn on the arm and get dropped when they’re broken!
This chapter was pure badassery on so many levels. I really hate that basically every female character is subjected to assault tho. All of them. (Sadly, I guess it’s not so different from the world we live in.)
On a GriffGuts note, I wonder if the reason Guts focuses so much on casca’s assault is because it drives home for him what Griffith has become. Griffith being his singular focus and all.
Whereas in the last chapter that got released, Casca’s memories encapsulate the whole Eclipse.
Yeah it’s genuinely fantastic, badass and touching and emotional and then it ends… like that
tbh ia. It’s like the way Guts wasn’t angry at Griffith, just sad and regretful, even while all his friends were dying and he was being attacked by a hoard of monsters, up until the rape scene. In a way it makes sense for Guts to focus on that since it’s like, the source of his violent rage that keeps him going and keeps him wanting to kill Griffith/Femto, as opposed to the rest of the Eclipse which is probably more a source of guilt (”was I the one who drove you…?”)
the beast of darkness pretty much suggests that this is why Guts was keeping Casca with him, basically so he could brood. (As did Miura in one interview :/)
Idk I wish it wasn’t so utterly manpain-y, with Guts being so focused on something that didn’t even happen to him, to the detriment of the person it actually did happen to, just so he can stay angry. You’d think his missing arm would be enough of a reminder. But it is what it is, and at least it’s not really portrayed in a positive light I guess.
Ye, the manpain is rlly intense. Muira basically fridged her and Farnesca is my only solace. And the hope that she gets badass again and bitchslaps N.Griffith and Guts tbh.
Personally the way I read it is that Guts put Griffith above acts like that, and what he did to Casca is a display of how corrupted Femto is compared to HIS Griffith. Guts would have gladly given an arm for Griffith under any circumstances, but to see him attack Casca was unthinkable from original Griffith in Guts’ mind.
I definitely don’t agree with the fact that it happened in the narrative, and even less with how she was treated as a character afterwards. (I feel like I’d be more ok with her insanity if the assault had been left out.) But considering I don’t buy the idea that Guts and Casca were “meant to be together”, my only conclusion in terms of Guts’ character is that it demonstrated how far the Godhand had perverted the man he loved. I’m really crossing my fingers that the upcoming chapters don’t focus too much on that part of her narrative.
yeah pretty much agreed on all counts.
While Guts accepted that Griffith made the sacrifice and even seemed to understand to an extent, raping Casca was like a harsh dividing line, and I’m sure that was the whole point from a writing perspective. Griffith saved her from rape, Femto destroys her through it, contrasts, yadda yadda yadda.
tbh it’s very telling that while Guts’ feelings towards Femto/NeoGriff are “tainted” by his love for human Griffith – eg still wanting his attention, still can’t stand to be looked down on by him, forgets his urge to kill when NGriff sheds the evil exoskeleton, acts like he got dumped when NGriff flies away on Zodd, etc – his feelings towards human Griffith haven’t changed. He doesn’t think back on him and hate him, he only feels longing/regret/loneliness/guilt/love/friendship/etc when he thinks of him.
Like it really does seem to show that Guts hates Femto/NGriff because he’s not his Griffith. When he reminds him of his Griffith, ie, when NeoGriff shows up, he suddenly finds it a lot harder to hate him.
Yeah I think his heart was in the right place, it seems like he genuinely just wanted what was best for everyone even if his methods were a little… underhanded and dishonest. Like towards the end eg, he probably thought Griffith would be better off with him and his thieves than with Guts and Casca as well as vice versa (and if Guts and Casca stayed together while taking care of Griffith he might’ve even been right, bc lbr that would’ve been a shitshow lol.) He’s likeable, and fun, and he has some great moments, like telling Guts he’s sure he’ll find what he’s looking for with the Hawks. Ngl his death scene always makes me cry lol, I do def like him overall, in part because he makes mistakes too.
Also I wonder if there isn’t a subtle indication from Miura that Judeau and Casca should’ve gotten together instead of Guts and Casca, and it’s its own little sub-tragedy based on stupid self-esteem issues that they didn’t. The way during the Eclipse Judeau does his best to save her and defends her with his own life while Guts is up on the hand still trying to “save” Griffith lol feels kind of starkly telling. I don’t ship them myself, I like their friendship and I kind of wish Judeau hadn’t had a crush the whole time lol, but it fits into the whole missed opportunity vibe of the Golden Age.
It is kind of a shame that the Golden Age side characters got way less backstory and development than the current RPG group, but the current group has so much more time. Like 200+ chapters vs 70. I did love the little enriching hints we got about the Hawks though, like Judeau feeling inadequate as a jack of all trades, the hints that Corkus is bitter about his own lost dreams. I’d say ‘etc’ but actually that’s about it really. Wish we got more on Pippin too.
Holy moly, what have we even been doing for the last 200+ chapters?? As much as I love the rpg group, nothing beats the original Hawks for me.
I definitely think that the Golden Age was all about people missing what was right in front of them, and losing their chances, or screwing them up on purpose. I mean, it can’t just be Guts and Griffith in this crapsack world that do it.
You mentioned how during the eclipse Guts was focusing of Griffith while Judeau was focused on Casca. Got me thinking about how his final acts were to be a literal shield over her body, and how he fell from her arm as he died. I don’t have the scans, but it reminded me of how Guts and Casca always compare themselves to swords. A sword and shield go mighty well together.
Lmao right? It really puts it into perspective when you realize the Golden Age was less than 100 chapters and we’re on 354 now.
Yeah that really sums up the Golden Age in a nutshell lol. And Judeau’s thoughts at the end do include, “I missed my chance to say it,” which fits.
tbh good call with the sword/shield imagery. Like yeah he does literally use himself as a human shield against that one weird apostle, and then Casca leaps up and kills it with her sword. I could def see that being purposeful. Also like… Judeau is Casca’s last real human interaction with someone before she’s driven insane. I’d love to see that acknowledged when she wakes up tbh.
You found the image I was talking about! I already put it on the post itself, but the way he fell off her arm reminds me of how shields are worn on the arm and get dropped when they’re broken!
This chapter was pure badassery on so many levels. I really hate that basically every female character is subjected to assault tho. All of them. (Sadly, I guess it’s not so different from the world we live in.)
On a GriffGuts note, I wonder if the reason Guts focuses so much on casca’s assault is because it drives home for him what Griffith has become. Griffith being his singular focus and all.
Whereas in the last chapter that got released, Casca’s memories encapsulate the whole Eclipse.
Yeah it’s genuinely fantastic, badass and touching and emotional and then it ends… like that
tbh ia. It’s like the way Guts wasn’t angry at Griffith, just sad and regretful, even while all his friends were dying and he was being attacked by a hoard of monsters, up until the rape scene. In a way it makes sense for Guts to focus on that since it’s like, the source of his violent rage that keeps him going and keeps him wanting to kill Griffith/Femto, as opposed to the rest of the Eclipse which is probably more a source of guilt (”was I the one who drove you…?”)
the beast of darkness pretty much suggests that this is why Guts was keeping Casca with him, basically so he could brood. (As did Miura in one interview :/)
Idk I wish it wasn’t so utterly manpain-y, with Guts being so focused on something that didn’t even happen to him, to the detriment of the person it actually did happen to, just so he can stay angry. You’d think his missing arm would be enough of a reminder. But it is what it is, and at least it’s not really portrayed in a positive light I guess.
Ah, you found the scan I was talking about before! Shields are worn or held on the arm! The way he fell off her reminds me so much of someone dropping a shield when it breaks.
oh here’s another one that might actually be a better illustration:
Lol u guys got me wanting playlist links someday XD
lol well I made this jokey griffith one a little while ago, but it hardly counts. maybe I’ll make a more serious playlist at some point, but all my music is on my harddrive instead of idk whatever streaming sites people use these days so it’d just be youtube links.
also i 2nd this i’d also enjoy playlist from @princess-of-peachtrees, or anyone else who likes putting them together for that matter
also since i just re-read this chapter, can I say
i fucking love casca and the way this scene/chapter ends is the most insulting thing I have ever read in my life
Yeah I think his heart was in the right place, it seems like he genuinely just wanted what was best for everyone even if his methods were a little… underhanded and dishonest. Like towards the end eg, he probably thought Griffith would be better off with him and his thieves than with Guts and Casca as well as vice versa (and if Guts and Casca stayed together while taking care of Griffith he might’ve even been right, bc lbr that would’ve been a shitshow lol.) He’s likeable, and fun, and he has some great moments, like telling Guts he’s sure he’ll find what he’s looking for with the Hawks. Ngl his death scene always makes me cry lol, I do def like him overall, in part because he makes mistakes too.
Also I wonder if there isn’t a subtle indication from Miura that Judeau and Casca should’ve gotten together instead of Guts and Casca, and it’s its own little sub-tragedy based on stupid self-esteem issues that they didn’t. The way during the Eclipse Judeau does his best to save her and defends her with his own life while Guts is up on the hand still trying to “save” Griffith lol feels kind of starkly telling. I don’t ship them myself, I like their friendship and I kind of wish Judeau hadn’t had a crush the whole time lol, but it fits into the whole missed opportunity vibe of the Golden Age.
It is kind of a shame that the Golden Age side characters got way less backstory and development than the current RPG group, but the current group has so much more time. Like 200+ chapters vs 70. I did love the little enriching hints we got about the Hawks though, like Judeau feeling inadequate as a jack of all trades, the hints that Corkus is bitter about his own lost dreams. I’d say ‘etc’ but actually that’s about it really. Wish we got more on Pippin too.
Holy moly, what have we even been doing for the last 200+ chapters?? As much as I love the rpg group, nothing beats the original Hawks for me.
I definitely think that the Golden Age was all about people missing what was right in front of them, and losing their chances, or screwing them up on purpose. I mean, it can’t just be Guts and Griffith in this crapsack world that do it.
You mentioned how during the eclipse Guts was focusing of Griffith while Judeau was focused on Casca. Got me thinking about how his final acts were to be a literal shield over her body, and how he fell from her arm as he died. I don’t have the scans, but it reminded me of how Guts and Casca always compare themselves to swords. A sword and shield go mighty well together.
Lmao right? It really puts it into perspective when you realize the Golden Age was less than 100 chapters and we’re on 354 now.
Yeah that really sums up the Golden Age in a nutshell lol. And Judeau’s thoughts at the end do include, “I missed my chance to say it,” which fits.
tbh good call with the sword/shield imagery. Like yeah he does literally use himself as a human shield against that one weird apostle, and then Casca leaps up and kills it with her sword. I could def see that being purposeful. Also like… Judeau is Casca’s last real human interaction with someone before she’s driven insane. I’d love to see that acknowledged when she wakes up tbh.
Ooh yeah this is v post-Eclipse. lol I totally missed the my chemical romance boat so this is new to me but I kinda like it and the lyrics are perfect, ty!
Yeah I think his heart was in the right place, it seems like he genuinely just wanted what was best for everyone even if his methods were a little… underhanded and dishonest. Like towards the end eg, he probably thought Griffith would be better off with him and his thieves than with Guts and Casca as well as vice versa (and if Guts and Casca stayed together while taking care of Griffith he might’ve even been right, bc lbr that would’ve been a shitshow lol.) He’s likeable, and fun, and he has some great moments, like telling Guts he’s sure he’ll find what he’s looking for with the Hawks. Ngl his death scene always makes me cry lol, I do def like him overall, in part because he makes mistakes too.
Also I wonder if there isn’t a subtle indication from Miura that Judeau and Casca should’ve gotten together instead of Guts and Casca, and it’s its own little sub-tragedy based on stupid self-esteem issues that they didn’t. The way during the Eclipse Judeau does his best to save her and defends her with his own life while Guts is up on the hand still trying to “save” Griffith lol feels kind of starkly telling. I don’t ship them myself, I like their friendship and I kind of wish Judeau hadn’t had a crush the whole time lol, but it fits into the whole missed opportunity vibe of the Golden Age.
It is kind of a shame that the Golden Age side characters got way less backstory and development than the current RPG group, but the current group has so much more time. Like 200+ chapters vs 70. I did love the little enriching hints we got about the Hawks though, like Judeau feeling inadequate as a jack of all trades, the hints that Corkus is bitter about his own lost dreams. I’d say ‘etc’ but actually that’s about it really. Wish we got more on Pippin too.
yeah like i don’t wanna discredit that anons opinion but it’s literally just the appearance that is similar, personality wise oscar and griffith are vastly different. they both have an androgynous look, homoerotic/downright almost canonically gay relationships central to their characters, and seem to subvert conventional gender roles (tho oscar does this quite a lot more) but other than that they’re really nothing alike. oscar is objectively a much much much better person than griffith lol
yeah this makes sense. I’d heard that Griffith was based on Oscar from other people too but I didn’t know myself whether that was just character design or like, everything about them. also ty this only makes me want to read rov more lol.
now i can’t stop looking for hands on shoulders but these are devastating ‘cause griffith is tiny
the fact that griffith is accepting guts’ comforting touch thoooooo
like there’s no special attention drawn to these panels or guts’ hand, but considering the emphasis on touches, particularly shoulder touches, i don’t think it’s an accident
same in the dungeon, with more emphasis:
resisting Guts’ comforting hand on his shoulder – his own vulnerability to his feelings for Guts – because Guts abandoned him, that vulnerability is why he’s been tortured for a year
immediately switching to acceptance when Guts expresses his feelings for Griffith in turn
Griffith lets himself love Guts even with all the vulnerability that brings, until he’s lead to believe it’s one sided and he’s about to be abandoned again
it’s because he’s weak and he couldn’t resist it if he tried
idk he couldn’t strangle guts but that didn’t stop him from placing his hand on his throat.
like the panels you posted aren’t exactly spotlighted as meaningful but if we were meant to see that Griffith was uncomfortable in Guts’ arms we’d probably see it in his expression or in some action. the fact that it’s so casual and matter-of-fact and not a moment of discomfort feels telling to me i guess.
ia that if griffith could resist he might (tho he pointedly didn’t resist the shoulder touch in Tombstone of Flame so idk) but if so then i’d say he’s using his own weakness as a convenient excuse to accept Guts’ comfort.
oh i was mostly just trying to be funny and basically saying that when guts gives him the slightest bit of attention griffith becomes unable to resist again because he’s so damn in love
oh lmao, yeah that went over my head. oh well i guess taking things seriously is a good excuse to write another three paragraphs about my griffguts feelings.
im pretty sure miura said griffiths design was inspired by her. so not his actual character, just his appearance. rose of versailles doesn’t seem to have ties with berserk even half as much as devilman, though, and go nagai was listed as a huge inspiration for miura, but either way i guess it’s worth noting that both those works are pretty gay (which i doubt is a coincidence if they inspired berserk lol)
ty for the additional info!
also lol yeah the list of gay shit that inspired Miura is surprisingly (or not so surprisingly lbr) long. he’s also referenced guin saga and kaze to ki no uta as inspirations. and yeah it’s so clear the influence ryokira had on griffguts.
now i can’t stop looking for hands on shoulders but these are devastating ‘cause griffith is tiny
the fact that griffith is accepting guts’ comforting touch thoooooo
like there’s no special attention drawn to these panels or guts’ hand, but considering the emphasis on touches, particularly shoulder touches, i don’t think it’s an accident
same in the dungeon, with more emphasis:
resisting Guts’ comforting hand on his shoulder – his own vulnerability to his feelings for Guts – because Guts abandoned him, that vulnerability is why he’s been tortured for a year
immediately switching to acceptance when Guts expresses his feelings for Griffith in turn
Griffith lets himself love Guts even with all the vulnerability that brings, until he’s lead to believe it’s one sided and he’s about to be abandoned again
it’s because he’s weak and he couldn’t resist it if he tried
idk he couldn’t strangle guts but that didn’t stop him from placing his hand on his throat.
like the panels you posted aren’t exactly spotlighted as meaningful but if we were meant to see that Griffith was uncomfortable in Guts’ arms we’d probably see it in his expression or in some action. the fact that it’s so casual and matter-of-fact and not a moment of discomfort feels telling to me i guess.
ia that if griffith could resist he might (tho he pointedly didn’t resist the shoulder touch in Tombstone of Flame so idk) but if so then i’d say he’s using his own weakness as a convenient excuse to accept Guts’ comfort.
my overanalytical brain that sees meaning everywhere even when it’s a big stretch: patches of light surrounded by darkness for casca and charlotte’s side of the panel, a la isolation, indicating that they are on the outside looking in while guts and griffith (and judeau but who cares) are against the lit wall.
now i can’t stop looking for hands on shoulders but these are devastating ‘cause griffith is tiny
the fact that griffith is accepting guts’ comforting touch thoooooo
like there’s no special attention drawn to these panels or guts’ hand, but considering the emphasis on touches, particularly shoulder touches, i don’t think it’s an accident
same in the dungeon, with more emphasis:
resisting Guts’ comforting hand on his shoulder – his own vulnerability to his feelings for Guts – because Guts abandoned him, that vulnerability is why he’s been tortured for a year
immediately switching to acceptance when Guts expresses his feelings for Griffith in turn
Griffith lets himself love Guts even with all the vulnerability that brings, until he’s lead to believe it’s one sided and he’s about to be abandoned again
lol I honestly can’t speak on this because I haven’t read or seen Rose of Versailles yet, though I plan to soon (it’s open in a tab as we speak lol).
But idk if it’s true that Griffith is directly inspired by/based on Oscar, and that’s not just a common assumption based on similar appearances and Miura being partly inspired by Rose of Versailles in general, then yeesh, I’d probably add that to the long list of reasons the Eclipse rape was bad and offensive writing.
yeah i like the idea of judeau but let’s be real the problem is he should be gay and instead he’s … you know. anyway he’s dead and we have rickert now so yay
het shipper judeau – dead gay denier corkus – dead gay shipper rickert – alive and well
glad to see the gay agenda going strong in berserk
that makes perfect sense. he has low self-esteem so he projects his feelings onto guts and kinda living the relationship vicariously.. i don’t think this was in any way good because he completely disregarded both guts and casca’s feelings tbh (and griffith’s). guts did the same thing, like you said, but i don’t think he did that to such a detrimental degree iirc. i still don’t see why cishets love him so much tbh. thanks for the detailed reply!
lol i’ll take any excuse to go on and on about something, ty for your reply + giving me an opening 🙂
Yeah I have a lot of mixed feelings about Judeau. I’m still fond of him and I kind of like that he fits the “tertiary friend who gives the protag wise advice” slot except that a lot of his advice is terrible and makes things worse because he has his own issues too. it gives him a nice little bit of dimension. But lol I still resent him a bit for being the resident het cheerleader, and he’s far from the super good bro who gives great advice that a lot of Berserk fandom treats him as.
still wondering what’s judeau’s agenda tbh. like did he want guts to take casca away for her to be safe? this is completely true tho and one of the reasons why i dislike judeau is that he’s a gtsca shipper lol
There’s that hint before he dies that he’s in love with her, and there’s an indication that he has like… self-worth issues lol, with his “if I couldn’t be the best I’d fly in the wake of someone who was” reasoning for following Griffith, and comparing himself to Guts negatively when they were running from monsters in the Eclipse. I think it’s basically Judeau thinking he isn’t good enough for Casca and Guts would be, and seeing how hard leading the Hawks while they’re being hunted has been on her and wanting her to get away from that responsibility.
Which tbh is another indication that gtsca was a misguided mistake from the start, since Judeau’s reasoning for arranging their hookup in the first place is stupid and based on low self esteem.
There’s also shades of a parallel between Judeau trying to get Guts and Casca together and Guts trying to get Casca and Griffith together, and I will personally argue forever that Guts throwing Casca at Griffith was because he didn’t feel like he was good enough for Griffith, rather than not good enough for Casca. I mean, that is his entire reasoning behind his decision making at that point in the story, after all.
Thinking he’ll be worthy of Casca when he’s Griffith’s equal is a random quick aside spurred on by Judeau right before he leaves and imo framed as though Casca being in love with him would be a sign that he’s made it as Griffith’s friend and equal, rather than wanting to be Griffith’s friend and equal to get with Casca lol, which has never been a factor.
griffith thinks he’s cruel for letting someone – guts – in and hence dragging him through the dirt with him; guts thinks he’s cruel for /only/ letting guts in… i don’t have a conclusion but hmmmm
that’s a really good observation tbh
my guess is that it highlights how much they see what griffith is doing as dirty? guts like, let’s be honest, doesn’t really at all. griffith asks him to kill a man and he’s like pshh just order me like you always do 😉 hey why don’t you tell the rest of our pals about this?? meanwhile griffith thinks he’s a filthy monster
Yeah it shows how non judgemental Guts is about it, and that he expects everyone else to be similarly non-judgemental. Maybe indicates that Guts thinks Griffith is only keeping them in the dark for… convenience or whatever, and subtly shows that he doesn’t realize it’s because of shame. Griffith explains afterwards, sort of, in his prevaricating way (”they need only feel as though they’re rising up”). Idk but it’s another sign of the gulf of misunderstanding between them for sure.
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