griffith rehearsing his “join me in my utopian world plz I’m really over being enemies and I miss you” speech on the way to Elfhelm to confront Guts, walks into Guts’ tree house guest room mid-fuck, aaaaaand… I can’t make this end in a threesome lol.
w/ neogriffith as instigator you get that sexy hedonistic monsterfucking atmosphere to help things along, plus Guts potentially having already gotten to “fuck it I have nothing to lose” mode. here I’m p sure this would either lead to someone getting killed, or maybe another, angsty, bitter conversation that comprises the most awkward few minutes of Serpico’s already exceptionally awkward life.
like, Serpico sees him in the doorway, is like, wow finally met someone really hot on Skellig, hey Guts we’ve got a guest let’s invite him in wink wink. Guts turns to look and is like, “Griffith?!” and Serpico’s like, oh of course it’s the fated nemesis destroyer of worlds guy, idk what else I expected after getting involved with Guts.
(tho i don’t think NGriff is really Serpico’s type, but he’s pretty objectively hot and he’s definitely Guts’ type so I still say Serpico’s brain could immediately leap to threesome potential.)
ON THE OTHER HAND what if this was a golden age AU?
Serpico comes to Midland with Farnese and the Holy Iron Chain Knights, maybe in an attempt to unite kingdoms under the holy see to fight ganeshka’s giant army beginning to move west or whatever. Guts is still there because he hasn’t overheard the Promrose Hall speech, but he and Griffith aren’t fucking yet.
Serpico and Guts instantly dislike each other but lbr they’re both each others’ type and they both respect each others’ abilities too once they get to know each other more, and they end up working together quite a bit because Guts is nobility now and a high ranking captain in Midland’s royal army, so they get a sort of mild rivals -> lovers relationship arc.
Then Griffith walks in on them.
So Guts and Griffith still have an intense borderline romantic relationship full of barely repressed mutual pining, Guts getting together with Serpico has maybe been his wake-up call that he would also want more with Griffith, but at the same time he wouldn’t want to ruin their friendship lol and Griffith has his political het marriage so he’s kind of unattainable so he’s happy with Serpico. And now Griffith has to suddenly confront the fact that he wants to be in Serpico’s place.
So Griffith turns around to flee the immediate awkwardness and his own feelings, and Guts is like, shit better follow him and make sure he’s not freaked out by the fact that we’re hooking up, and… one thing leads to another, they end up making out against a wall, Guts wakes up after a few minutes and is like, damn I just abandoned Serpico mid-sex, I’d better go apologize, and Griffith is like, I’ll come with you.
But uh, more sensual and sexy and emotionally intimate. During sex Serpico realizes emphatically that he’s the third wheel but his apathy makes it easy for him to shrug and move on with only a little melancholy disappointment.
sorry lol, literally all of these are going to end in exclusive griffguts because I just can’t ot3 them. Serpico will find a good handsome soldier bf who prioritizes him afterwards tho.
lol yeah I love that that’s the first thing Guts leaps to as a response. Hey I’ve seen this guy naked, like, a lot, and he’s absolutely perfect. ly human.
ok I’ve watched a clip now and I see exactly what you mean lol. completely agree, that whole vibe would work perfectly. destruction + the love song + identity issues + the hands + the sense of futility… like, nice. and I’m immediately adding the song to my berserk playlist.
Unfortunately I haven’t seen it so I don’t really know what you mean exactly. I just read the wikipedia plot summary, but I’m not sure which elements of the ending you’re referring to, or if it’s a detail that might not even be mentioned in the summary.
But if you want to clarify, or if someone else wants to jump in and agree disagree if they know what you’re referring to specifically, plz do.
lol i feel like this is the hardest possible guts/griff/apostle configuration to make work. Unlike Zodd who wouldn’t care that much about being a third wheel, Locus seems pretty personally devoted to Griffith. Like I think I once chose Locus as the apostle most likely to hate Guts lol, I could just see him getting super jealous and uptight while pretending it’s nothing deeper than the fact that he doesn’t trust Guts.
Like he’s got both Guts and Griffith’s all encompassing ridiculously intense past relationship to contend with AND the fact that they are/were mortal enemies and Guts probably still wants to kill Griffith on some level, I feel like that’s a double whammy of things that would make Locus hate Guts.
(I mean I’m kind of making up the idea that he’d be the jealous type, but idk based on some details like his outrage when Rickert slapped Griffith, the way he, as a knight, didn’t find a lord he wanted to serve until Griffith which makes me figure he’d be extra loyal and devoted once he does join Griffith, his wistfulness about apostles having a place in Falconia, etc, yk on an emotional level he seems pretty invested in Griffith. Add a sexual relationship to that and I could see him being jealous.)
and again I guess in like a scenario where NGriff and Locus are already having sex and Guts walks in and gets a chance to join in and takes it because he’s kind of past the point of self denial, I could see it happening. but man I think the atmosphere in that room would be painfully awkward and tense lol. A lot of both of them pretending the other isn’t there except occasionally to glare at him when their hands accidentally brush.
Berserk is great in that almost no character is decidedly “good” or “bad” and that really messes with the status quo and expectations
yeah ia, Miura’s pretty good at giving his characters interesting, understandable, and morally grey layers, and it’s pretty much why I like Berserk.
the moral greys are especially a good touch in a story where people can literally transform into monstrous representations of themselves lol, it seems like it would be so easy to go full black and white, good and evil and I’m glad he hasn’t.
I also really liked their relationship tbh. I would’ve been happier about it if Casca hadn’t been secrely in love with him all along, but otoh that does add a metric ton of gay subtext thanks to the parallels so I can’t be too annoyed about that lol.
I talk about them quite a bit in this post (the first part is about their relationship in general, then it goes into the pre-eclipse stuff in more detail) if you’re interested in a more detailed take.
But yeah in general I think they have a pretty sweet relationship that’s kind of a sad missed opportunity, not for romance but for a more emotionally fulfilling friendship. I love how they’re both protective of each other, physically – like Casca stepping in front of Griffith, sword out, when they encounter Zodd, or like Griffith trying despite his complete inability to do something to help Casca when Wyald grabs her – and emotionally, with Casca trying to comfort Griffith in her flashback and Griffith stamping down his own feelings so he can be a strong comforting presence for Casca many times.
And overall I think they’re pretty dysfunctional lol but in an interesting and engaging way that shows they genuinely care about each other and just kind of suck as people. Yk like most relationships in Berserk.
(And yeah ia, that flashback is v touching and sad.)
This is of course all pre-eclipse, Femto is neither here nor there where their relationship is concerned lol.
nice tbh, I could see this as a purposeful parallel – marrying someone for political gain while being in love with someone else – or at least consider it p telling that the Golden Age is full of people being in love with people they theoretically shouldn’t be, whether that’s actually true or whether their feelings conflict with their goals or whether it’s their own issues and insecurity talking lol.
Guts and Griffith are surrounded by like, echoes of their relationship from various angles and I could see this as one of them.
I really don’t think Miura is taking the straightforward villain route with Griffith. He hasn’t been so far, what with framing him as the protagonist of his own story. He’s an antagonist to Guts, but yeah I don’t think villain is the word for him.
I’d classify Femto as a villain, tbf, but then I’d also classify the Beast of Darkness as a villain. I think that’s kind of the point of Berserk, that everyone has that dark villainous side and everyone has a heroic side, and some are more one than the other, whether they’re monsters or regular humans. And the key isn’t even to overcome that dark side, but to find a balance.
p much I think the conflict of Berserk is going to come down to the light vs the dark within the individual characters and within humanity as a whole, and NGriff as an individual is probably literally representative of humanity as a whole.
@madchen said: guts and zodd fighting devolving into
homoerotic sweaty wrestling and eventually grabbing each other’s dick
and griffith is like *kill bill sirens* it’s good
and nsfw but i feel like griffith would
get off on the idea of being like spit roasted but find it very
unappealing irl and guts would absolutely kill the other man in any
hypothetical situation lmao
lol strong agree w/ both comments. + i feel like griffith would have a lot of fantasies that would actually suck irl ngl. his imagination would be more extreme than he actually is. tho i guess this is technically neogriff so all bets are off and i kinda like the idea that he doesn’t have the same limits as human griff would. but agree wrt human griffith and i still think ngriff would just see zodd as a distraction when guts is in the picture lol so he still wouldn’t really be into it
@chaoticgaygriffith said:
no you should totally go into how the neo-hawks and guts would get along while fucking griffith
lmao now i’m gonna be thinking about this and mb next time the topic of apostle fucking comes up i’ll have something worth adding
this is actually extra funny because the original japanese summary for vol. 6 doesn’t mention charlotte at all and (apart from the boring “it’s the middle ages and there’s war” stuff) just says that 1) guts thought the band of the hawk and griffith himself could become his “place of belonging” (lol) and also that 2) guts had never experienced such trust and kindness before (.. but shit’s about to go down, ofc)
lol you know i’ve never actually read most of them, i always just skip past. tho i just checked out volume 6′s and yeah lol @ growing attraction between the king’s daughter and griffith. like it doesn’t really surprise me that the summaries are aimed at a straight dude demographic + emphasize the macho manly action/horror, but still, that’s p egregious.
but i gotta say, using the phrase ‘callow beauty’ to describe griffith is kinda interesting. i’m so used to seeing everything about him described as calculating and machiavellian that it’s almost refreshing to see a summary of part of berserk that paints griffith as earnest and naive lol, even if it’s completely inaccurate.
also i kind of assumed they’re translated from the japanese covers instead of dark horse writing their own summaries but maybe they are straight from dark horse if they’re including like lotr references lol. or maybe it’s just creative license with translating.
my first thought was an au where guts is scott pilgrim, and i resent that bc i hated that movie lol.
all right tho the monster orgy vibe is good and if guts like, walked in on that i’d be all for him just joining in and taking his opportunity to fuck griffith. one of those, yeah okay this might as well happen kind of things.
tho i’m actually picturing this with nameless like, tentacle monster apostles rather than the hawk squad bc the named apostles have too much personality lol, if i start thinking about them i’ll just overthink this and start wondering how they’d get along with guts in a group sex context and it will be ridic.
so like now i’m feeling this as more of a slightly disturbing backdrop for guts/neogriffith. yk like mainly griffguts, but with some hr giger monsters getting in on it for atmosphere.
but if you have any ideas for how that encounter – guts + griffith + some or all of the apostle generals – would go i’m all ears.
not to overuse old simpsons as a point of reference but i’m sideshow bob and every quote here is a rake
lol while i was reading those volume summaries i was thinking that i might understand general berserk fandom if they like, just read the covers and never bothered to read the actual manga inside. this is some strong evidence for that theory.
(also lmao if those are legit word for word quotes bc “casca, his woman” combined with “casca, the woman griffith wanted to possess” is hilarious)
now i’m just going through and reading all the volume summaries and wooooow they are so bad lmao this is incredible
they read like they’re written by marge simpson trying to sound cool
also i’m in awe at how they can’t write the word ‘casca’ without attaching ‘his former lover’ to it
like damn every single cover lol.
“we promise you this is a heterosexual story potential readers, pinkie swear. you might not be able to tell from the story itself, but take our word for it, guts totally fucked a woman once.”
now i’m just going through and reading all the volume summaries and wooooow they are so bad lmao this is incredible
they read like they’re written by marge simpson trying to sound cool
lol you know i’ve never actually read most of them, i always just skip past. tho i just checked out volume 6′s and yeah lol @ growing attraction between the king’s daughter and griffith. like it doesn’t really surprise me that the summaries are aimed at a straight dude demographic + emphasize the macho manly action/horror, but still, that’s p egregious.
but i gotta say, using the phrase ‘callow beauty’ to describe griffith is kinda interesting. i’m so used to seeing everything about him described as calculating and machiavellian that it’s almost refreshing to see a summary of part of berserk that paints griffith as earnest and naive lol, even if it’s completely inaccurate.
also i kind of assumed they’re translated from the japanese covers instead of dark horse writing their own summaries but maybe they are straight from dark horse if they’re including like lotr references lol. or maybe it’s just creative license with translating.
lmao honestly I have a lot of ships that I can imagine being into threesomes but griffguts is not one of them, I think zodd would get murdered. like guts would fight him to the death before letting him touch griffith. and griffith would rather watch guts fight someone over him than get double teamed anyway.
like guts/ngriff/zodd = guts and zodd fighting while griffith jerks off imho
whether this is literal canon or modern au lol.
tho to be more fun if there is a scenario in which this happens – say guts is in falconia for whatever reasons, whether he’s straight up lost control of his life and gone beast of darkness and murdered all his friends and decided to join griffith or whether it’s part of a larger plan or something, and ngriff and zodd are already fucking on the regular and guts walks in on them or something and ngriff is like, ‘care to join us ;)’ – guts would start by immediately trying to compete with zodd over who can fuck him better.
zodd would win objectively but lbr he’d still end up so intensely third wheeled he’d get up and make himself a sandwich. and griffith probably orchestrated this scenario just to get guts to fuck him anyway.
tho also one more concept i can throw out, guts and zodd fighting/competing over griffith could turn sexual between them. i mean it would be a disservice to their canon interactions to ignore that there’s some chemistry there lmao
in which case griffith would immediately regret everything, kick zodd out, and give guts the most intense lay of his life.
also ia zodd’s asymmetrical one horn look does kind of bug me lol.
“In this darkness not a single ray of light can find its way through to me. How long have I been lying here in this darkness? For an eternity? At times it feels like just a moment…I feel nothing…it’s as if my body is floating in space. Am I preserving my sanity? Or has it already been lost long ago? And yet in this world, like a hollow shell, one thing is clear in my mind…Him alone. Like lightning splitting through the darkness Heappears in my mind so vividly. Over and over again like the waves of a tsunami. Hatred, friendship, jealousy, frustration, helplessness, love, sadness, hunger. They all come together into a giant vortex. They keep my consciousness from fading away. Guts, the cause of my confinement in this darkness will now be the source of my life! This man whose life was once in my hands… At what time did I fall under his control? And now in my mind I see him radiating so brightly it pierces my eyes. Guts!”
i don’t know how popular this idea is, but i think i genuinely like charlotte lol. she’s … sweet. she has potential. she’s timid but can be very brave. and i didn’t intend for this to become an ‘in defense of charlotte’ post but i suppose it is, it got a lot longer than i intended.
she’s witnessed griffith get shot, slapped by her uncle, slapped by rickert, poisoned at a ball, orchestrated his rescue (i wonder if griffith knows this tbh), loved him and wasn’t repelled even when he was reduced to a withered husk (to me this reads as her love for him wasn’t superficial), and stayed loyal to him for years … and after everything, she’s one of the few people that still truly cares for his well-being, the only human he’s still in (amicable) contact with and a holdover from the golden age.
she likes him as a person, doesn’t idealize him, and she’s seen him at his lowest … (even if her fondness for him is a bit flowery, when she’s young especially). the only other person i can credit with these rare conditions is/was guts. idk that’s pretty significant imo.
i mean yes, of course there’s plenty of knight-in-shining-armor naivety involved, but still. she’s good, she’s gentle with him. i think he appreciates it. she respects him, and he appreciates that too. he knows she has nothing to truly gain from being with him, ergo … i think he feels like he can trust her (even though she’s obviously just a goalpost initially … but maybe like guts, her role evolves in griffith’s mind too. people we are made to believe are mere tools to griffith becoming important to him? idk maybe there’s something to this, maybe not).
i don’t endorse them as a “couple” per se, because i definitely believe griffith is gay as hell, and initially just needs her to achieve his goals. but … i think she symbolizes, at least a little bit to griffith, that maybe he is worthwhile to someone, outside of the idealized griffith. that’s saying a lot for a person with incredibly deep-seated self-loathing and worthlessness issues.
furthermore, i believe he likes her as a person, both in golden age and as ngriff (as much as he can like a person given the circumstances, and we still aren’t entirely clear on those circumstances). it’s significant though. he likes her because she’s not trying to take something from him, physically or symbolically, regardless of what role she actually represents to him. he’s a smart man with good instinct regarding people’s intentions, not recognizing her strengths would be direly remiss on his part imo, and highly unlikely.
she’s got a lot of strength honestly, and it’s sad that she’s seen as pretty weak and a character to be pitied, or worse, hollow or dumb. she’s gentle, but not weak, and she finds real strength in a crisis. that might be her strongest asset … especially since she’s SEEN some shit now, and she’s a little older. and speaking to her strengths, she lives through some horrifying shit from her father especially (here’s some points about her shitty dad i screen-shotted from wiki);
it’s interesting how each retelling of berserk loses more and more detailed and important story, and by interesting i mean it’s fucking bullshit. god, how droll. yes, by all means, dismantle griffith’s character and motivations further, as if his nature isn’t opaque enough already to most fans, even with all information we are privy to fully-intact. given griffith’s top-billing role in berserk and miura’s penchant for holding out on his deepest feelings until it’s too late … i wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t get full griffith until the very, very end. if he even gives a shit about griffith anymore lmao (and i’m definitely not laughing any ass off here i assure you).
anyhow back to charlotte … i actually think i’m rooting for her, but i’d never given this any serious thought until now. i know there are theories about her getting killed and griffith not caring etc., i could see it but i don’t think that’ll be how it goes down. i’d love for her to at least once find real power in her position, and maybe even outshine griffith (in the people’s eyes) with her genuine kindness as a ruler. there’s gotta be a part of her that wants to outdo her shitty family with her own goals, and i don’t want to believe that her singular goal is a flat “griffith” (in contrast to guts honestly lmao). but it may just be that. maybe she’s content, but i hope not. i’m hoping she’s a more relevant character than we’re led to believe. she has huge potential as a ruler, she just needs a reason to rise to the occasion.
there’s also a lot of rebellion tied in her steadfast loyalty to griffith. just the act of being with griffith is a huge blatant fuck you to her shitty family. not only did her parents and uncle fucking loathe him, all 3 of them tried to have him killed at different junctions. her uncle smacks him (and guts has a big reaction, much like his big reaction to griffith being shot–she’s seen how much guts cared for him [and casca too for that matter]). i can’t help but wonder what charlotte’s gonna think when she inevitably sees guts and casca again … i don’t think they’ve seen her since the rescue. she probably assumes they’re dead. it’s interesting to think about in any case … and who knows, maybe she will act as some sort of mediator or unifying force against a greater evil? there are endless possibilities, but everything i imagine feels like it’d take more time to come to fruition than miura has left on this earth. UGH.
The best conflict is not Good vs. Evil, but rather Good vs. Good or Evil vs. Evil.
this is a good way of putting it tbh, and i def agree
with the caveat that my ideal conflict is [good vs evil] vs [good vs evil] ie 2 people struggling with their own inner darknesses/humanity while they’re in conflict with each other, and who complement/complete each other/pull each other towards the middle
mostly bc it describes a surprising amount of my favourite ships + character dynamics lol
Also I think we’re meant to like them which I find v interesting and hopeful lol. Like from Raksas who is a huge dick but also very entertaining and fun to Grunbeld who has a whole backstory novel in which he’s 100% sympathetic protagonist from everything I’ve heard about it, they’re made to be likeable characters. Which is great because it makes it less likely we’re headed for some kind of boring Guts’ side vs Griffith’s side, Good vs Evil story lol.
Not that I’m too worried about any conflict between them being framed as simplistically as good vs evil, but still.
My ideal plotline is probably Guts’ side and Griffith’s side teaming up against a greater antagonist, like those few chapters where Guts rode Zodd into battle against Ganeshka writ large, and the fact that Griffith’s side of the story isn’t framed as evil or even antagonistic but as protagonists of their own narrative makes that seem more possible.
Failing that, just like I love Guts getting monstrous without literally becoming a monster I love seeing apostles that are sympathetic and humane. Moreso than say, Rosine who is sympathetic but also yk, pretty damn fucked up regardless, apostles like eg Locus are just chill. Locus is like a famous knight who apparently exorcised his apostle bloodlusty urges by competing in tournaments before he joined Griffith, and since joining Griffith has been pretty dedicated to fostering peace between humans and between humans and apostles. Give or take possibly sending Raksas after Rickert (or possibly not, we don’t know yet) he hasn’t done a single negative thing that we know of. Same with Irvine, who seems to hunt animals, rather than people, and Grunbeld who has the aforementioned novel where he’s p much portrayed as heroic as far as I can tell, and Zodd who is compared to Guts the most when it comes to the whole man vs monster thing.
So yk even if they do ultimately end up fighting Guts, I feel like it’s not going to be a simple conflict where we’re meant to root for one side or the other. Tonally the fact that there’s a conflict at all would probably be depicted as negative.
as an aside, imo the biggest argument against that hope tbh is the new fast travel system which feels like nothing but set up for an eventual attack on Elfhelm, but yk what, I’ve also been arguing that Eflhelm is going to end up being manipulative assholes, so maybe it’ll all work out in my favour anyway. Like maybe they’ll show up just as the readers suddenly realize we want someone to kick Elfhelm’s ass.
Like Miura has talked about writing Griffith as a protagonist of his own story, and you don’t spend a hundred chapters on a narrative that follows those protagonist/heroic story beats just to suddenly make them evil no good antagonists again lol.
I feel like Guts and Griffith’s stories are going to end up being basically morally equivalent from different angles. Man vs inner monster; monster vs inner man lol. Human volition, monstrous strength, yadda yadda yadda.
Like this is one of the strongest themes of the story lol, one brief scene where they team up cannot be the sole payoff, come on. Especially when it’s Guts and Griffith in conflict, rather than Guts and Zodd who don’t have that whole history of being ridiculously in love with each other.
Anyway like, the two sides don’t necessarily need to team up again, but conflict between Guts and Griffith’s narratives falls soundly on the monster side and it’s gonna be depicted as such, and therefore negative. like guts will be consumed by the armour when that happens and he’ll probably have killed or will kill one or more of his friends as well, that kind of negative.
When it comes to Charlotte though, I really have no idea lol. If I have any guess at all, it’s that she’s probably not going to do anything particularly significant. Like, thematically she’s got nothing going on that I can think of, she’s just kind of there being in love with Griffith and enabling his power grab, so I can’t really theorize about how she’ll fit into any future conflict.
I know a lot of people want her to learn about Femto/the Eclipse in the hopes that the rose coloured glasses break, because in a way i think she’s kind of representative of buying Griffith’s perfect image, but I doubt it. Even if she does like, see him transform into Femto or something lol, even if all of Falconia sees it, I don’t think it’ll change anything. They’ve seen him lead an army of monsters and speculated about whether he’s even human already, showing off a black outfit and bat wings is probably not going to make or break anything for him relationship or publicity-wise at this point.
I guess my biggest hope wrt Charlotte is just that she’ll get some screen time acting in some capacity as a leader. She’s got some inner strength at least, as we saw like, during the Griffith rescue mission a million years ago, let’s see her use it in some way as queen.
tbh I actually love it in the Black Swordsman arc bc I don’t think it was meant to be anything particularly significant, like, plot-wise (tho lmao i wish, but it’s probably only a coincidence that it looked kind of like a fetus lol)
I think it was just supposed to be a recurring demon that represents like, the self destructiveness and futility of Guts’ revenge rampage. like a proto beast of darkness but instead of being scary and cool it’s just sad and pathetic. the twisted remains of yourself after you’ve been consumed by revenge.
which i say mainly because of that one image where guts sees it with vargas’ face. but also if you re-read its early appearances with that in mind it fits very nicely with the rest of the black swordsman arc’s themes and the way it unnerves guts more than anything else he sees, and the way it appears when he’s feeling self-doubt and fear of failure, makes a lot of sense.
also his chapter 2 nightmare where it chases him works super well with that in mind. This nightmare is later echoed by his chapter 13 nightmare where it’s a monstrous representation of donovan chasing him, which is echoed again after Guts kills Adonis and sees himself as that monster. It’s very neatly cyclical – chronologically, it goes Guts’ own personal monster followed by Guts’ fear of becoming a monster followed by Guts well on his way to becoming that monster. And I just love that the fetus thing isn’t a cool monster, it’s just pathetic, which is perfect in the Black Swordsman arc where Guts is paralleled to Vargas.
relatedly it’s really off-putting to re-read the scenes where it appears after miura retconned it into being his weird demon kid lol. Totally fucks up that interpretation. Like you can maybe read it as a reminder of Guts abandoning Casca/his repressed guilt over it, but I have no idea how that’s supposed to work with the nightmare, or the direct comparison to Vargas, etc.
Maybe it still kind of works as a symbol of Guts becoming a monster in that the fetus is is all demony because it was corrupted by Femto or w/e, but like… considering all its later appearances are helpful and protective rather than sinister, it really doesn’t work for me. It’s a big mess.
This is the quality shit we come here for! ��❤️ Neo-Griff offering his body to the beast of darkness as an apology or self destructive thing is also very human Griffith of him and would definitely be a sign his heart isn’t as frozen as he’d like it to be.
ty! and ooh yeah i love the idea of there being a self-destructive/self-harming aspect deep down to ngriff mb angling more for fucking than fighting in a confrontation w/ beast of darkness guts. also maybe an element of avoiding having to kill guts too. and also wanting the d. honestly ngriff letting guts fuck him is the most in character thing he could do l b r.
also lmao @ you and @madchen both coming to the same conclusion. i’ll cosign beast of darkness fucking femto/ngriff from behind.
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