jyuanka
replied to your post “ok actually on this subject i’ve been thinking about this recently and…”

(not exactly related but): it’s serpico who calls farnese cute when guts is captured.

ty! I didn’t see this in the dark horse version, but there serpico does call her “charming” to guts, which which guts also echoes sarcastically later (”charming huh?” or smthn like that) when he’s watching farnese do her self flagellation thing. So maybe that got turned into cute in a scanlation.

seisans
replied to your post “(½)Was thinking in a canon au if Griff and Guts actually did confess…”

js if guts and griffith made out griffith would freak out not just about his dream but also about the fact that guts might have just been drunk or had a little lapse of judgment and would regret it in the morning & leave

this is an extremely good point

man there are so many ways for griffith to be a complete mess about this lol. i feel like guts would be the relatively chill one.

griff-guts
replied to your post “ok actually on this subject i’ve been thinking about this recently and…”

as far as i remember guts only ever explicitly comments on appearance/beauty when it comes to griffith (save for those two casca instances already mentioned)

ty for the second opinion!

Yeah like tbf there aren’t a whole pile of examples of Guts commenting on Griffith’s looks either, but he’s also got “bet that’s the first time that pretty face’s ever been hit,” lol. “The more dazzling he is in my eyes” is kind of a grey area since that’s not so much about looks but yk. Dude def waxes poetic about him a lot.

@prettykitten123 said:
But when you think
about it Griffith is the most beautiful person in ths entire manga, abd
looks aside he is also the most intelligent and the most ambitious. Guts
already set the bar too high by falling for Griffith first. Everyone
else just looks like pebbles on the road in comparison to Griffith XD 

lmao true, once you fall for the dude who’s so beautiful it’s an important thematic plot point, you’re kinda screwed.

ok actually on this subject i’ve been thinking about this recently and i have a question for everyone who may know:

has guts ever described a woman as attractive in any way – pretty, beautiful, hot, sexy, etc?

I’ve got him reassuring casca that she looks “pretty good” when she’s fretting about her dress at the ball. I’ve also got him saying she’ll distract him “looking like that” ie with her clothes torn up, during the wyald fight, and those are the only examples I can think of.

I saw someone say once that he called Farnese cute at one point, but I re-read the chapters where he first encounters her and couldn’t find it, so if it’s somewhere else ihni where to look, and I’m wondering if it might be a scanlation thing. But someone point me in the right direction if that rings a bell plz.

Anyway I re-read a bunch of hetero scenes and found nothing, so my basic point if no one corrects me is that Griffith wins when it comes to Guts’ thoughts on people’s looks, with his “at that time he shone before me as beautiful” line lol.

prettykitten123
replied to your post “prettykitten123
replied to your post “chaoticgaygriffith:

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I think Griffith is gay, even though I feel like he doesn’t know it(maybe after a while he came to realize it, especially after Guts left him) as for Guts his sexuality is a mystery to me. I know he definitely likes men(even though he probably definitely doesnt understand that or acknowledge it) attraction to women is debatable.
The way I see it we
cant really pinpoint what Guts’ sexuality is or his thoughts on women.
Griffith was the first to give Guts something that he never had and I
feel like his affection for Griffith is dominantly based on this. No one
else in the manga, both men and women, have yet to give Guts what
Griffith gave him thus why no one has yet to win over his affections.

ia tbh

for me I think Griffith is variable, like i could see him being either super repressed about being gay thanks to a) his dream revolving around marrying a woman and b) gennon being the only textually gay dude in berserk (thx miura) and griffith being taken advantage of at probably the age where he’d be just starting to realize he had feelings of attraction to men, like, that seems extremely likely to fuck him up.

But I could also see him accepting that he’s attracted to men – I mean he reads a lot, he seems fairly worldly, maybe gennon isn’t his only exposure to same-sex attraction, etc – but also not thinking it’s important because it’s incompatible with his dream.

Either way though I definitely can’t see him as anything but gay.

Wrt Guts I see him as gay too. He could be bi easily enough, but it’s just so easy for me to see his short-lived relationship with Casca as repression at work lol. Like saying she was the only person who could touch him back in the day, which was textually because she’s a woman (and also wrong bc Griffith also could) feels really suggestive of this to me. And of course the way their relationship screams rebound from their feelings for Griffith for both of them. And post eclipse, the only times he thinks of Casca sexually are when Griffith is also somehow involved, a la

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And of course the entire Beast of Darkness debacle.

But yeah sexualities aside, since I mean it still could go either way from gay to bi, so w/e, that’s a really good point about Griffith being the only person in the manga who’s given Guts what he’s so desperately wanted – ie affection and attention and respect from someone Guts respects. It’s Griffith who he wants to look at him. Not Casca, not any of his rpg group or any of the other Hawks, just Griffith. It’s Griffith whose respect he feels like he needs to earn, no one else’s. It’s Griffith who he needs to feel equal to, no one else. It’s Griffith who he’s been obsessed with, no one else.

It’s why their relationship is still so extra lol, it’s shown as singular in the story, whether Miura meant that to be sexual or not.

So yeah idk, good comment basically, I just wanted to ramble on the subject lol.

prettykitten123
replied to your post “(½)Was thinking in a canon au if Griff and Guts actually did confess…”

This was the best lol. You’ve just made an outline to a high quality fanfiction my friend. I do like the idea of Griffith overcompensating and ends up causing a setback for the Hawks and himself. I feel like even when they do become a couple things would still be a bit awkward but in a cute way, this is their first relationship.

lol ty, feel free to steal it (this goes for anyone haha).

well i mean tbf it’s anon’s idea anyway so maybe i shouldn’t say that. Anon, you should write it!

and yeah ia. cute awkwardness would fit them really well. they’re both disasters but yk that doesn’t necessarily have to mean life-ruining, it could be cute too in an au.

(1/2)Was thinking in a canon au if Griff and Guts actually did confess to each other or accidentally find out about each other’s feelings(which is more likely) they would end up becoming sooo awkward around each other, they wouldn’t really know what to do or act around each other for A while. And everyone in the band of hawks are gonna wonder why they’re acting weird around each other or not hanging out with each other as often as usual. Casca would be the only one to know what’s going on.

(2/2) I actually see Casca being the one giving them the helpful push
they need since those two idiots won’t do it themselves. Like she would
be hurt and upset at first but being that she loves Griffith and always
puts his happiness and desires before her own and plus she cares about
his mental health, she would do what she’s to do to help him get what he
wants. In this case getting Guts to break the ice with Griffith. 

Ooh I could really easily see this tbh.

I mean like, think of say an AU where Guts never heard the Promrose Hall speech, but still ended up falling off a cliff with Casca and asking her what her deal is. Casca tells him the same story, complete with talking about how jealous she is of him and it’s almost as if… as if…

except without the memory of the speech getting in the way Guts actually gets it.

And then awkwardness ensues for a while and Griffith is maybe hurt by Guts’ sudden shift in attitude (maybe Guts is avoiding him bc he’s trying to sort his own feelings out) and now that Casca and Guts have bonded a little she gets pissed off at him for accidentally acting like a dick and they talk and Guts has a revelation during their conversation. Or something. Yk, a mild version of what she tells him in canon, without the stabbing.

Or maybe for a somewhat angstier, more drawn out version, Guts and Griffith end up making out at some point for whatever reason (impulsive thank god you’re alive kiss, drunk, intimate late night talk and it just happens, whatever) but afterwards Griffith freaks out because he has a life plan and his life plan doesn’t include falling in love with Guts but if he acknowledges his attraction to him he can’t deny the rest of his feelings anymore and the sudden realization of how intense his feelings are throws him for a loop and he tells Guts it was a mistake, he has a princess to seduce and a kingdom to attain, yadda yadda yadda.

And then Griffith overcompensates. Takes a stupid irrational risk(s) to win the war/achieve the dream. Maybe it works out, maybe it’s a setback, maybe plot things ensue. Things are weird and awkward between him and Guts and everyone can see it, some of them connect the dots between that and how Griffith’s been acting lately, and finally Casca’s like, okay what the fuck, if someone doesn’t fix this we’re all screwed, and rolls up her sleeves.

lol idk why I’m throwing plot outlines out in response to this ask lol, but idk it’s a good concept that feels like something that would happen in canon, feels good feels organic.

I mean in canon Casca’s role veers from griffguts commentator/attempted facilitator to emotional/physical bridge between them, and l b r here the former role is by far kinder and less horrible to her. Let her do her perceptive thing and help them get together, and then she maintain good platonic friendships with them, grow on her own, then get a girlfriend.

win/win.

also ngl I love the trope where everyone in the immediate circle can see something’s going on between the awkward not-couple. which is another thing berserk has in canon to an extent and another reason I love it and this scenario works so well lol.

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i know i’ve talked about this before lol but i s2g every time i remember this moment i’m even more taken aback by how fucking… jaw-droppingly suggestive it is

judeau, the dude whose sole goal in the latter half of the golden age is getting guts and casca together, telling rickert to shut up about how much griffith loves guts right before he overtly shoves guts at casca, starting on the very next page when judeau changes the subject to her leadership

like there is absolutely no reason for that panel to be there; rickert could’ve stopped talking of his own volition, guts could’ve had his moment, and the subject could’ve naturally changed to casca. you could remove it and change nothing else and everyone still makes sense in this scene, the dialogue still works, etc etc.

what it tells us is that judeau is being manipulative here, that he has an agenda in hooking guts and casca up (not that that’s subtle), and, the actual hugely interesting part, it means judeau has to avoid conversation about griffith’s feelings so guts and casca will get together – ie
guts and casca can only connect in the absence of griffith.

this is followed through of course when they both brood over him afterwards, and in how their sex scene is framed as a rebound for both of them through parallels to significant moments they each had with griffith, and in how their relationship such as it it starts to fall apart when they rescue griffith and eventually come to accept that he needs to be taken care of, and in how post-eclipse guts abandons her to pursue femto/griffith for 2-3 years, and in how he’s able to stick with casca after ngriff “deserts” him, and how he’s “come this far by letting go of his obsession with him,” etc etc

and mb even more interestingly, it also means that they can only connect when guts falsely believes griffith doesn’t feel strong irrational life-destroying feelings for him. hence judeau telling rickert to shut up while rickert is telling guts a game-changing truth. guts knowing how griffith feels about him is incompatible with his relationship with casca.

hence guts denying any feelings of guilt and regret when casca stabs him and putting it out of his mind when they fuck, until those feelings start creeping back during the rescue mission

AND hence guts moping and walking away with casca in tow when neogriffith flies off on zodd after telling guts he’s “free” from his feelings for him – only finally choosing to stay with her instead of pursuing revenge after ngriff deserts him.

so once again it comes back to this question:

what happens if guts finds out neogriffith’s heart isn’t frozen after all?

mastermistressofdesire
replied to your post “please extrapolate on griffith being a sub and why lmao?”

@marley-manson Yeah I mean the whole reversal of expected personality dynamics in bed is kind of a thing I feel for. And also though Griffith wields a lot of power over people his attitude towards it is very functional like he’s chill with it because it gets the job done. It’s very much a part of his professional commitment. So I wouldn’t think he’d carry over with that in private times?

I’m too lazy to c/p everything you said rn but yeah I get what you’re saying and totally agree. Like, I don’t think it’s always the case that people who are assertive and/or wield power in day to day life want to submit in relationships lol, but for some people it is and Griffith just reads like one of them to me. And yeah love that role reversal.

and like ngl I’m kind of the exact opposite which is probably partly why I’m into the role reversal thing in fiction, like I’m generally super easy going and chill and have zero desire for responsibility in day to day life, but I like to be in control in bed, so. it’s def a thing sometimes lol.

the plot of berserk was based on sonnet 26

Lord of my love, to whom in vassalage
Thy merit hath my duty strongly knit,
To thee I send this written ambassage,
To witness duty, not to show my wit.
Duty so great, which wit so poor as mine
May make seem bare, in wanting words to show it,
But that I hope some good conceit of thine
In thy soul’s thought, all naked, will bestow it:
Till whatsoever star that guides my moving,
Points on me graciously with fair aspect,
And puts apparel on my tattered loving,
To show me worthy of thy sweet respect:
  Then may I dare to boast how I do love thee,
  Till then not show my head where thou may’st prove me.

prettykitten123
replied to your post “Is Berserk still doing the ‘the power of friendship’ theme? I stopped…”

@bthump I feel like the Berserk from the 90s and the Berserk now are two different stories. Idk maybe Miura is doing this because the ‘power of friendship’ theme is so popular in anime but that’s usually a trope found in shounen not really seinen comics. But Idk maybe he is just doing this just so he could rip our hearts open again like before or maybe he doesn’t berserk to be as dark as it used to.

Yeah who knows, like it’s definitely way lighter now. It’s still violent ofc, but the violence is so much less personal, the characters are much healthier, etc.

I guess I think we’re probably not going to stay this light forever, there’s been plenty of ominous foreshadowing and I’ve been saying for ages that Guts needs to go full Beast of Darkness for a while or everything w/ the armour and his evil alter ego is pointless, plus I think Elfhelm is going to end up being sinister and not Guts’ allies, but I don’t think we’re ever going to go back to Lost Children or Black Swordsman arcs style dark. After 200 chapters of Guts internalizing some life lessons and chilling out I’m sure that’s not going to be just wiped away.

Also while I’m responding to replies I might as well hit a couple more of your replies on other topics

I really hope the
final battle between them would be a mixture of both, an epic battle
filled to the brim with intense emotions and tension. In all honesty I
dont want either of them to die but Idk I feel like one of them would
die. Im inclined to say Griffith would probably but a part of me feels
like Miura might throw a curve ball and kill Guts.

Yeah I could see either Guts or Griffith dying, or both. tbh what I hope is that if there is an epic guts v griff battle the actual volume long fight scene or w/e lol goes to Guts vs Zodd, and maybe whatever allies Guts has vs apostles and stuff, and after the dust settles we get the intimate and emotional griffguts confrontation.

Idk I feel like Guts vs Griffith being an epic physical battle would be distracting and kind of out of place. Gimme a 3rd duel with like, one strike a la the 2nd duel, that is entirely predicated on their emotions.

I have a thought, if eclipse never
happened and Griffith became king and entered a secret relationship with
Guts. I wonder how long it would take for Charlotte to start to notice.
I feel like everyone else would have a feeling but Charolette since she
lives in her own dream world when it comes to Griffith.

lol yeah I could definitely see Charlotte being the last to know. Esp bc I don’t think Guts and Griffith would be all that great at hiding it lol. Oh well she can eventually find out, be miserable for a while, and then start her own affair with Anna.

Is Berserk still doing the ‘the power of friendship’ theme? I stopped reading around the Falconia Arc. Its like, I like that Guts has friends again and everything isnt so hopeless anymore but this is Berserk. As much as I love the characters, and a part of me doesnt want anything bad to happen to them, I’m still waiting for something fucked up to happen.

chaoticgaygriffith:

bthump:

Some mild spoilers below fyi, but short answer, yes imo, and ngl I hope something fucked up happens lol. I also like the characters but Guts’ story has been too happy recently with super low stakes and it’s been so boring to me.

But yeah it’s been leaning pretty heavy on ppl saying that the rpg group’s journey together has been gr8 and worthwhile etc pretty recently and yeah I’d call it like the central ~thing~ going on rn lol. Schierke and Farnese putting Casca back together and using symbols of all their friends/relationships/histories etc as weapons in Casca’s mind, Farnese saying she thinks she can help Casca get over her trauma bc they bonded over the course of their journey, and Guts talking to Serpico and Roderick about how grateful he is that they’re with him, that kinda thing.

The real question is whether it’s talking the friendships up so the audience will be extra sad when tragedy ruins everything, or whether it’s set up for narrowly averted tragedy through the power of friendship. Or, what I think is probably most likely, some tragedy but also friendship saving everything from being completely horrible.

I like the friendship thing as long as it’s gay … Like, Farnese and Casca being each other’s support? I love it, please, more. Guts and Serpico bonding a little bit? Delicious. But all of them being like this big polyamorous yet platonic family who can get through anything with the power of friendship is just so … yawn ………….. I’m sorry I just really hate those kinds of themes and find them mind-numbingly boring

Oh yeah same, sometimes it’s the main highlight of the guts narrative lol, like serpico going from trying to kill guts again to jumping in front of a monster for him in one night, and everything farneseca ofc.

But like, what it kind of signifies for Guts’ arc is letting go of his ~obsession with griffith~ lol and if Miura’s pitting one thing against the other, friendship vs that obsession, man I’ll happily throw those friendships under the bus lol.

Also if g*tsca goes hand in hand with the rest of the rpg group bonding, which is not definite (could even be the opposite, ie his friendships are the only thing that prevents him from going super dark again if everything w/ casca goes south) but it’s something I worry about lol. It’s like you have revenge obsessed fucked up black swordsman guts on one side and chilled out family man protector-of-the-branded-girl guts on the other, and lbr I know what I’m about.

Now if there was some way to preserve those relationships to an extent, but darken them, and bury g*tsca while keeping some kind of farnesca, and have guts backslide back to obsession at least for a while… like give me everything miura, i’m greedy!

Is Berserk still doing the ‘the power of friendship’ theme? I stopped reading around the Falconia Arc. Its like, I like that Guts has friends again and everything isnt so hopeless anymore but this is Berserk. As much as I love the characters, and a part of me doesnt want anything bad to happen to them, I’m still waiting for something fucked up to happen.

Some mild spoilers below fyi, but short answer, yes imo, and ngl I hope something fucked up happens lol. I also like the characters but Guts’ story has been too happy recently with super low stakes and it’s been so boring to me.

But yeah it’s been leaning pretty heavy on ppl saying that the rpg group’s journey together has been gr8 and worthwhile etc pretty recently and yeah I’d call it like the central ~thing~ going on rn lol. Schierke and Farnese putting Casca back together and using symbols of all their friends/relationships/histories etc as weapons in Casca’s mind, Farnese saying she thinks she can help Casca get over her trauma bc they bonded over the course of their journey, and Guts talking to Serpico and Roderick about how grateful he is that they’re with him, that kinda thing.

The real question is whether it’s talking the friendships up so the audience will be extra sad when tragedy ruins everything, or whether it’s set up for narrowly averted tragedy through the power of friendship. Or, what I think is probably most likely, some tragedy but also friendship saving everything from being completely horrible.

When I first killed a man, I was still a kid who didn’t know right from left. I haven’t learned anything off the battlefield since then – and I haven’t tried to learn. Killing to survive… there was nothing else I could do. That was everything.

But… it was all right. If one person… anyone… had looked my way…

But wandering the battlefields made me realize… that wouldn’t do me any good in tryin’ to survive. It was just somethin’ of a childish complaint.

Even so… incidentally… I found someone I really wanted… to have look at me.

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freewilllife:

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ninjabelle:

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strangemonochromes:

Berserk (ベルセルク) // Kentaro Miura

ok anime aside, anyone know if there’s any proof that these are guts’ thoughts, like in the original japanese wording or smthn? because they read so griffith to me in phrasing, and also if these are guts’ lines then it kills a lot of my sympathy for him lol.

like kinda turns it from guts leaving without a word bc he didn’t think griffith would care, to guts leaving without a word despite knowing he was causing some amount of emotional damage, bc he’s thinking w/e griffith will get over it. like, surprise dude, he did not get over it. or, to be more cutting, he did in fact eventually stand up and start walking, and that was a bad time for everyone.

(on the other hand if i was adapting this and if it is genuinely ambiguous, i’d rly want to have both vas say these lines lol. i mean maybe it’s not completely a bad thing for guts to not be super sympathetic in his choice to leave. understandable, yes, but a mistake is a mistake and if guts gets these lines that’s just kind of underscoring it.)

honestly I never even doubted that these were 100% guts’ words, I mean now that you’re bringing it up I guess maybe they could be griffith’s (the like stumbling on a rock, a small thing part aka him lying to himself about how much it impacts him) but that makes zero sense to me considering in this very moment he’s just sitting there utterly defeated (like… even more so mentally than physically) so him internally monologuing this deeply feels really out of place. (i always considered him so completely shocked there everything else was just static to him. like he hears no sounds. doesn’t even feel the cold. can’t think. it’s just guts walking further and further away booooo) but you’re right about it killing a bit of the guts sympathy tho because yeah, why leave at all if you’re aware you’re already important enough to cause griff at least SOME form of pain. I mean isn’t that what he wanted all along like why willingly walk away if you’re semi-aware you already mean enough to someone to cause them a minor breakdown. (lol understatement of the century but then again guts at this point knew nothing of the true depth of griff’s feelings)

and this brings up another issue, if these are guts thoughts, and we then assume he was aware he was at least ‘a rock on griff’s road’ yet still left, can we then also safely assume that whatever he was aware of that griff felt for him, was not enough for him, like this whole scene always read to me as guts leaving because he wanted MORE (like yeah i know that’s the whole plot but hear me out) and steeling his resolve to go by winning back his freedom because his eventual return as griffith’s equal would magically undo the hurt and anger griff might’ve felt over guts breaking from his hold. like he had to at the very least know damn well that griffith valued him greatly as a captain and treated him different than the rest of the band, casca deadass tells him that and the only thing that stands in the way of him accepting it personally is his inferiority complex or whatever you wanna call it.

I know guts is a self-unaware idiot esp. in the golden age but cmon dude, he saw the way griff was sitting there stunned before him after that strike, he saw how he was completely shocked he’d lost the duel and thus his hold on guts. take into consideration guts’ own represses feelings for griff and you can imagine his heart must’ve ached at seeing griff so completely shook up.

BUT HE STILL WALKS OFF, monologues the above complete bs of an excuse to himself to justify why it is somehow okay for him to leave and become worthy of being griffith’s equal (that in any case, he already more than was but hnngg berserk is not a happy love story unfortunately)

Its actually good if that kills some of the sympathy because yes this is what inevitably kicked off all events that led to the eclipse and yes it was partly guts fault and YES he should feel very fuckin sorry.

and since the whole plot of berserk is in essence based on the weight of choice and how much of it is really your own or set in stone by fate this is a really good example of a really realllly reallllllly bad one with unimaginable consequences.

tldr; those have to be guts’ lines and yes its cool if you resent him alil for them lmao because this page is the arguably the worst moment in the entire manga cause it kicks off the end of all good things era.

It’s funny bc I just assumed they were Griffith’s words when I read it, since I didn’t remember the scene in the anime at all at the time, and imo it feels like something Griffith would think. Tho I do get your point about Griffith being beyond internally monologuing to himself, and idk I’m kind of torn… like I don’t rly disagree, he is absolutely emotionally fucked here lol, but the way I see Griffith, if there’s anything that would be running through his head at this moment it would be, “it’s fine it’s nbd idc at all it’s nothing” all the while kneeling frozen in the snow while the rest of the hawks there shuffle their feet and glance at each other awkwardly.

But I’m like, all about Griffith denying his feelings to himself so it’s an aspect of his character I mmmmay exaggerate a bit lmao.

But yeah wrt it being from Guts’ pov, I agree with everything you said, and like… yeah it rly does work. tbh I don’t think you’re wrong about anything there, there’s a lot of evidence that Guts at least knows Griffith has strong feelings for him and was devastated when he walked away. But omg I just… can’t handle that lmao.

Like, I need to see Guts as completely blinded by his inadequacy issues because otherwise I feel actual anger towards him and honestly I almost never get angry at fictional characters, I’m generally way more detached than that, so this is a very weird feeling lmao.

Like, it really does shift my attitude towards Guts leaving from seeing it as a
very innocent mistake since he never in a million years believed leaving would genuinely hurt griffith, to really actually
assigning him some serious blame bc he knew it would hurt griffith and
the only mistake there was miscalculating how much.

And like, that’s not just low self esteem, that’s callousness, and it’s callousness that resulted in my fave being tortured for a year and then deciding to become a monster so like, i guess that’s probably why it pisses me off lol. fuck you guts.

So tbh I still want to cling to things like Guts’ complete lack of understanding and denial when he comes back, during Casca’s tirade and his chat with Rickert, and in the tunnels on the way to rescue Griffith, etc, as evidence that Guts’ mistake was being genuinely blind to Griffith’s feelings towards him no matter how obvious they are bc of his low self esteem and inadequacy issues, rather than like, knowing Griffith cared to an extent but miscalculating how easily he’d get over it. And like, “this says to me I’m still worth spillin blood over in your eyes,” also kind of makes me hope that he thought Griffith only gaf about him as a soldier.

idk it’s a lot more palatable to me as another mistake in a big pile of golden age mistakes that no one can really be blamed for because they all have serious issues fucking them and their relationships up, alongside things like griffith failing to recognize his feelings and making his speech to charlotte, and casca running to grab griffith to stop guts from leaving, and both of them choosing to fight rather than talk, etc. And idk maybe if I was unbiased it would still feel like another one of those mistakes bc it’s not like Guts’ issues aren’t contributing lol, but idk it feels like Guts walking away goes above and beyond.

And agggh yeah like that moment is given an above and beyond treatment in Guts’ memories and related guilt issues, so that’s still perfectly reasonable… lmao it feels weird to be the one wanting to defend Guts when I was just saying that narratively everything is his fault and tbh I always feel like most of the fandom lets him off the hook way too much lol.

tl;dr I think you’re most likely right but that makes me feel negative feelings :((( and yeah ok those negative feelings fit the story but still :(((

What if Guts just meant that Griffith would survive the humiliation that he has lost or to be more precisisely lost a very strong soldier?

@chaoticgaygriffith said:
I’m on the “definitely assumed they were Guts’ words” train, and that’s
why I was so frustrated with him lol and wanted to see way more guilt
from him. But I think he thought the damage would be more like, you
know, Griffith losing a good soldier, instead of losing the man he loves
& the only person he can be vulnerable with. Let me check the
original Japanese though, just in case! 

(I’m combining these responses to avoid reblogging the same long post twice in a row lol.)

but yeah lol this… really makes a lot of sense and idk I think I’m blinded by feelings here bc I can’t believe I didn’t think of looking at it like this lmao.

tho now that you’ve suggested it i’m suddenly missing all the angst and guilt involved in @ninjabelle‘s interpretation l q l

tbh
i think i could go either way depending if i’m in the mood for angst or
if i want to feel sympathy for everyone lol, guts either walking away
thinking griffith will get over losing a fight and a soldier vs guts
walking away knowing griffith cares somewhat on a personal level but
thinking of that as just more evidence that he needs to leave because
those feelings mean he’s the guy who can eventually become his
friend/equal.