I’ve heard there are some similarities between Berserk and Captive prince. Can you tell me the similarities-you see in the book

bthump:

I only just started reading it so not yet, but sure when I finish the first one I’ll make a post and tag it anonymous for you. might not be for a while, I don’t read every day lol.

Tho I can say that so far the only similarity seems to be blond/brunet gay + political scheming in a made up historical kingdom lol, but again, I’m only a couple chapters in.

ok i finished captive prince so now I can answer this. sorry it took a while lol, I read v intermittently

(fairly unspoilery) verdict:

I
feel like Captive Prince is what you get if you read the manga or watch
the anime, completely adore Griffith, but wish that instead of being a
dark tragic horror story Berserk was all about gay fantasy-historical
politics.

And as someone who has absolutely read the manga, adored
Griffith, and wished that Berserk was all about gay fantasy-historical
politics, I really enjoyed Captive Prince lol.

Laurent is… pretty
close to Griffith imo. To the point where I predicted a few plot
points by thinking What Would Griffith Do. He’s Griffith in a very
different setting under very different circumstances, but like, if you
told me Captive Prince was a story about AU Griffith who grew up in a
much different environment, I’d be like, yeah the author gets him. Same sort of image that hides his actual feelings, denying his weaknesses, eventually only dropping the mask around his love interest, v manipulative + clever, cute childlike moments, multi-talented, that kinda thing lol.

Ofc the
author was inspired by multiple characters, and I’m sure a lot of
similarities I saw are just like, inevitable when you want to make an
ambitious dude who wants to run a kingdom sympathetic, but yk. It’s not exactly serial numbers filed off Berserk fanfic but it was
fun to read and compare them and catch a lot of similarities.

Damen
is, however, absolutely not Guts. They got a similar berserker fighting
style, and maybe a similarly simplistic + straightforward way of viewing the world, but otherwise, nah. Very different characters imo.

And
Damen/Laurent is not griffguts at all. There’s virtually nothing
griffguts-y about them imo. Part of the point of the story is to examine
Laurent as a character thru the eyes of someone who hates him, ie Damen
the pov character, so there’s a lot of really fun (and sad) dramatic
irony and I always love the unreliable narrator/close third person pov,
so it was gr8 and worked very well, but yk. No love at first sight. No
mutual pining, except maybe v subtly between the lines. It’s extreme
slow burn. Very much a solid two people slooooowly falling in love
story, enemies to lovers kind of thing. More realistic and down to earth
where griffguts is very larger than life and wildly intense.

The
funny thing is that while reading Captive Prince and comparing it to
Berserk, bc I was kind of primed to do so by conversations w/ you guys
lol, one difference kind of popped out at me: despite Captive Prince
being the textual gay love story, Berserk is… I don’t want to say
gayer, bc it’s obviously not, but it’s more focused on a relationship
between two dudes lol.

Like Captive Prince isn’t really about the
love story. It’s about Laurent vs The Villain. The love story
complements the plot very nicely and at the climax it plays an important
role, but the real plot of the story is a fucked up political chess
match between Laurent and the Regent as they vy for the throne. The love
story is complementary, it’s not incidental or minor, but it’s also not
the A plot. It’s a very solid B plot.

Whereas in Berserk,
Griffith and Guts’ relationship is the A plot. Captive Prince is a story
about political scheming featuring a great romance. Berserk is a story
about two dudes and their trainwreck of a relationship.

And
idk it was just kind of funny that while reading Captive Prince and
comparing it to Berserk that was my main takeaway. It kind of put into
sharp relief how thoroughly Berserk revolves around Griffith and Guts’
relationship, by demonstrating a very solid very good gay love story
that didn’t revolve around Damen and Laurent’s relationship lol.

Which
is not to downplay the romance, it’s a huge focus and extremely
satisfying imo. I’m just commenting on how like, Laurent and Damen are
largely motivated and driven by other things in their lives lol, the
things that drive the plot, rather than each other.

Anyway yeah
Captive Prince was p good, + if you like Berserk for the same reasons I like
it there are elements that will probably appeal (political scheming, sad backstory stuff, a lot of Laurent’s existence in general, dude who cares about people a lot more than he lets on, clever battle tactics, big buff brunet/thin nerdy but surprisingly skilled blond, etc) but it’s ultimately a v different story.

sobadpink

replied to your post

“seisans
replied to your post “adelth
replied to your post …”

Honestly I think Casca is going to be the only one of the three who will ultimately survive in the end. Griffith’s pure and wonderful kingdom is just /too good/ to last, and I think it will be Guts (our apparent “hero”) who will actually destroy that – and make the world a worse place for it, all in the name of revenge, which is always seen as cool and good in most other He-Man Manly fiction. In a way, it’ll be like both Guts and Griffith are destined to fail through “winning” what they’ve got
and I’ve seen too many
people say they want to see Guts and Casca kill Griffith and go off to
live happily ever after.. LOL. as if Guts’ entire history of not knowing
anything but fighting and killing is suddenly going to be “cured.”  The
guy is the literal embodiment of live-by-sword, die-by-sword, and he
will never stop. Griffith’s death will be tragic not so much for losing
him, but the world he has created for others.  Casca deserves to be
without their drama anyway lol

…totally agree that
the rape was cheap and a crappy stark way to make readers hate Griffith.
Like I understand why it’s there, but it was a very poor choice. I
preferred the ambiguity of grey morality with the entire sacrifice on
its own.  A more direct and personal “fuck you Guts” via Griffith
without raping Casca could’ve easily been switched with any number of
non-sexual acts

honestly this ending would be fantastic imo. i mean i fell in love with berserk when it was a tragedy about 2 dudes whose understandable and empathetic yet still fatal flaws ruined everything, and i want it to return to a tragedy about 2 dudes who continue to ruin everything bc they can’t overcome those flaws.

painting the destruction of falconia as a bad outcome because guts failed to find a better way to deal with his issues than sword swinging would work v well for me.

if miura needs a hopeful note he can have it with the children and maybe some of the other side characters, but i want guts and griffith to destroy themselves and each other again so bad and for that to be shown as a another tragedy.

thekeenbouquetcrown
replied to your post “I must say that 70% of the fandom of Nana and Beserk in terms of…”

Have not you read Nana manga? of what you miss my friend, I must say that I agree with the anon … it is one of the best drama Josei and especially the relationship between both Nana is fascinating and I think that in the end (if it comes back from the Hiatus) both stay together because they are soulmates after all and it is obvious that the story is exactly that, hell I would like many yuri couples to have that detail in their narrative

ty for the rec

i don’t usually get into slice of life stuff which is why i never checked it out after seeing the movie, but i do love strong intense relationships filled with gay subtext, and good character writing in general which it sounds like this is, so i’ll keep it in mind

seisans
replied to your post “adelth
replied to your post “sobadpink
replied to your post “When…”

i think it was probably meant as a shock value thing more than anything, like yes the idea was to feel the anger and betrayal guts was feeling, but imo it wasn’t meant to make us hate griffith the character as a whole from that point onward. because the way miura presents his story after the eclipse is very generous
like it was a shoking turning point that
was supposed to 1) give guts revenge motivation but also 2) really
drive home the ~morally ambiguous~ thing he’s trying to go with, which
might have been the worst fail ever because not only is rape generally
tied to pure evil villainy but also miura /kinda/ made that connection
too. i mean he was actually trying to make that “there’s evil in the
world bc everyone has a dark core” point

and also maybe
something about ultimate freedom (which is why it’s the apostles that
rape like almost every time) but he just failed so hard on that front bc
everyone saw the eclipse rape scene and was like, oh ok so we’re
supposed to hate griffith then. and instead of making their view of the
story more ambiguous and open, it made it completely black and white.
the literal opposite of what miura was imo going for

one thing that i think
the eclipse rape does do is drive home the hatred griffith felt for
guts when he was at his lowest, because those are the feelings that come
to surface when he’s stripped down to only his “evil core.” however the
counter-argument there is that it absolutely didn’t have to be rape,
like you mentioned in another post. it could have been torture or
whatever else. and i’m so pissed off that he went with rape in the end
bc it just cheapened everything

Hm yeah it’s meant to illustrate Femto as an entity made out of evil and Griffith’s inner darkness, make us hate him specifically and empathize with Guts’ desire for revenge. I def agree that it’s not meant to make us retroactively hate Griffith, it’s pretty clear that human Griffith is still meant to be very sympathetic and not Femto-lite or anything like that lmao, I mean look at how Guts remembers him.

NeoGriffith, idfk. It seems clear that we’re not meant to hate him, considering how he’s framed as the hero of his own story with his own loathsome antagonists and a cause we’re meant to generally consider good, and allies we’re meant to like, etc. But we’re probably still supposed to be wary of him, and uncertain about him? His whole thing is ambiguity. So idk, maybe Miura intended for it to be obvious that NGriff isn’t the exact same as Femto just like regular Griffith isn’t, so distancing the Eclipse rape from his narrative doesn’t feel awkward as fuck to him lol.

And yeah in addition to illustrating his evil it does illustrate his negative feelings towards Guts, also necessary, but yeah, choosing rape as that illustration was bad, and the particular way Miura went about it was even worse.

so ……… berserk is red pill vs blue pill 

not sure if this is a matrix ref or a reddit ref lol. both kinda make sense…

i’m hoping miura
doesn’t rush this. bc it’s still not entirely clear what he’s really
going for, and i’d kind of like it to be, by the end 

depends, if it’s gonna suck i just want the band aid ripped off, but if he’s going to surprise me and it’s gonna be good i want to savour it. and also yeah, understanding it would be nice too lmao, but I feel like that’ll be more clear after whatever happens w/ casca happens. that’s the make or break for me.

honestly the concept
of falconia is so sexy, starting with the ripped statues outside and
ending with its literally lusted after angelic beautiful leader like
come on. props to him, griffith haters need to give credit where credit
is due 

when one of your literal superpowers is magic sex appeal you don’t have to go the extra mile, but he did. what an icon

The duel between Guts and Griffith before Griffith slept with Charlotte made me think that if Griffith succeeded killing him that it would trigger the behelit at the spot.

I could see it, or at least I could see him feeling behelit-worthy despair. logistically killing the best sacrifice and being far away from the rest of the hawks might stymie that but emotionally yk, it’s solid.

tho tbh I think that a Griffith who killed Guts during the duel would be a really interesting character if he just like, kept going afterwards. Like I could see that being an action that fundamentally changes him similarly to the Eclipse but yk, in a mundane, realistic way. He wouldn’t turn into a monster, but he would stop wondering if he’s cruel and start fully thinking of himself as a monster. He wouldn’t become malicious but he would become extremely ruthless, cold, and pragmatic. No more friendly socializing with the Hawks, unless he has to to maintain loyalty. And it would take his plans from kingdom to empire, like he’d start a new war at the first opportunity.

like basically neogriffith I guess lol. and this is ofc assuming he doesn’t immediately do something stupid and get himself killed. also he’d probably be adjacent to an epic emotional breakdown at all times, and when it finally happens he’ll take his whole kingdom down with him.

Like yk if the sacrifice represents an action with permanent consequences that fundamentally changes you, this could be the literal version of that fantasy metaphor.

sorry lol I p much just took this ask and ran with it.

I must say that 70% of the fandom of Nana and Beserk in terms of “relationships” are very similar, because they refuse to accept that the main relationship and the engine of the series has much subtext homo of both N and H as with G and Gu the irony is that possibly these two have the best subtext in terms of yaoi and yuri respectively is one of the few times that can be said that is soulmates connection works as friends,lovers or platonic relationship without mentioning the tragic of both cases

When it comes to Nana I’ve only seen the first live action movie iirc, but yeah I shipped tf out of them and was immensely disappointed when I learned it wasn’t canon and there’s a lot of het romance lol. So this seems legit.

modern au guts likes kissing griffiths hands and fingers but especially his wedding band… he admires how it looks on griffs hand from afar all the time lmao

yesss totally. modern au griffguts would be a ridiculous married couple. they’d look at their rings constantly and carry pictures of each other around and introduce each other to like strangers in the line at the grocery store as “my husband.” and not just during the honeymoon phase.

(also guts being into griffith’s hands in general is good. like speaking of masculine aspects of griffith he could be into in regular non au berserk, strong hands/callouses from sword fighting maybe? like yeah he has small hands but swinging a sword still takes a toll)

adelth
replied to your post “You mentioned something before about Muria’s “shit writing sometimes”…”

Hi, I ended up here because you linked the post recently. So, about Charlotte. It’s not a thing I like or totally understand the cultural reasons for, but you see a lot of women/bottoms saying “no/don’t” in Japanese porn that’s framed as consensual. I gather it’s a “good girls always say no” thing? It’s still really uncomfortable and problematic, but the scene with Charlotte reads like it’s complying to an established (although ugly and misogynist) standard to me.
I agree about all the ways the trio’s
characters were gutted by the eclipse though. I don’t even really
disagree about Charlotte, I just think Miura was riding the wheel, not
inventing it.

Yeah I have like, a vague awareness of that as a cliche in Japanese porn/erotica, tho it crops up in more than its fair share of english media too, and I feel like that no means yes trope is an unfortunately p universal form of misogyny/rape culture. And yeah def agree that it’s what’s informing that scene.


Yeah, the backstories
were what made me hopeful that there was a more cohesive idea being
explored. Now I mostly hope he just leaves it alone and doesn’t go
there.

The book was was Blade of Tyshalle by Matthew Stover. It’s:
-the second book in a series
-a masterful culmination of themes explored in the first book
-maybe my favorite book ever?
-choke-full of things that should not work but do
-seriously dark and violent, but worth reading if you can stomach it

I looked it up and ngl the premise of that series sounds pretty intriguing. idk if I’ll check it out but it’s going on a list of books to maybe look into next time I’m bored, so ty.

And yeah ikwym, I feel like in a different story the Golden Age narrative culminating in Griffith transforming into a version of himself that embodies his inner darkness and that being shown through rape could’ve worked like, thematically. It just like, would’ve had to be different in almost every way lol. like about Casca’s trauma rather than Guts’, and half the narrative could not centre NGriff as a protagonist afterwards, and Casca should be a full character and have at least as much narrative significance as Guts, and the depiction would actually have to be tasteful and centred in Casca’s pov since the theme in question is trauma and the rapists throughout the Golden Age are all one dimensional caricatures – like they’re not the focus, the victims are.

But idk this is the mess we got, and I’m with you, at this point I’m just hoping Miura doesn’t make it worse.

adelth
replied to your post “adelth
replied to your post “sobadpink
replied to your post “When…”

Well, not like I can argue that sexual violence is handled well in Berserk. Tangential, but I once read a book where shit was a motif. Like, literally shit. And that sounds super gross but the author knew what he was doing and it served a very intentional literary purpose. I would have (quietly) been okay if Miura was doing something similar, but it really does seem like he just breaks out the rape card whenever he needs to up the stakes.

imo the really annoying thing about rape in berserk is that sometimes it actually is well done but most of the time it’s… just not lol. Like I think Guts and Griffith and Casca’s (with a few caveats) backstories all work really well, depicted in varying degrees of graphic but for the most part effectively so, they inform the characters and their current values and motivations, and thematically their backstories potentially inform like, the entire story.

Which imo just makes it worse that so much of the rape we see in Berserk is so badly done and gratuitous. Like as a theme I think it could’ve been strong and effective, and like, sometimes it is, but overall there’s way more bad than good. So yeah I p much completely agree with you.

and lol I’m kinda curious now, what book was that?

adelth
replied to your post “sobadpink
replied to your post “When do you think berserk will end?…”

I guess I’ve always assumed the Eclipse rape was there to give us a reason to hate Griffith. Like, in another setting committing murder would be “crossing the line” into villainy. In a story where all the dewy-eyed still-innocent major characters are also hired killers, escalation is bound to get awkward. Given how sympathetic Griffith’s storyline otherwise is, it feels like a effort to say “no really, this is supposed to be morally complicated, stop rooting for him.”

Yeah I don’t think you’re wrong about that. Though more than anything I think it’s meant to give Guts specifically a reason to hate him lol, because the way Miura wrote the sacrifice and Guts’ reaction to it

image

sacrificing him wasn’t nearly enough.

I mean personally I think the sacrifice could’ve still worked fine on its own if Guts had actually like, demonstrated some extreme feelings of betrayal, which I feel like he should’ve, because the sacrifice is meant to be an echo of his childhood trauma of being sold imo, and I feel like Miura kind of dropped that in favour of the more immediate shock value.

Like it wouldn’t’ve been enough to get me to hate him, but I’m kind of an exception lol, I feel like Guts expressing heartbreak and betrayal that echoes like, the scene where Gambino told him he sold him to Donovan, probably would’ve worked okay for most fans to make them at least very angry at Griffith/Femto.

Buuuuut you’re right that like, he is really sympathetic otherwise and Guts wanting to chase him down and kill him while he’s orchestrating world peace and ruling a utopia might make Guts seem less sympathetic without that visceral show of evil during the Eclipse to “justify” it. But then the Eclipse rape goes so far in the other direction that it completely fucks up the balance too. So idk.

I guess if I was writing it and I felt like the Eclipse needed something extra to prove that Femto is evil, which is fair since he’s supposed to be Griffith’s inner darkness with an additional boost of humanity’s evil in general, and you probably do want to demonstrate some of that, I’d opt for like, torture + maybe some magical mind torture or something if Casca needs to be driven insane, because that’s the kind of ott fantasy evil that none of the Berserk readership will have personally experienced. Rape as a gratuitous demonstration of evil has a whoooole lot of baggage that makes writing that character as a morally ambiguous antagonist later on extremely terrible imo.

Like idk I feel like rape as an establishing villain moment + future moral ambiguity is just wholly incompatible. And this isn’t even getting into the actual depiction of the rape scene which I consider to be just about as bad and offensive as possible.

tl;dr basically ia, I think the purpose was to immediately show how evil Femto is and make the readers and Guts hate him, and I mean it worked I guess lol, but I still think it was a bad decision and Miura should’ve done something else.

datonecutekid
replied to your post “Consider: vs It’s like the Conviction arc takes these super cynical…”

I think the point of gut’s changing his ideals and stating them against Mozgus is to show that he is on the path of becoming a less damaged human being. Even comparing his goals in the conviction arc to the blackswordsman arc, he started changing especially when he realized he wanted to regain casca as opposed to him wanting to hunt down neo griffith. I don’t think it’s inconsistent writing on mirua’s behalf but i think its supposed to show the beginning of gut’s growth.

Sorry, I think I wasn’t super clear because that post was kind of rambly and off-the-cuff lol, but my point is actually that it isn’t a change for Guts at all, it’s the exact same attitude – it’s just the narrative framing of that attitude has changed.

Guts saying the dude and his daughter were too weak to survive so they don’t matter is no different than Guts saying that the ten thousand refugees about to die deserve it because they’d rather bow down to a god than fight to survive or w/e

image

It’s just that now that’s shown to be badass rather than a fairly pathetic denial of guilt.

Consider:

image
image
image

vs

image
image
image

It’s like the Conviction arc takes these super cynical lines from Guts which, in the Black Swordsman arc, are clearly meant to show how fucked up he is and not something we’re meant to agree with, and pretties them up or makes them sound badass and legitimizes them.

I mean it’s even the same essential circumstances: Guts’ brand calls up spirits that kill innocent people. In the Black Swordsman arc Guts feels immense guilt and covers it up with cynical bravado. In the Conviction arc, Guts and Luca both blame the dead for failing to survive.

And idk if that’s a sign if we’re maybe supposed to take the themes of the Conviction arc with a grain of salt, or if Miura’s opinions just 180ed somewhere along the way.

Like do
people deserve to die for not being strong or resourceful enough to survive
against a force stronger than them or not, Miura?

In fairness this could very well be purposeful – showing like, both the negative side and the more palatable side of Guts’ survival of the fittest thing. Similar to how we get the positive side of Griffith’s utopia where the weak are protected from harm and exploitation (which come to think of it is also partly shown to us by Luca, hmm) and the negative side (it may be great but it’s the only peaceful place to live).

But also incidentally, if you’re on Guts’ side of this whole thing, yk you gotta be strong to survive and if you’re not it’s your own problem – you can’t really have an issue with Griffith filling the world with monsters lol. The world outside of Falconia right now pretty much illustrates Guts’ philosophy to a tee.

I could see this coming up again along those lines actually. Doesn’t someone actually say that now everyone has to deal with what Guts deals with, directly comparing brand-life to Fantasia? So there you go, you got Griffith’s world (Falconia) and you got Guts’ world (Fantasia), pick one.

When do you think berserk will end? In 5 years? 10? 50? 100?

I anticipate a thousand years on the boat on the trip back from Eflhelm.

lol but honestly idk, I feel like w/ Casca waking up and Falconia’s existence we’re moving into endgame, but the question is whether endgame is gonna be 2 volumes long or like, a third of the story. I could at least see it being over in 5 years or less, depending on hiatuses, but if I was betting I’d probably say 10 to be on the safe side lol.

Do you agree more with griffith’s “the end justifies the means” philosophy or with guts’ individualistic philosophy?

Sorry this took a while, I was way overthinking it at first lol and then I was busy yesterday.

But like, I’m figuring you’re basically referring to like, Griffith’s narrative raising the “Is it worth sacrificing your friends/filling the world with monsters to create a just society” question vs Guts’ narrative, especially circa the conviction arc, being more like, fuck whether other people are able to live in peace, everyone should be strong enough to survive an unjust world and if they’re not that’s their problem.

And I mean if we’re just talking moral philosophies behind those narratives then yeah I’m with Griffith, often it is worth doing some bad things for a greater good, sometimes the end does justify the means, and I’d rather work to create a society where the strong don’t prey on the weak than just try to make myself strong enough to avoid being preyed on.

In the example given specifically idk that I’d agree with filling the world w/ fantasy nightmares to make a chunk of it utopian lmao, but yk, Berserk likes to go to extremes.

how do you imagine guts and griffith’s first kiss and first time in current canon?

So, current canon as in post-Eclipse, Guts and NeoGriffith?

Honestly it’s hard to imagine in a believable in-character way. I’d say the best bet here is Guts going Beast of Darkness and NeoGriffith confronting him alone and enticing him to fuck him instead of fight him. I don’t think it would take much convincing to get Guts’ Beast of Darkness brain to switch gears that way lol.

Tho first kiss feels way more difficult to make work. Maybe if Guts snaps out of it in the heat of the moment, and just ends up clinging to Griffith and maybe kissing him desperately before remembering everything?

Idk I can see Guts/NeoGriffith working as more than one fucked up desperate encounter before one kills the other only if like… Guts has also gone full monster for a while and murdered his rpg group or w/e, and no longer feels worthy of hatred/revenge/judgment of Griffith’s own inner darkness. And ofc this is assuming NGriff has come to accept that he is not, in fact, over Guts lol.

Maybe also with a side of differentiating NGriff from Femto, the same way Guts is differentiated from the beast of darkness, despite the beast being a part of him. Two dudes who have magical inner monsters as power up forms, like sure, that works for me.

So maybe they get back together after all, both having been saints and demons, and then they can make out properly.

bedifear
replied to your post “Have you checked out G/oblin S/layer? I’ve seen it in the berserk tag…”

Female characters being infantilised (in terms of That Art Style) and sexualised simultaneously is literally so disturbing and I acc went ahead and read the first chapter of this bc I kept seeing posts that claimed that “you shouldn’t hate it if you haven’t read it :(” (even though that’s false too lmao you should be able to tell it’s Bad regardless) and it’s Bad ��
Berserk is problematic too but this feels worse
Also just a personal
take but the protagonist’s armour is too generic to be cool so…there
really aren’t any redeeming qualities huh

yeah ikwym. Like if people get something out of it beyond male power fantasy then w/e I’m not judging people who like it, but it really doesn’t seem to have anything to offer me. Berserk is extremely bad in some ways, but it’s also extremely good in some ways that rly appeal to me. If the same is tru for some fans of GS then good for them, but as for myself, meh. Also agreed wrt the armour lol. And yeah like I am viscerally pretty disturbed by that like… blobby moe art style, yk what I mean. Like if people can easily ignore it and enjoy the story regardless, again w/e, but it’s one of my biggest roadblocks into getting into a lot of manga/anime lol. Even w/ current Berserk, like if I’d read the most recent chapter first… I probably would not have continued w/ the story lol.

@morgiah said:


in april! i’ve read
everything i could find incl. some detailed summaries but not the full
novel yet.. i already love my four children from not-iceland

also wrt the second thing ohh very likely. that’d be, well.. significant. both good and bad 

ty for the specific month! and yeah lol. at any rate it could be interesting to consider.

@madchen said:


one griffith slowly rides guts while guts gets to suck the other off/eat him out 

Nice.

Have you checked out G/oblin S/layer? I’ve seen it in the berserk tag so I checked some pics online and imo it seems to me like gratuitous violence and the male power fantasy. Frankly, I’m hesitant to watch it

i’ve vaguely heard about it but only in that it’s about a dude who kills goblins which are basically rape monsters.

and now i’ve read the wikipedia entry and nothing i’ve seen makes it sound any better than that so i’ve got no plans to read or watch it lol. def agree that it just sounds like a male power fantasy

i can see how it might be similar to like, the worst aspects of berserk tho

Now you’ve made me want to read The Flame Dragon Knight novel, I need to know how much Grunbeld and this Edward guy are similar to Guts and Griffith

This is how I feel. It’s getting released in English like… eventually at least. Next spring iirc?

Idk I’ve heard lots of bits and pieces about it (largely from @morgiah who has read many excerpts I think, correct me if I’m wrong) and it sounds like it contains a lot of what I enjoyed about Golden Age Berserk ngl.

also relatedly

@morgiah said:

their family situations are also similar in many ways.. oof

edward is a pastiche of many ppl ok. even canonically locus is his hero and inspiration so he’d want to be like him, at least

iiinteresting tbh. I wonder if Locus at first reminds Grunbeld of Edward then, if he’d known about him previously just in the context of Edward admiring him.

bedifear
replied to your post “You claim to have completed the threesome series but I’m afraid you…”

Griffith getting all excited because oh boy now there are TWO (2) whole Guts to attentively bang him

this has suddenly reminded me about one of @madchen (i think)’s comments that i think I completely forgot to respond to a little while ago. something about how Griffith would p much only actually be into being spitroasted if it was Guts and also Guts. which is true and this is therefore the perfect scenario.

But then the question is, would he get jealous of himself if there are also 2 of him?

(Guts would also completely bask in the attention of 2 Griffiths lbr. they would both love having 2 of the other.)