Miura’s Progression of Casca Over the Years
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the few times that griffith loses some semblance of control over his anger/frustration publically it always inevitably turns guts on… griffith is chewing someone out and guts is shifting in the background doing a bad job of hiding his chub
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no omg i agree like he is never full drama queen but i feel like the stress has to come out in some ways lmao… he never throws a fit he’s just like hand twitching at his side while chews out the florist for getting the arrangement wrong and then maybe runs to his car afterwards and silent cries.
a+ content tbh, i love this. also i imagine these are the situations when modern au griffith’s like, death stare comes out lol
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“Who’s the bigger drama queen, Guts or Griffith?”
true… i feel like modern au griffith would be more of a drama queen or like, channel it through. healthier? outlets like social media. or being a groomzilla.
yeah i think depending on the au i could see a way more emotionally open griffith. like one thing about his general… mr calm and composed attitude to everything is that it’s not intrinsic and it doesn’t necessarily come naturally to him, he’s just forced himself to be very self-controlled throughout his life.
tbh I don’t think I should’ve said i can’t imagine griffith completely losing self-control, because i can imagine it under some circumstances, and i mean we’ve seen him attempt suicide (and he’s not in full control over himself when he’s self harming, eg, like he didn’t even seem aware he was doing it in Casca’s flashback, etc).
But yk to me drama queen suggests like, ott and melodramatic/overexaggerated emotional responses. imo Griffith’s most extreme emotional responses are pretty justified as reactions to extreme circumstances. Even Guts leaving was imo demonstrated to be genuinely significant to him, so his reaction didn’t feel overly extreme to me, and because we got his internal monologue we saw how much of his feelings he still kept hidden.
So it’s less that I can’t imagine him losing self control, and more that I can’t imagine him throwing a hissy fit, or screaming at someone in outrage, and generally blowing things out of proportion. that kind of thing.
But yeah like modern au Griffith, in different circumstances without a dream his life revolves around that forces him into a perfect self-controlled leader image, I could see him, yk, expressing his feelings before they started seeping out in self-destructive ways like unconscious self harm. Engaging in arguments, crying a bit more easily, etc. idk if I could really imagine him as an actual drama queen even then, but he could definitely be less cool and calm and composed in general.
But also like… bear in mind that this is me in unfun, contemplating the nuances of Griffith’s characterization mode. I want to respond to this with like a fun modern au groomzilla griffith scenario, I’m just bad at having fun and thinking of stuff like that, and your response made me ponder more about how canon Griffith expresses emotions lol.
Who’s the bigger drama queen, Guts or Griffith?
Guts.
I feel like Griffith is the expected answer, and I almost said Griffith automatically, but no it is definitely Guts, and Griffith is really like, the opposite of a drama queen. He’s cool and collected to a fault. Even during the second duel – we saw his frantic thoughts, but he didn’t express them. He was cold, and rational enough that everyone there except Rickert and Casca thought his challenge was reasonable (including Guts). His reaction when Guts walked away was to slump into the snow and silently repress really hard. He was hallucinating and breaking from reality when he finally broke down over his post-torture situation – before that he was shockingly calm and chill about it, even at the moment he silently let his dream go. Fucking Charlotte was a terrible decision but it was a method of repression, and he was pretty calm and composed during, even making cute jokes.
He smiled calmly when he made the sacrifice.
His breakdown in the river in front of Casca was spoken calmly and he stopped and put on a fake smile the instant he realized how badly his mask had slipped. He casually referred to being taken advantage of by a child predator as “seducing an old man.” He was completely cold + polite + perfunctory when he killed Gennon. “Do you think I’m cruel?” was one of his more emotional moments and it was v quietly so. His replies to Guts asking why he risked his life for him were all v chill, either rationalizations or calm admittances of irrationality. His most emotional, unconsidered moment (other than like, the suicide attempt) was probably lifting his hand to strangle Guts in the torture chamber, and that came after a year of torture and brooding over Guts, and he immediately switched to holding his hand when Guts started crying lol. yk, etc etc etc.
I honestly can’t really imagine Griffith completely losing his self-control and throwing a drama queen type fit. He’s understated.
Guts on the other hand makes a big production out of everything. Guts loses control and declares wars to get a demon’s attention. Guts screams at ghosts, Guts threatens dudes by throwing severed heads at them, Guts cracks wise when he’s fighting people whether it’s in fun tournaments or in life or death situations, Guts loses control and strangles people, Guts lets people stab him when he’s upset, Guts cries a lot, Guts screams a lot, Guts makes dramatic bitter speeches a lot, Guts, let’s be honest, throws tantrums and lashes out at whoever happens to be nearby when he’s upset. He tells kids to kill themselves, tortures apostles when he’s extra mad, fights a hundred men because he just wants to swing his sword, exaggeratedly pouts when Casca is mean to him, rushes into battle before everyone else, and is honestly really, really self-centred in general imo. (Which, to be clear, is something I love about him. Guts’ brand of self-centredness is a gr8 flaw.)
Plus like canonically his central motivation for just about everything he does is wanting attention, specifically Griffith’s attention.
So yeah I would say Guts is by far way more of a drama queen than Griffith. Griffith completely downplays everything that affects him as much as humanly possible, while Guts thrives on melodrama and big emotional responses.
(tbh I wouldn’t exactly call Guts a drama queen either lol, he’s also p chill and understated about a lot of things, but compared to Griffith he totally is.)
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Griffith and Guts having their dramatic angsty homoerotic battle that culminates in mutual defeat and becoming one in hell while Casca continues driving the story is the Absolute Best Ending I can think of thank you op
glad you agree! also i just love the image of casca like, walking away at the end of it all and being able to start over in any capacity, whether it’s as a human or a monster or whatever. bonus if she’s got farnese with her.
top 10 things you want to see happen in the manga?
ooh tough call. do they have to be plausible?
I’m gonna go in order from least to most likely I guess lol.
10. Guts has a sex dream about Griffith, fully canonizing his attraction.
9. Guts and Griffith admit they were and still are in love with each other, at least to themselves, and realize how hard they both fucked up their potential, and die together in mutual regret after a dramatic kiss and stab.
8. Guts kills Isidro in a berserk armour rage. Also like, Magnifico,
mermaid girl, Roderick, and also I’d add Schierke and her elf too. Maybe even Puck just to hammer home the point lol, just like, off half the
rpg group. Mini eclipse starring Guts going past his point of no return. And since this is already v implausible, it leads to an ending where Guts and Griffith do the not-so-different thing and get back together.
7. Guts doesn’t go Beast of Darkness due to Casca – not her dying (god forbid), not her going apostle, not her rejecting him, Casca just doesn’t figure into Guts losing himself to darkness regardless of what she does. Instead, Griffith comes to Elfhelm, and Guts goes Beast of Darkness during some kind of emotional confrontation with him.
6. Guts and Griffith drag each other to hell upon their deaths where they ~become one~ like lbr they’ve always wanted. also as an ironic call-back to their equality thing.
5. Schierke’s guardian spirit elemental beings and the Godhand are connected + aspects of the same shit, good and evil are two sides of the same human coin, and the Idea of Evil is not evil in and of itself, it’s simply fulfilling humanity’s wishes. Yk there’s no good spirit world vs evil spirit world, it’s all the same stuff it just looks good or evil depending on what you’re calling on them for and your perspective, because humanity contains multitudes.
4. The behelit opens, Casca makes a sacrifice, goes apostle, and gets to drive the narrative. Relatedly, there are griffguts parallels between apostle Casca and Farnese. Similarly to Rosine/Jill.
3. Danann, and Skull Knight, are using Guts and Casca in a plot against the Godhand, turn out to be giant dicks and Elfhelm in general becomes an antagonist. Also Moonlight Boy was a manipulation on Danann’s part. (And less plausible but along with that, when Griffith shows up at Elfhelm it’s right at the point where the audience, and Guts, wants to see someone fuck Elfhelm up, cleverly complicating the whole protagonist/antagonist scenario.)
2. Casca kills NGriff, probably while NGriff is having a breakdown after killing Guts.
1. Griffith does something stupid and irrational for Guts’ sake once again.
Bonus 0: the fetus is at least mostly a red herring and had nothing to do with Griffith’s heart beating when he watched Guts fight Zodd.
Quick question what are all the cited inspirations for Berserk?
From what I’ve seen myself in interviews I’ve read, Go Nagai (probably Devilman in particular wrt plot and characters, maybe Violence Jack too which I’ve seen other people cite specifically, and I’d suggest his art style in general), Rose of Versailles, Fist of the North Star, Guin Saga, Kaze to Ki no Uta, 80s Rutger Hauer films (lots of fans figure Ladyhawke in particular tho idk if he ever specified, there are a lot of similarities tho afaik), Disney movies (Puck = Jimminy Cricket lol).
Also I’ve seen ppl mention Pygmalio, Star Wars (which seems p obvious considering the Millenium Falcon shout out), Hellraiser, and Cho Aniki (referenced in the names Adon and Samson according to the dh translator lol. apparently there are a lot of little references like that even beyond like, puck’s obvious jokey refs, most of which i’m sure i’ll never know.)
There’s more on his tv tropes page and most seem legit, but ofc take it with a grain of salt bc it’s tv tropes.
Anyway saying half his inspirations were gay was a humorous exaggeration but there is a p significant chunk of gay and/or griffguts-y material there.
have you ever read kaze to ki no uta? it’s a shounen ai/shoujo manga that miura cited as an inspiration for berserk and the two protags and their relationship are reminescent of griffith and guts (also how hilarious it is that people keep denying the homosexual tones in griffith and guts’ relationship when this is a thing)
I read like the first few chapters before the site i was using fucked up and i didn’t go back to it, but mb i should. i’ve heard it’s only partially translated or smthn, which is why i just gave up, tho i could be wrong about that or it could be outdated info.
anyway yeah i can definitely see how it may have partly inspired berserk. i didn’t see enough of the protags’ relationship to really judge similarities there (though wouldn’t surprise me at all if there are some), but the whole concept of csa trauma influencing your life and fucking up your relationships is a p big thing in Berserk, and it seems like the main point of ktknu.
and lol i swear like half the stuff miura cites as an influence is textually gay. just one more reason i can’t believe the homoerotic overtones aren’t deliberate.
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About the first deul between Guts and Griffith; I think it’s kind of funny how whatever cool moves they did during that fight we never really see again (eg. Guts biting the sword, Griffith standing on top of the sword, the wrestling). In other words, that deul couldn’t have been just a demonstration of the two’s swordsman skills so the innuendos behind the fight were totally relevant.
legit. even innuendos aside, the uniqueness of the fight is a good reflection of the uniqueness of yk the circumstances, the relationship, it’s such a gr8 scene in general. and i do love those innuendos.
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