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okay like, i’m critical af of berserk. there are a LOT of aspects of it i dislike and a lot of aspects i consider straight up bad writing
but i swear so many berserk fans who love it to pieces and practically think it should be framed in a museum of modern art think it’s a lot worse than i do
i mean give the writer of the work you love some credit for creating a complex story instead of reducing everything he writes down to “manly hero hates former best friend who turned out to be an evil bag of dicks all along, wants revenge and also to fuck his traumatized girlfriend“
Ding dong Femto is still Griffith but without his humanity, consumed only by his power and ambition which he chose over empathy and his fucking family. He’s not a separate entity, he still did everything he did when he transformed out of an unconscious hatred and violence that was in his soul ( and all souls in berserk) which turned conscious and was all aimed at Casca and primarily Guts. Don’t confuse these facts when looking at my page. He chose to do everything he did the moment he said “I sacrifice.”
I should add onto this that all this being said, Griffith consciously before the eclipse would never have raped Casca. I know a lot of people interpret the scene in the caravan as him trying to forcefully take her but here I choose to acknowledge it as a power play to gauge if Casca would reciprocate affection still like she would have in the past ( him knowing her feelings for him ), and also to remind her of his helplessness without her( which would mean guts and the hawks as well…). It’s manipulative, it’s awful. But he stopped the moment she refused ( which she did ). He thought it was justified to behave this way because he was mentally ill( and probably had been for a while but that’s another discussion ). Let’s not exclude the fact all his tendons were cut so his ability to move normally is difficult.
However, Griffith had an equal amount of hatred for Guts as love ( and Casca ofc, but remember Miura is a fuck who made her rape mostly man pain – not her suffering ) for leaving him and making him weak and reckless. It transferred over to jealousy when he saw Casca and Guts together, so obviously no longer needing him or clinging to his dream. So what I’m saying is he chose not to act on his hatred when they rescued him ( ex. Holding guts hand, letting the flowers go, rising up when they were being attacked by wyald, etc ) and instead embraced his humanity, but Femto as a more controlled version of Griffith stripped him of that ability and let that violence and hatred in him seep forward and manifest into the act which took place during the eclipse when he was reborn.
Griffith was fragile, mentally and physically, but like all humans in berserk, there was an unconscious darkness repressed inside him. For Guts, it is the hell hound manifested, for Griffith it is Femto made real. Femto is Griffith, but Femto is not the man Griffith was before. He was no more evil than Guts or Casca or anyone in the Golden Age arc. I could go on about this but I just wanted to be clear about Griffith’s differences pre-eclipse ( empathy ) and reborn as Femto ( power ).
I’ve been wondering Like is there people out there who like…don’t think of Griffith and femto as the same person you know like how some dipshits are like “oh no anakin didn’t slaughter the younglings that was darth Vader darth Vader killed anakin from a certain point of view actually” is there people who think Griffith didn’t rape casca and slaughter the entirety of the band of hawk?
That it was his fucking alter ego countess boochie flagrante
tbf unlike anakin griffith literally got an explicitly described evil injection (”a fissure in your heart will open into which evil will surge), a new body created out of the same negativity as the idea of evil, and was explicitly shown losing his capacity to feel as the Band died and he was transforming so like…
yeah i feel it’s pretty well-established canon that femto is different than griffith.
whether you’d say griffith’s dark side + extra evil + new name – ability to feel empathy and other positive emotions = technically a new person or not doesn’t really matter imo, he’s definitely shown to be magically transformed enough physically and mentally for me to be able to draw a pretty solid line between femto and griffith regardless.
I mean they don’t put it down to magic but anakin DOES actually change when he becomes a sith it’s actually shown through out the series that being apart of the dark side does change a person at least physically (I think anyway maybe that was just a theory I read..)
I know there’s a big difference between pre and post eclipse Griffith my main point here is that it was /still/ Griffith who did those things regardless of how much he changed unlike some ppl may say
I used darth Vader as a comparison mainly because I assumed it would be the most well known case
I can actually think of two characters who would probably make a better comparison for numerous reasons but since their from a series of Irish children’s novels I assumed no one would have any idea wtf I was talking about
if that’s the case than fair enough, i’ve only seen the prequels once. i guess he did get yellow eyes somehow come to think of it lol.
I mean I guess this makes this a case of semantics then? As far as I’m concerned once a character goes through a magical fantasy transformation that includes changing the way he thinks it just makes more sense for me to consider them basically different people. If that’s stated somewhere in the movies to be the case between Anakin and Darth Vader and I’ve just forgotten then I’d consider them different too.
to me saying that it was still Griffith who did those things despite changing is like saying Guts tried to slaughter his friends while wearing the berserker armour imo. Sure, it’s technically accurate, but does that mean I should hate Guts because a magical element let the part of him that wants to indiscriminately slaughter innocent people reign free? We’re shown and told in both instances that these magical fantasy processes change the way a character feels and thinks and reacts, the only difference is that Griffith was entirely subsumed by his magic evil alter ego while Guts keeps coming back bc he has a witch and a magic kid on his side. but both Femto and the Berserk armour are manifestations of a character’s dark-side augmented by magic and suppressing their light-side/humanity, so they seem pretty comparable to me.
So what do you mean when you say Griffith still did those things regardless of how much he changed? If you agree that he changed first then we’re pretty much on the same page as far as I can tell. But when that change involves an irreversible physical transformation including new name change and literal “rebirth” as he hatches from an egg, I can understand why lots of people frame that change as a new person.
Like at the core we’re talking about fantasy situations that are not applicable to real life so it really just boils down to what you make of them I guess.
To me, the answer is yes and no. In a sense, Femto is Griffith. But not quite. I’d like to think that both Femto and Neo-Griffith are a part of Griffith that makes Griffith *Griffith* (if that makes sense) and vice versa. After all, whatever Femto and Neo-Griffith did is the result of Griffith’s actions and ambition (and that causality thing when you look at it in bigger perspective). It’s like, faces—masks. The best comparison I can think of is how ancient pantheons have many facades of themselves that manifest into different forms altogether. Take Parvati, a Hindu goddess, for example. Shes a benevolent goddess who is known for her nurturing personality, but she can turn into Durga, the Goddess of death and destruction when she is consumed by dark wrath (which is why she is associated with Guts by Dhaiva in the manga). Is she still the same Goddess? Well, yes and no. And I think that kinda answer is also fitting when talking about whether Griffith/Femto is the same person/creature or not. Especially given his current godlike status IMHO.
I love this goddess comparison! Makes perfect sense to me.
And yeah I pretty much agree with you – imo Femto is Griffith’s dark side stripped of all… positivity and light, yk, and given god-like power.
So Griffith always contained Femto within him but mediated and restrained by humanity and his own conscience and love and guilt etc etc. And according to the world of Berserk this is pretty much true of everyone – everyone’s got their inner darkness. The fantasy world magic just allows it to come out and overwhelm everything else.
Guts has his hellhound which is explicitly compared to Femto in one chapter while he’s being taunted by demons, apostles become apostles by giving themselves over to their dark sides, etc.
eta: anyway yeah tl;dr to sum up I don’t think I or anyone really considers Femto an entirely separate person, like the godhand just killed Griffith and replaced him with someone entirely different and totally unrelated. I think it just comes down to what you think constitutes “a different person” in a fantasy world where rebirth is a feature.
i was thinking about how i should’ve compared the torture chamber monologue and griffith’s descent into darkness as he becomes femto bc they feel so similar to me but i couldn’t really see much point. then i re-read griffith’s monologue because it’s like my favourite thing and thought of something
I’ve been wondering Like is there people out there who like…don’t think of Griffith and femto as the same person you know like how some dipshits are like “oh no anakin didn’t slaughter the younglings that was darth Vader darth Vader killed anakin from a certain point of view actually” is there people who think Griffith didn’t rape casca and slaughter the entirety of the band of hawk?
That it was his fucking alter ego countess boochie flagrante
tbf unlike anakin griffith literally got an explicitly described evil injection (”a fissure in your heart will open into which evil will surge), a new body created out of the same negativity as the idea of evil, and was explicitly shown losing his capacity to feel as the Band died and he was transforming so like…
yeah i feel it’s pretty well-established canon that femto is different than griffith.
whether you’d say griffith’s dark side + extra evil + new name – ability to feel empathy and other positive emotions = technically a new person or not doesn’t really matter imo, he’s definitely shown to be magically transformed enough physically and mentally for me to be able to draw a pretty solid line between femto and griffith regardless.
I mean they don’t put it down to magic but anakin DOES actually change when he becomes a sith it’s actually shown through out the series that being apart of the dark side does change a person at least physically (I think anyway maybe that was just a theory I read..)
I know there’s a big difference between pre and post eclipse Griffith my main point here is that it was /still/ Griffith who did those things regardless of how much he changed unlike some ppl may say
I used darth Vader as a comparison mainly because I assumed it would be the most well known case
I can actually think of two characters who would probably make a better comparison for numerous reasons but since their from a series of Irish children’s novels I assumed no one would have any idea wtf I was talking about
if that’s the case than fair enough, i’ve only seen the prequels once. i guess he did get yellow eyes somehow come to think of it lol.
I mean I guess this makes this a case of semantics then? As far as I’m concerned once a character goes through a magical fantasy transformation that includes changing the way he thinks it just makes more sense for me to consider them basically different people. If that’s stated somewhere in the movies to be the case between Anakin and Darth Vader and I’ve just forgotten then I’d consider them different too.
to me saying that it was still Griffith who did those things despite changing is like saying Guts tried to slaughter his friends while wearing the berserker armour imo. Sure, it’s technically accurate, but does that mean I should hate Guts because a magical element let the part of him that wants to indiscriminately slaughter innocent people reign free? We’re shown and told in both instances that these magical fantasy processes change the way a character feels and thinks and reacts, the only difference is that Griffith was entirely subsumed by his magic evil alter ego while Guts keeps coming back bc he has a witch and a magic kid on his side. but both Femto and the Berserk armour are manifestations of a character’s dark-side augmented by magic and suppressing their light-side/humanity, so they seem pretty comparable to me.
So what do you mean when you say Griffith still did those things regardless of how much he changed? If you agree that he changed first then we’re pretty much on the same page as far as I can tell. But when that change involves an irreversible physical transformation including new name change and literal “rebirth” as he hatches from an egg, I can understand why lots of people frame that change as a new person.
Like at the core we’re talking about fantasy situations that are not applicable to real life so it really just boils down to what you make of them I guess.
@mastermistressofdesire said:
I kinda second the ending with both of them dead at the end. Nothing else would be quite as fitting.
ikr there’s something so satisfying to me about the idea. maybe bc they have this whole fated enemies vibe.
Casca is a more tragic character than Guts, if only for the mere fact that she was robbed of her autonomy throughout her suffering. Guts was allowed to reclaim his strength, get back on his feet, and make decisions regarding the cause of his pain, while Casca was denied of her right to process her trauma and suffering, instead Miura opted to erase her character and sense of self entirely, and that’s why she’s the more tragic one of the two.
*goes back to sleep*
GUTS. YOU CANNOT HAVE IT WORSE THAN GUTS. I know what happened to Casca and i see your point but Guts has to CONSTANTLY suffer more than it is human possible to bear to save his friends. Farnese, Silke, and the other ones of the Traveling Party take care of her. Guts, at any moment, can see his own body being ripped to ashes. Not to mention his brand of sacrifice actually WORKS.
No, you don’t see my point. What differs here is autonomy and free will. That’s it. Guts got to keep his autonomy and free will throughout the course of the series; even through the darkest moments he still retained his sense of self and the core of his character, and when there was a chance that he could lose himself in the berserker armor, Miura was quick to find a solution for that, while Casca was denied of all those things, and her trauma was used as a tool to further Guts’ suffering and man angst.
From a storytelling point of view, she is the more tragic one, simply for how mishandled and mistreated her character is/was, by her own goddamn creator. Guts rarely had to suffer the unfortunate and questionable writing decisions that befell Casca, merely because she’s a female character; even when his body is “ripped to ashes”, Guts gets to stay Guts.
I could even go as far as to say that Casca’s biggest tragedy in this series is that she’s a woman, a fact she herself never particularly liked but also never rejected, and which was constantly used as a weapon against her, whether by fellow characters or by the narrative itself.
I’m not here for Tragedy Olympics, and it’s important to point out that while Guts is hurt by the narrative for his own development, Casca is hurt by the narrative for Guts’ development, and she’s hurt by her own creator, too, for the exact same reason.
I’ve been wondering Like is there people out there who like…don’t think of Griffith and femto as the same person you know like how some dipshits are like “oh no anakin didn’t slaughter the younglings that was darth Vader darth Vader killed anakin from a certain point of view actually” is there people who think Griffith didn’t rape casca and slaughter the entirety of the band of hawk?
That it was his fucking alter ego countess boochie flagrante
tbf unlike anakin griffith literally got an explicitly described evil injection (”a fissure in your heart will open into which evil will surge), a new body created out of the same negativity as the idea of evil, and was explicitly shown losing his capacity to feel as the Band died and he was transforming so like…
yeah i feel it’s pretty well-established canon that femto is different than griffith.
whether you’d say griffith’s dark side + extra evil + new name – ability to feel empathy and other positive emotions = technically a new person or not doesn’t really matter imo, he’s definitely shown to be magically transformed enough physically and mentally for me to be able to draw a pretty solid line between femto and griffith regardless.
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Although I really like every aspect of Griffith…. The small window of time that was the ‘rescued, post-torture, pre-eclipse’ chapters may be one of my most favorite points for his character because we are shown his true mettle, and that his mettle proves shockingly impressive against the odds. So you get the impression that straining through broken mind and broken body, he is still THERE, and even as a husk of his former self, his perception/wit/warrior instincts are as sharp as ever. This little burst of rejuvenation (doomed though it is) has always thoroughly haunted me.
“Kirisute- cutting a person down (without a second thought)”
“Daijinomaenoshouji- small sacrifice in a great cause”
Ok, so this is a twisted picture because this expression is obviously referring to something normal, but Griffith thinks of his army as people he can use to get where he wants to go, which is the top, of course. So here he is using the people who are loyal to him as a staircase leading to the highest point obtainable.
the fact that the fated king with divine right who saves the world and builds a peaceful and prosperous paradise is the antagonist is one of those really basic reversals of expectation that just never ceases to tickle me, i love it so much
Man they’re like beginning the most important conversation of their lives here and it’s genuinely tragic that they never get to finish it bc it could’ve changed so much. Like this exchange is enough for Guts to begin to realize that maybe he’s found a
home and the nebulous thing he’s been searching for (love,
affection, respect – everything he never got from Gambino) here, with
Griffith.
But it’s not enough for Griffith to get in touch
with his own emotions. I think he could’ve though, if the conversation
had a chance to keep going. Guts’ response to Griffith’s “do I need a
reason each time I put myself in harm’s way for your sake” started with,
“No, I just -” before he was interrupted. And the fact that Miura
chose to make it an interruption instead of letting their conversation
end before the king and co show up tells me that the conversation
wasn’t over – so it wasn’t Guts saying, “No, I just wanted to ask,” or
something meek and final.
It was Guts saying, “No, I just thought I was
just another soldier to you,” or “No, I just don’t understand why you would,” or “No, I just never thought there’d be someone who would risk
their life for me.” Yk, something that would force Griffith to consider
what he just said and what it actually means and make it impossible for him to keep deflecting.
my friends it is 5:50 in the morning and i am laying in bed thinking about how griffith survived torture by thinking of guts and how fucking gay that is
ok i’ve been trying to write a long involved thing but yk what fuck it i’m gonna be pithy for once and just point something out:
to guts, neogriffith and casca evoke similar feelings. they’re both former friends, now utterly changed, walking around reminding guts of the unreachable past. he turned his focus to casca after neogriffith showed up looking like the old griffith and acting like a stranger. physically reachable but emotionally unreachable.
and i think there’s an argument in there that guts is so wrapped up in fixing casca, despite acknowledging to himself that there’s a good chance it’s not even in her best interests, in part because he can’t do anything to fix griffith.
Absolutely.
Even the narrative calls attention to this actually. That around the moment when Guts says ‘this time I promise I won’t leave you’ after Griffith leaves, instead of getting a flashback to when he left Casca behind in the cave- which is what should have been the case if these words were intended for her- he flashbacks to leaving Griffith on the snow after their duel.
And you compare to just a few panels before “this time I’m the one left behind” and the previous bit seems a continuation of this.
He’s physically putting his arm around Casca, but he’s thinking of something else, looking up in the sky where Griffith just disappeared.
And once again I hate how all the evidence I have of Guts regard is so fucking unfair to Casca .
ok i’ve been trying to write a long involved thing but yk what fuck it i’m gonna be pithy for once and just point something out:
to guts, neogriffith and casca evoke similar feelings. they’re both former friends, now utterly changed, walking around reminding guts of the unreachable past. he turned his focus to casca after neogriffith showed up looking like the old griffith and acting like a stranger. physically reachable but emotionally unreachable.
and i think there’s an argument in there that guts is so wrapped up in fixing casca, despite acknowledging to himself that there’s a good chance it’s not even in her best interests, in part because he can’t do anything to fix griffith.
!!! I’ve been thinking about this a lot too. I wonder if she’ll made a reh-appearance in the series. I hope she’s ok though wherever she is in the current berserk universe because of all the demons and shit
YEAH i have faith… mostly because guts said “it doesnt look like you’ll die any time soon” when she promised to kill him LOL… lets hope “any time soon” covers 350 chapters I just hope like. miura brings back all these goddamn girl characters that just got left behind… luca and her crew turned up again… theresia, jill, and rosine wasnt Shown to be dead + guts couldnt bring himself to land a truly killing blow so ?? i just. Want My Daughters to come Home
one of the best things about Berserk is that you come to it expecting Guts to be one of them macho anime men with a limited range of emotions but the truth is that he’s just a Big Sad Boy and has one of the most expressive faces portrayed on a male character of his sort.
Berserk does this thing where it’s like- Here take a nice look at this character. Here also look at their ass. Now have a few facts about them. Oh wait, I hope you didn’t BELIEVE those facts. Because here look at the character again. Look at their ass. The secret is there.
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