oh and i know i talked recently about how the hawks didn’t seem to give a fuck about him as a friend after they found him post-torture, but in fairness – judeau, casca, and guts were each trying to argue for taking him on themselves. like yeah everyone was bummed and corkus threw a tantrum but i don’t think we’re actually meant to think the hawks never really cared for griffith

they maybe never cared enough or as much as they would have if griffith had let them in emotionally, but there is genuine feeling for him in the band and i think the requiem of the wind chapter is really more about the sense of an ending and everyone feeling melancholy after spending a year desperately hoping for one result and getting something much more depressing and realistic.

like i can’t really hold one afternoon of moping and grasping at other straws for the future (like guts’ crew, who clearly adore him, wanting to join him) against them.

idk like most of berserk i guess it’s neither extreme. not ‘the hawks never cared about griffith as anything other than a perfect leader’ but also not ‘the hawks are great considerate friends to him.’

look how surprised griffith is by the hawks’ outpouring of emotion when they learn he’s not dead after all.

guts never asked him, he only thought it, but i think that it
wouldn’t’ve even crossed griffith’s mind that faking his own death is
cruel to the hawks. he’s worried about whether asking guts to kill people for him is cruel, not about whether keeping the hawks in the dark is.

this is after he succeeded, after he’s paved
their way, and when he’s no longer useful to them as a military leader. i
don’t think he ever thought they actually cared about him beyond that
enough to be distraught over his “death.”

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tbh tho griffith’s second expression here fucks me up so much

i mean, cover his smile, and he looks almost like he’s holding back tears. there’s so much emotion in that one fucking drawing like… he’s hurt, but not really by guts’ words so much as the reminder of his dream. and it’s not like a sudden reminder of the weight of guilt on him or w/e, it’s like

idk like it reminds me of the moment griffith asked guts to kill julius and guts was like ‘just order me to do it’ and we didn’t see griffith’s expression then, and it probably wasn’t this intense, but i imagine guts’ answer was a disappointing reminder of the artificial distance between griffith and guts based on status and now class etc. and i feel like this is the same – this is griffith treating guts like the only friend he has and opening up in a vulnerable moment and guts returning that distance between them by reminding griffith of his dream.

and in this moment the reminder of his dream hurts not for all the reasons it should, but bc it’s a barrier between him and guts, yk?

idk this is such a crossroads moment imo and ugh this scene is so perfect

chaoticgaygriffith:

farmint:

comradecalliope:

@farmint it’s hard to tell but I’m 98% sure he’s blushing here

baby boy… baby… this scene is like a few chapters before guts leaves too i am dying

There are actually a lot of scenes in the manga where Griffith has these small lines directly under his eyes while talking to Guts and I can’t tell if Miura just sucks at drawing people who are blushing or if it’s meant to be some bottom eyelid shading or w/e.

charlotte’s gormless awed blush is drawn similarly so i think it’s meant to be a blush

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and casca gets the heated emotions (or feverish) under-the-eye blush thing a lot

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so i say panels like this are def griff subtly blushing

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(plus gets gets in on it too sometimes esp while he’s planning to leave, like here when griff asks him if he’s all right pre battle of doldrey:

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anyway i just went thru a bunch of golden age chapters at random looking for this and it’s everywhere, another tool to add a layer of subtle emotion to complicated expressions that i kind of dig actually after looking for it purposefully for a while

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also idk what prompted this but @farmint

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neogriff has a bona fide sex blush in this iconic panel if blushing griffith is what you’re looking for (more than the undereye thing) and neogriff counts

yesgabsstuff:

mastermistressofdesire:

farmint:

i dont have many neo band of the hawk opinions besides 1.) sonia is not to be trusted and 2.) irvine and locus are lowkey beat-around-the-bush dating

Okay so I have a Berserk odd-ships/ Broships/ crack-ships fleet now-

1.Irvine – Locus

2.Silat- Irvine

3. Serpico-Roderick

4. Serpico-Guts

5. Charlotte- Anna

6.Charlotte- Zodd

7. Locus- Griffith

8. Zodd- Guts

Add your own!

GriffGuts and Farnesca aren’t included because they’re like big ones.

@bthump @farmint @yesgabsstuff @griffithsgaymom
Got any more?

So, this is a one sided, unrequited ship: Corkus/Guts. It’s my belief that one of the reasons why Corkus remains as salty as he does is that not only does he low-key dislikes Guts as a person, he finds him very attractive. He did not miss Griffith paying attention to him on the battlefield, in fact he makes a comment about it to Griffith. Like a person who also looked at him and said “DAYMN.”

the image of corkus noticing griffith watch guts and going ‘damn, amirite’ at him or w/e is amazing lmao

farmint:

mastermistressofdesire:

farmint:

i dont have many neo band of the hawk opinions besides 1.) sonia is not to be trusted and 2.) irvine and locus are lowkey beat-around-the-bush dating

Okay so I have a Berserk odd-ships/ Broships/ crack-ships fleet now-

1.Irvine – Locus

2.Silat- Irvine

3. Serpico-Roderick

4. Serpico-Guts

5. Charlotte- Anna

6.Charlotte- Zodd

7. Locus- Griffith

8. Zodd- Guts

Add your own!

GriffGuts and Farnesca aren’t included because they’re like big ones.

@bthump @farmint @yesgabsstuff @griffithsgaymom
Got any more?

Gaston/corkus. corkus hates guts sm bc his bf luvs him so much. sonia/schierke. luca/harpy apostle

@mastermistressofdesire owen/laban, the real power couple of midland. and serpico/silat.
also cosigning like almost everything here lol.

seisans
replied to your post “i was thinking about how much I don’t want the plot to be advanced by…”

hhhhhhhhhh god i need more of shit like this i’m starved. characters caring but not realising they care and accidentally making it obvious to everyone but themselves is one of my fav tropes

saaaaame like, that’s easily one of my favourite things about the golden age, i’m desperate for a reprise.

my ideal ending definitely involves griffith doing something stupid and irrational again bc of guts. like i can’t think of anything more perfectly fitting.

a concept

AU where Guts never overheard Griffith’s speech to Charlotte, nothing went wrong, Griffith eventually married Charlotte and became king, managed the whole famine and plague situation competently and is beloved, started hooking up with Guts on the side, Casca became the highest-ranked general in Midland, Gaston’s got his shop, everyone’s living their best lives

And then Ganeshka and his unstoppable demon army shows up, and regular old human king Griffith doesn’t have apostles on his side

So Griffith tries to stop Ganeshka but it’s unquestionably hopeless ofc

Anyway this is ultimately a What If Griffith became king and fulfilled his dream all according to plan but 3 years later had to flee his kingdom (or get knocked out and hauled away over Guts’ shoulder depending on how reluctant he is) as it’s about to be taken over by a demon emperor kinda thing. Or maybe he chooses to flee because Guts is determined to stay and die with him if he stays. Because I like the idea of Griffith being forced to pick Guts’ life over dying for his dream.

Either way bam suddenly he’s back to where he was when he was 12 with a group of rag tag friends roaming the countryside trying to survive and he’s gotta deal with that.

i was thinking about how much I don’t want the plot to be advanced by Griffith and co suddenly invading elfhelm and forcing guts and co into reactivity, because active villains and reactive heroes annoy tf out of me and wouldn’t work in berserk. it’s just a way to keep the heroes morally pure by having the villains make the first move, and lol berserk doesn’t have morally pure heroes. much better if the villain is reactive and the heroes are active. (or antag/protag, more accurate terminology but w/e)

buuuuut then i was like, but what if it was subtle yet obvious that griffith invading elfhelm makes no sense and he’s bored and misses guts and is bringing himself to him under the pretense of a battle? (ofc this is griffith so he thinks he just wants to fight and take over elfworld but deep down he’s bored and wants to see guts)

i mean more than any other option i’ve thought of i still want casca to be the catalyst that moves things forward, esp since if she isn’t then she’ll probably go right back to love interest, and dnw plot happening bc griffith interrupts their elfland honeymoon.

but still. the thought of neogriffith doing irrational things w/ guts in mind, except now it’s to ‘kill’ him rather than save him, would be so good.

mastermistressofdesire:

bthump:

mastermistressofdesire:

dicks-out-for-griffith:

mastermistressofdesire:

strangemonochromes:

Berserk (ベルセルク) // Kentaro Miura

Casca babe. I still don’t know why the fuck you would say that.
It makes zero sense.

Tbh at this point I felt things were happening, only because they had to happen, even if it made no sense to anyone to act like this. Like Casca saying this, as if it still mattered what Griffith saw as a equal. Like Guts acting as if not realizing how severe Griffith’s injuries were and saying he will swing that sword again. Like the Band throwing a fucking tantrum how their future is ruined, while Griffith was 5 steps away and probably listening. Like even Guts and Casca having this talk there, as if he wasn’t sleeping nearby… the amount of moments, where everyone was being inconsiderate was so huge, that it felt kind of…. forced to me 😮 Either this or at this point they had all stopped seeing Griffith as a person already.

And tbh, there was no going back from there on in my opinion, even if he had never been offered to sacrifice them, even if he had accepted living in a broken body, he wouldn’t have accepted being their mascot.

Yeah,
I completely agree actually.

Like of course at this point Miura was trying to take the plot to the eclipse so maybe everything doesn’t make sense from character consistency point of view.

But really if we leave that aside this arc really was evidence that both of what Wyald said and what we knew of Griffith’s apprehensions were almost completely justified.

Like it really just came across as if nobody actually gave a shit about griffith as a fucking human being. And it was upsetting because all this while, we were thinking how Griffith was wrong and being pessimistic and he should maybe stop distancing himself so much. But then griffith was absolutely right all along.

It really just seemed like everyone was waiting for griffith because of the usefulness he’d have to their lives. The moment it became clear that he wouldn’t be able to do that, they immediately ran to Guts to leave with him instead.

Like notice how no one else even tries to visit him after that, I mean yeah okay, you were throwing around words like love before, but okay.

yes , they most probably wouldn’t have abandoned him but that would most probably be because such a thing would be ‘distasteful’ rather than anything else. I mean you might be right about the fact that they’ve already stopped seeing him as a person at this point.

And honestly even with Casca, like this really rubbed me the wrong way- but she has this little bit of internal monologue where she says “Yes now it’s my turn to fulfill this duty. ” And that sense of duty is repeated when she tells Guts that she can’t leave with him.
And wow. So it’s DUTY now ? Like a couple of chapters ago you were wondering why he’d chose Charlotte to bed instead of you and were being jealous of the fact. And now it’s only your sense of duty holding you back. Like honestly I thought you loved this person?
Wow for consistency.

I mean I remember Griffith saying in the lake, while hurting himself that the only thing he can do for his men is to keep winning.

And really he was right.

That’s all they want from him and that’s all that he’s good for in their eyes.

tbh this never bothered me from a writing perspective because it felt very realistic to me

it’s not good and it doesn’t reflect well on the hawks, but it seems consistent because none of them ever gave a fuck about griffith as a person except guts and casca. judeau practically flat out said it during his first chat with guts, when he said everyone followed griffith for his charisma but he couldn’t really say what kind of a man he is.

and it’s partially griffith’s fault for distancing himself. you can’t expect people to care about you as a person if they only know you as a flawless leader. but it’s also definitely dickish of the hawks – but the kind of dickish that doesn’t seem out of place imo, especially in berserk’s shitty world where if you’re accepting that half the men casca runs into want to rape her, ableism doesn’t seem like a stretch.

also in fairness, only corkus made a scene when casca announced the news, and that’s pretty in character for him, and there was only like, maybe a couple hours between that and the eclipse, during most of which griffith was asleep, so there wasn’t much opportunity for people to visit him, or even sort out their feelings beyond abject disappointment that their hopes are dashed.

i actually love casca and judeau telling guts to leave while he’s trying to say he wants to stay, because they are treating griffith as an inevitable burden someone has to deal with, and guts is the only one who isn’t. judeau has his, i’ll take some hawks, start a thieves gang and take care of him, because it’s the least i could do for all he’s done for us. plus being ‘self sacrificing’ for casca’s sake lol.

casca’s feelings are more complex but they also work for me – because she wanted to leave with guts after rescuing griffith and try to move on from her feelings for griffith, and now he needs her, and she’s someone who wants to be needed, so it’s like just as she had hope that she could move on she’s back to square one. also tbh her attitude strikes me as more evidence that she never really loved Griffith, just admired him.

and they both expect guts to view him as a burden so they encourage him to leave – because according to those rules of the battlefield judeau likes to cite so much, he’s no longer a hawk so griffith isn’t his responsibility.

and guts partially wants to stay out of guilt probably, but based on his actions at the start of the eclipse it seems clear that he, more than anyone else in the hawks, still just genuinely likes griffith and wants to be with him in some capacity. he’s the one who speaks out when the godhand says griffith is one of them, he supports and holds him until they’re forcibly separated and then he climbs up to griffith to try to save him, and he refuses to believe griffith sacrificed everyone for quite a while.

idk basically it’s harsh and depressing but it works for me largely bc i never got the sense that anyone except guts genuinely liked griffith as a person, even casca. well charlotte i guess, but w/e. even she believed he’d recover when she wanted to stay with him.

Hmm yeah.

Of course it makes a lot of sense from the writing perspective. And from character perspectives. And everything makes sense with everything else because that’s just how Berserk is. It’s brilliant.
And all that is precisely the reason I love it so much.

I don’t think my issue was with character consistency actually, like tbh I don’t have an issue at all, -that’s what makes for good story telling and that’s what I’m here for.

I have zero issues with the Hawks not giving a fuck about Griffith. Because it makes sense. And because realistically that’s how people are.

Same with Casca.

I think what I had a not very objective, reaction to^ up there was the fact that the fact that the Hawks or Casca may be didn’t give a fuck is very rarely recognised

Which makes for very one dimensional analysis. And THAT is frustrating.

The thing with Casca is I have very mixed feelings about her in general and that just spills onto every time I mention her so. Yeah.

And like hey I liked griffith so sometimes there’s an emotional ‘why you do this?’, but intellectually yes, makes sense, sign me the fuck up, sweet angst God yes.

Like the fact everyone is equal parts nice and low-key assholeish is amazing?

But sometimes people are not nice to someone you like (Even if that makes perfect sense to you )and you are like ‘hey!’

yeah i know what you mean. casca is such a difficult character in some ways for me bc i love her in theory but i feel like i’m constantly mentally compensating for the way miura writes her.

like eg i’d infinitely prefer if instead of casca switching gears bc now she loves guts instead of griffith, she was telling guts to leave because she believes she’s being self-sacrificing but deep down she wants griffith to herself and she still isn’t over her jealousy of guts. i don’t feel that’s the case, that’s not the vibe i get from this scene at all, but man i’d be into that, and i kind of headcanon it that way.

like i like petty jealous casca whose “love” for griffith is a flaw (and a defense mechanism she uses to avoid self-examination) she needs to overcome to come into her own as a person. i don’t like casca just switching from griffith to guts and this being treated by the narrative as a touching and significant development for her lol. same like, i like casca as a badass responsible and respected military leader, i don’t like casca as someone who “had to give up being a woman” (wtf does that even mean lol) and is conflicted about that, it sucks.

enjoying casca as a character to me is like navigating a minefield of miura’s shitty misogyny lol. there’s lots i love and it’s worth the effort of downplaying the shitty aspects of her writing imo, but man i wish i didn’t have to.

See the thing with Griffith is he’s not selfish but he is self-centered

yesgabsstuff:

mastermistressofdesire:

But it has an extremely childish quality to it. It’s less that he thinks he thinks of himself as the most important thing in the world, but he does view most things around him in terms of how they relate to him.

There’s this thing called centrism which Children have. Where they are the object of every action that happens around them.

So a young child is more likely to say “the table hurt me” rather than “I bumped into the table” not in regards to vocabulary but in the pattern of thinking or ideation about the event.

It’s something they grow out of usually if their development is normal.

I don’t think Griffith did.
“You made me forget my dream” rather than “I forgot my dream”

It’s this view that the self is the object upon which everyone’s intents are carried out.

I find this interesting with regards to how often Griffith’s temperament is compared to a child’s in the narrative.

Omg yes!!!

Guts has a little bit of this too? He assumes that Griffith’s speech to Charlotte is in some way “about him” in the sense that little kids always assume that anything bad happening around them is their fault. Griffith’s guilt issues I also feel come from a similar place. I mean they’ve both been traumatized and had to deal with the bulk of it completely alone so I’m not surprised that these kinds of “childish” thoughts have stayed long past their developmental usefulness.

seisans
replied to your post “seisans
replied to your post “madchen
replied to your post…”

dhksdhsk imagine poor old lady flora having to explain to both of these losers that the other guy likes them and that they should just go for it

lmao i feel like she’d start out amused and get very exasperated very quickly. this would not be a fun job.

and YEAH god that
stuck with me forever, little baby rickert knowing what’s up better than
guts who was closest to griffith. i mean it wasn’t surprising at all
but. next time someone tries to deny griffguts is a thing i’m gonna be
like, this 13 year old child gets it and you don’t
and np! the offer
stands if anyone ever finds themselves needing something translated (i’m
still far from fluent but it shouldn’t be too hard)

honestly it’s like this fandom is full of corkuses who think griffith is above emotion lol, like corkus’ denial is not meant to be agreed with, he’s meant to be kind of an idiot and Rickert Was Right. and ty that’s rly generous, I’ll keep your offer in mind!

like bl has pointed out i hate
how casca passively internalising pain is accidentally relatable to
women when i’m pretty sure miura was just being a misogynist like always

yeaaaaah like it can be such a mess to try to sort out what miura intended as a commentary on sexism and what miura wrote because he’s a huge fucking misogynist lol, but i def think casca’s narrative from the eclipse on falls mostly into the latter category. i mean her narrative in general falls mostly into the latter category lbr, but especially the eclipse and mental regression bs. also agreed on his art from about 05 on lol.

chaoticgaygriffith:

bthump:

mastermistressofdesire:

dicks-out-for-griffith:

mastermistressofdesire:

strangemonochromes:

Berserk (ベルセルク) // Kentaro Miura

Casca babe. I still don’t know why the fuck you would say that.
It makes zero sense.

Tbh at this point I felt things were happening, only because they had to happen, even if it made no sense to anyone to act like this. Like Casca saying this, as if it still mattered what Griffith saw as a equal. Like Guts acting as if not realizing how severe Griffith’s injuries were and saying he will swing that sword again. Like the Band throwing a fucking tantrum how their future is ruined, while Griffith was 5 steps away and probably listening. Like even Guts and Casca having this talk there, as if he wasn’t sleeping nearby… the amount of moments, where everyone was being inconsiderate was so huge, that it felt kind of…. forced to me 😮 Either this or at this point they had all stopped seeing Griffith as a person already.

And tbh, there was no going back from there on in my opinion, even if he had never been offered to sacrifice them, even if he had accepted living in a broken body, he wouldn’t have accepted being their mascot.

Yeah,
I completely agree actually.

Like of course at this point Miura was trying to take the plot to the eclipse so maybe everything doesn’t make sense from character consistency point of view.

But really if we leave that aside this arc really was evidence that both of what Wyald said and what we knew of Griffith’s apprehensions were almost completely justified.

Like it really just came across as if nobody actually gave a shit about griffith as a fucking human being. And it was upsetting because all this while, we were thinking how Griffith was wrong and being pessimistic and he should maybe stop distancing himself so much. But then griffith was absolutely right all along.

It really just seemed like everyone was waiting for griffith because of the usefulness he’d have to their lives. The moment it became clear that he wouldn’t be able to do that, they immediately ran to Guts to leave with him instead.

Like notice how no one else even tries to visit him after that, I mean yeah okay, you were throwing around words like love before, but okay.

yes , they most probably wouldn’t have abandoned him but that would most probably be because such a thing would be ‘distasteful’ rather than anything else. I mean you might be right about the fact that they’ve already stopped seeing him as a person at this point.

And honestly even with Casca, like this really rubbed me the wrong way- but she has this little bit of internal monologue where she says “Yes now it’s my turn to fulfill this duty. ” And that sense of duty is repeated when she tells Guts that she can’t leave with him.
And wow. So it’s DUTY now ? Like a couple of chapters ago you were wondering why he’d chose Charlotte to bed instead of you and were being jealous of the fact. And now it’s only your sense of duty holding you back. Like honestly I thought you loved this person?
Wow for consistency.

I mean I remember Griffith saying in the lake, while hurting himself that the only thing he can do for his men is to keep winning.

And really he was right.

That’s all they want from him and that’s all that he’s good for in their eyes.

tbh this never bothered me from a writing perspective because it felt very realistic to me

it’s not good and it doesn’t reflect well on the hawks, but it seems consistent because none of them ever gave a fuck about griffith as a person except guts and casca. judeau practically flat out said it during his first chat with guts, when he said everyone followed griffith for his charisma but he couldn’t really say what kind of a man he is.

and it’s partially griffith’s fault for distancing himself. you can’t expect people to care about you as a person if they only know you as a flawless leader. but it’s also definitely dickish of the hawks – but the kind of dickish that doesn’t seem out of place imo, especially in berserk’s shitty world where if you’re accepting that half the men casca runs into want to rape her, ableism doesn’t seem like a stretch.

also in fairness, only corkus made a scene when casca announced the news, and that’s pretty in character for him, and there was only like, maybe a couple hours between that and the eclipse, during most of which griffith was asleep, so there wasn’t much opportunity for people to visit him, or even sort out their feelings beyond abject disappointment that their hopes are dashed.

i actually love casca and judeau telling guts to leave while he’s trying to say he wants to stay, because they are treating griffith as an inevitable burden someone has to deal with, and guts is the only one who isn’t. judeau has his, i’ll take some hawks, start a thieves gang and take care of him, because it’s the least i could do for all he’s done for us. plus being ‘self sacrificing’ for casca’s sake lol.

casca’s feelings are more complex but they also work for me – because she wanted to leave with guts after rescuing griffith and try to move on from her feelings for griffith, and now he needs her, and she’s someone who wants to be needed, so it’s like just as she had hope that she could move on she’s back to square one. also tbh her attitude strikes me as more evidence that she never really loved Griffith, just admired him.

and they both expect guts to view him as a burden so they encourage him to leave – because according to those rules of the battlefield judeau likes to cite so much, he’s no longer a hawk so griffith isn’t his responsibility.

and guts partially wants to stay out of guilt probably, but based on his actions at the start of the eclipse it seems clear that he, more than anyone else in the hawks, still just genuinely likes griffith and wants to be with him in some capacity. he’s the one who speaks out when the godhand says griffith is one of them, he supports and holds him until they’re forcibly separated and then he climbs up to griffith to try to save him, and he refuses to believe griffith sacrificed everyone for quite a while.

idk basically it’s harsh and depressing but it works for me largely bc i never got the sense that anyone except guts genuinely liked griffith as a person, even casca. well charlotte i guess, but w/e. even she believed he’d recover when she wanted to stay with him.

Personally, I understood the Hawks suddenly seeing him as a burden, shitty as it was, but even with your explanation Casca’s line seems OoC to me. Just a while ago she was yelling at him for having left, so what’s this now? Yeah, leaving again is sure gonna be fantastic for Griffith’s recovery.

yeah i see what you mean bc it’s such a shift for her. tbh it mostly works for me bc of how completely convicted guts was when he told casca he didn’t want to stay, back by the waterfall before the rescue mission. casca took him at face value, told him he was just like griffith (angrily), but seemed to think his conviction was noble and v genuine and v important to him. we know guts’ conviction is ultimately pointless and stupid, but casca doesn’t.

especially when she says ‘if you want to be his friend you have to go’ (paraphrasing) because she’s parroting back what guts told her, and it’s actually kind of a point in her favour that she doesn’t consider griffith’s condition to be a dealbreaker in guts’ pursuit of equality with him.

i think it boils down to an attempt to be self sacrificing on her part, because she believes guts truly wants to roam around fighting people and that’s the only thing that will fulfill him, because that’s what guts told her.

but like you make a good point about how sending guts away is bad for griffith and casca should know that so really like… this is evidence of how miura writes women tbh, ie badly, bc pre-sex with guts casca prioritized griffith which is why she attacked guts and screamed at him that it was his fault. post-sex with guts casca’s prioritizing guts and what she believes is important to him based on what he told her.

so yeah ia that it’s pretty much ooc bc it’s such a 180 in the span of 2 days, and it’s not super well written bc it’s all tied into miura’s misogynist writing of casca, but if you accept the stupid premise that her focus shifted from griffith to guts bc she got laid you can see where miura was coming from i guess lol.

seisans
replied to your post “why is every sufjan stevens song so griffguts”

ok wow i just listened to the song you reblogged (i never listened to his songs bc i suck at keeping up with musicians) and holy shit ……. holy fucj

ikr! i haven’t listened to a whole lot of his music but also check out john my beloved, drawn to the blood, to be alone with you, and fourth of july for those griffguts feels imo. tbh it’s probably bc so many of his songs are gay with religious vibes.

this is unrelated but i’ll use this post as an excuse to bring up the fact that modern au griffith loves lady gaga 

yesss

mastermistressofdesire:

dicks-out-for-griffith:

mastermistressofdesire:

strangemonochromes:

Berserk (ベルセルク) // Kentaro Miura

Casca babe. I still don’t know why the fuck you would say that.
It makes zero sense.

Tbh at this point I felt things were happening, only because they had to happen, even if it made no sense to anyone to act like this. Like Casca saying this, as if it still mattered what Griffith saw as a equal. Like Guts acting as if not realizing how severe Griffith’s injuries were and saying he will swing that sword again. Like the Band throwing a fucking tantrum how their future is ruined, while Griffith was 5 steps away and probably listening. Like even Guts and Casca having this talk there, as if he wasn’t sleeping nearby… the amount of moments, where everyone was being inconsiderate was so huge, that it felt kind of…. forced to me 😮 Either this or at this point they had all stopped seeing Griffith as a person already.

And tbh, there was no going back from there on in my opinion, even if he had never been offered to sacrifice them, even if he had accepted living in a broken body, he wouldn’t have accepted being their mascot.

Yeah,
I completely agree actually.

Like of course at this point Miura was trying to take the plot to the eclipse so maybe everything doesn’t make sense from character consistency point of view.

But really if we leave that aside this arc really was evidence that both of what Wyald said and what we knew of Griffith’s apprehensions were almost completely justified.

Like it really just came across as if nobody actually gave a shit about griffith as a fucking human being. And it was upsetting because all this while, we were thinking how Griffith was wrong and being pessimistic and he should maybe stop distancing himself so much. But then griffith was absolutely right all along.

It really just seemed like everyone was waiting for griffith because of the usefulness he’d have to their lives. The moment it became clear that he wouldn’t be able to do that, they immediately ran to Guts to leave with him instead.

Like notice how no one else even tries to visit him after that, I mean yeah okay, you were throwing around words like love before, but okay.

yes , they most probably wouldn’t have abandoned him but that would most probably be because such a thing would be ‘distasteful’ rather than anything else. I mean you might be right about the fact that they’ve already stopped seeing him as a person at this point.

And honestly even with Casca, like this really rubbed me the wrong way- but she has this little bit of internal monologue where she says “Yes now it’s my turn to fulfill this duty. ” And that sense of duty is repeated when she tells Guts that she can’t leave with him.
And wow. So it’s DUTY now ? Like a couple of chapters ago you were wondering why he’d chose Charlotte to bed instead of you and were being jealous of the fact. And now it’s only your sense of duty holding you back. Like honestly I thought you loved this person?
Wow for consistency.

I mean I remember Griffith saying in the lake, while hurting himself that the only thing he can do for his men is to keep winning.

And really he was right.

That’s all they want from him and that’s all that he’s good for in their eyes.

tbh this never bothered me from a writing perspective because it felt very realistic to me

it’s not good and it doesn’t reflect well on the hawks, but it seems consistent because none of them ever gave a fuck about griffith as a person except guts and casca. judeau practically flat out said it during his first chat with guts, when he said everyone followed griffith for his charisma but he couldn’t really say what kind of a man he is.

and it’s partially griffith’s fault for distancing himself. you can’t expect people to care about you as a person if they only know you as a flawless leader. but it’s also definitely dickish of the hawks – but the kind of dickish that doesn’t seem out of place imo, especially in berserk’s shitty world where if you’re accepting that half the men casca runs into want to rape her, ableism doesn’t seem like a stretch.

also in fairness, only corkus made a scene when casca announced the news, and that’s pretty in character for him, and there was only like, maybe a couple hours between that and the eclipse, during most of which griffith was asleep, so there wasn’t much opportunity for people to visit him, or even sort out their feelings beyond abject disappointment that their hopes are dashed.

i actually love casca and judeau telling guts to leave while he’s trying to say he wants to stay, because they are treating griffith as an inevitable burden someone has to deal with, and guts is the only one who isn’t. judeau has his, i’ll take some hawks, start a thieves gang and take care of him, because it’s the least i could do for all he’s done for us. plus being ‘self sacrificing’ for casca’s sake lol.

casca’s feelings are more complex but they also work for me – because she wanted to leave with guts after rescuing griffith and try to move on from her feelings for griffith, and now he needs her, and she’s someone who wants to be needed, so it’s like just as she had hope that she could move on she’s back to square one. also tbh her attitude strikes me as more evidence that she never really loved Griffith, just admired him.

and they both expect guts to view him as a burden so they encourage him to leave – because according to those rules of the battlefield judeau likes to cite so much, he’s no longer a hawk so griffith isn’t his responsibility.

and guts partially wants to stay out of guilt probably, but based on his actions at the start of the eclipse it seems clear that he, more than anyone else in the hawks, still just genuinely likes griffith and wants to be with him in some capacity. he’s the one who speaks out when the godhand says griffith is one of them, he supports and holds him until they’re forcibly separated and then he climbs up to griffith to try to save him, and he refuses to believe griffith sacrificed everyone for quite a while.

idk basically it’s harsh and depressing but it works for me largely bc i never got the sense that anyone except guts genuinely liked griffith as a person, even casca. well charlotte i guess, but w/e. even she believed he’d recover when she wanted to stay with him.

Also speaking of Griffith and Casca and transformations

Once you get down to it using the behelit and becoming an apostle or godhand is in part a magical fantasy metaphor for dealing badly with trauma, right? Within the confines of the fantasy story Griffith’s dark side emerged heightened by the power of evil and turned into a demi god, his heart was frozen, and he became a monster, but metaphorically u can say he’s lashing out and repeating patterns of abuse.

Idk whether Miura would put that in the same words but yk, it’s pretty explicit that you become a monster as a reaction to profound suffering in Berserk (+fate and a magic talisman), and then you turn into a giant dick and it’s basically letting your dark side reign free bc life fucked you and you’re mad about it. It’s not the most kind or sensitive of metaphors lol, especially when it comes to victims like Rosine (and Griffith imo) rather than say a dude who was just mad bc his wife was sleeping around with heathens, but that’s a berserk for u.

Guts is also struggling with the same thing but his magical fantasy metaphor is the berserker armour making him lose control in a rage, so he’s more caught in between, struggling to better himself but occasionally falling into abusive and violent patterns. There’s also the hound, but since he got the armour they’ve basically merged into one metaphor.

Casca is the only one who didn’t get a magical fantasy metaphor, she just broke. Which is partially why I want the behelit to be hers – I dislike the woman being the only “pure” one who passively internalizes pain rather than lashing out, yk?

I feel like I had more of a point with this… idk. Let Casca go on a rampage too, basically.