ontamarama:

vol 2 of the berserk fanzine is on preorder right now until the 25th! (primarily sold through p/os, if you want it you should grab it now)
i got to illustrate a fantastic essay about farnese written by robyn noe. our collab is about four pages long.
i was on vol 1 too & the organizers of this zine + everyone in it is really talented and kind. it’s also more magazine-based than vol 1, smth very refreshing that i think helps the word “fanzine” return to its roots. it’s also quite lengthy at nearly 50 pages and very well-made. please check it out if you get the chance!!!

http://berserkfanzine.tictail.com/
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are your going to read the flame dragon knight novel translation that dark horse is going to release? also i read that they’re going to announce a new berserk project on the same day volume 40 comes out (28th september), what do you think it’s going to be?

yeah i plan to. everything i’ve heard about it makes it actually sound pretty good tbh, like it seems like it incorporates a lot of the kinds of things i enjoy in berserk. and making an apostle the protagonist of a spinoff story is an a+ concept in general.

but i haven’t heard anything about that announcement so i have no idea. I don’t really keep up with berserk related news lol, but hey if anyone else has an idea plz chime in.

sobadpink

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“There is really something to be said about the significance of…”

How do you interpret the scene where Griffith reaches for Guts’ throat?
I’ve read a lot of different takes and enjoy them all quite a bit. Personally I feel that Griffith almost wants to strangle Guts after finally seeing him after almost a year of constantly obsessing over Guts leaving him while he is physically tortured, like he blames Guts for his psychological torture (and is in more pain from that, and not the physical). Guts feels it and doesn’t care and possibly believes he deserves..
Deserves Griffith’s
hatred. The one other comrade (omg I forgot his name???) sees this
exchange and is actually taken aback by them both.
Despite his rage and ill feelings towards Guts, however, Griffith can’t
even make himself act out in strangling (also because he’s weak af but I
mean emotionally) because deep down he is, surprised to admit to
himself, elated to see Guts again and to be held by him.  This is just
my current favorite take but I won’t argue its accuracy!

oh i pretty much agree. i think griffith definitely wanted to kill him there. not “wanted” as in so direct that if he, say, had a gun he would’ve shot him, but more “wanted” the way casca wanted to murder guts when he came back so spent a while swinging a sword with intent to kill but then kind of freaked out when she actually stabbed him.

if he had the physical ability to kill him there i don’t think he would’ve been able to go through with it, but yk, he would’ve probably strangled him for a few seconds before letting go

though i don’t think guts really noticed imo, because if he did i feel like… idk his interactions with griffith up til the eclipse would be different. guts would be more hesitant maybe, if griffith tried to physically lash out bc he blames him for his torture/emotional vulnerability that led to a year of torture, and guts realized that. He’s good at burying his feelings of guilt, but idk if he’s that good.

But ia that if he did notice then his reaction wouldn’t be like, outrage or anything, it would def be guilt.

i have a post i wrote a little while ago in answer to a similar question here, and i go way more into what i think griffith’s emotional state is etc there if you’re interested

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replied to your post “There is really something to be said about the significance of…”

ngriffs true emotional breakdown moment will happen when guts touches him again. miuras just a coward who won’t write it

i could still see it happening

especially after all the emphasis on neogriffith’s untouchability (and rickert being able to slap him), or at the very least i could see a significant touch between them, even if it doesn’t cause a breakdown

but i mean ~i still believe~ berserk’s going to get real gay again when guts and ngriff yk, finally end up in a scene together

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There is really something to be said about the significance of physical contact between Guts and Griffith.

Like the fact is that this intense moment of Guts racing for Griffith, wondering what on earth he can possibly do, is a lead-up to a single touch that sends Griffith into despair. This touch is what causes the Eclipse.

A similar physical touch marks the moment Griffith thinks of when he wonders when Guts gained such a strong hold over him:

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Their first duel is the only fight either of them ever engage in, as far as I recall, featuring direct physical contact rather than swords (or other weapons) clashing, and moreover, the scene depicts the sense of a gradual physical pull between them. Before the duel, Guts wakes up from a nightmare featuring his childhood trauma, falling into a near panic as he wakes up and feels a body on top of him, until he realizes she’s a woman, not a man.

Touch is highlighted as a concept to take note of here, particularly Guts’ aversion to it.

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Guts remembers Griffith as the figure on a horse that he couldn’t reach before collapsing, gazing down at him:

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Then they duel. The fight begins at a distance, with swords. Griffith nearly wins without touching him, and again while on a higher plane than Guts bc goddamn Miura gets a lot of mileage out of that imagery:

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But then Guts bites Griffith’s sword, they lose those swords, roll down a hill, and Guts just starts punching. We get significant commentary from onlookers highlighting the uniqueness of this fight bringing Griffith down from his heights of untouchability:

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As well as from Guts:

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Griffith wins with a hold, and finally:

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The sequence leads up to this intense moment of physical contact: Griffith pulling him up and gazing into his eyes.

Throughout the Golden Age there aren’t a lot of casual touches between them, but when we do see them touch (pre-torture) it’s usually during a very significant moment.

(Or once, casually, right after Griffith has reminisced about this particular fight:

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Not particularly emphasized, but still during a nicely fitting and illustrative moment.)

Griffith remembers another moment of physical contact between them while thinking about how he loses his composure when it comes to Guts:

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And this is the scene that leads to the highest point in their relationship, when Griffith admits he had no logical reason to save Guts and Guts dedicates his sword to him in turn. Plus Casca’s outrage also serves to highlight touch as a feature of the closeness of their relationship – and that relationship’s potential to destroy Griffith(’s dream):

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And of course, at the climactic moment of the arc as a whole, we get this moment:

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Griffith reaches down to pull Guts up to him at the beginning of the first scene we see between them (a contrast to Guts looking up at a distant Femto at the top of the stairs):

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We get a nice close up of their handclasp the first time Griffith saves Guts’ life (again, pulling Guts up):

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A full page the very last time Griffith saves Guts’ life:

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And we get another panel of their hands when Guts lets him go and falls away from him:

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Which brings me to the way there is also a particular emphasis given to the lack of
touch between them, compounding the impression that the physicality
between them is significant.

For instance, in contrast to their first fight where they lost their swords, swords – which each represent their respective dreams here – uh… come between them in chapter one, foreshadowing how dreams tear them apart and also highlighting Guts’ more immediate concern that Griffith is growing distant as he gets promoted and draws closer to attaining his dream:

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(also i love having an excuse to post those 2 subsequent panels)

Eyes meeting across a vast ballroom and through a window as they smile at each other, after another reminder that Guts is planning to leave very soon:

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Guts’ sword falling where we later see Griffith with self-inflicted scratch-marks:

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I obviously can’t skip over Griffith thinking about Guts’ departure at the exact moment he
penetrates Charlotte, followed by Charlotte reflected in his frantic
eyes, emphasizing Guts’ absence here in contrast to Charlotte’s presence. All on the same page in 4 subsequent panels. While he’s fucking Charlotte.
Like, this is by far the gayest hetero sex scene I’ve ever seen.

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Guts reaching for him fruitlessly here:

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Frankly, and not fun but still unfortunately significant to the story, Femto raping Casca while staring at Guts, later compounded by the Beast of
Darkness telling Guts to do the same to get closer to him.

There’s also Femto’s use of telekinesis rather than physical force to keep Guts away from him in the Black Swordsman arc, and the aforementioned staircase of inequality between them.

And of course NeoGriffith’s distance. Both literally:

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And symbolically:

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Physical touch emphasizes their closeness. It punctuates the strong emotions between them. It pulls Guts up and brings Griffith down until they meet together in the middle, illustrating the fact that their emotions for each other make them equals despite their predetermined + false notions of what equality is.

Again:

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It’s highlighted during the moments of their relationship that signify their emotional closeness:

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It’s a contrast to the distance which signifies their relationship falling apart:

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For instance, Guts holding Griffith throughout like half of the post-torture content shows us that he doesn’t want to leave again long before the story tells us that directly.

Griffith asking for his armour rather than taking off his mask, placing a physical barrier between them, shows us that he wants to keep some emotional distance from Guts, because their closeness is devastating to him. And that foreshadows his choice to sacrifice Guts to escape his vulnerability. His demon form incorporates his mask and, so far, they never touch again.

Basically physical touch is one of the tools Miura uses to illustrate their intense relationship, either through its presence or its pointed, painful absence, and I just wanted to take a moment to illustrate some of that, bc I dig it.

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this panel is quite literally berserk in a nutshell. like this is berserk’s conceit. guts, outside and visually separate/“othered” from society, alone in the dark and then griffith, bathed in light (surrounding him in a kind of halo-like glow actually) framed by the ornate windows and curving ballroom walls, with people surrounding him in awe and admiration. two completely totally dissonant settings, light vs dark, civilized vs wild, crowded with admirers vs isolated, yet the setting doesn’t matter to either, because they only have eyes for each other.

xiyyh
replied to your post “hey. have you ever read/watched devilman? I’ve watched devilman…”

iv’e talked about this idea before too! and tbh it’s kinda what i’m hoping for, or something similar at least

honestly after lines like ‘the crystalization of your last tear shed,’ followed up with ‘my blood should have been frozen,’ if ngriff doesn’t cry about guts at some point i’m going to feel ripped off

and if it’s a breakdown at the very end, so much the better

I feel like the reason y Miura refuses 2 verbally acknowledge the shounen ai elements in Berserk is because he knew he wouldn’t reach the same audience he did by ignoring his mangas gayness. I just hope he would at least make it canon in the final chapter. By then he would have nothing to lose. The manga would be done, he already made money off of it, so y not just acknowledge it. Even if it turns out it was platonic it would still count as a shounen ai for the intense bromance feelings going on

yeah like people like to believe that if there are no official rules or laws in place re: censorship then it doesn’t happen, but that’s an incredibly stupid assumption lol, and i’m constantly surprised by how often i see it in arguments about subtext, queerbaiting, etc. behind the scenes of the publishing (or film or tv) industry, everywhere, there are a ton of forces at work that make it more difficult for gay content to exist than straight content.

like gay subtext is a time honoured tradition that straight people are more than practiced at ignoring, gay text is another story entirely. ihni what miura’s actual intent is, but it’s like, certainly possible that he intended for the subtext to be picked up on and incorporated into ppl’s readings of the relationship, but will never acknowledge it, at least not til the story’s long over, bc to do so would be a risk. It would hardly be the first time in media history that’s happened lol.

i mean honestly i’d never bet on griffguts becoming textually canon, even when the story’s about to end, and miura certainly hasn’t earned any benefit of the doubt from me, like i’m not going to believe he’s behind the scenes arguing with his publishers to include non-predatory gay text lmao. but hey it seems like it might be getting to be a little easier to canonize subtext these days at least, and you never know what the future will bring. maybe it’s enough to keep a little spark of hope alive.

at the very least i could easily see the strong subtext coming back with a vengeance the next time their narratives intersect.

hey. have you ever read/watched devilman? I’ve watched devilman crybaby recently and I couldn’t stop thinking about berserk. probably because berserk was inspired by devilman. and I couldn’t stop thinking about griffith and guts and their relationship so I searched and I found your tumblr and your amazing meta. and I’m starting to ship griff and guts. I really can’t stop imagining griffith confessing to guts in the end of berserk like ryo confessing to akira in the last episode of deviman.

Yeah I like Devilman a lot tbh, I’ve seen the first two ovas, crybaby, and read the manga, the sequel, and a few spinoffs. You can definitely see a lot of inspiration for griffguts in ryokira lol, and I love both ships so it’s cool to see ppl checking out one because of the other.

Also yeah honestly a devilmanesque ending for berserk (yk with the whole passionate breakdown) would be so good, I’m with you there.

prettykitten123
replied to your post “murdersounds:
every time i remember wyald i feel ill. that whole ……”

I honestly HATED Wyald. I felt like the whole thing was unnecessary and was only there for shock value. We could already gather that there’s no hope after Judeau examined Griffith’s wounds. If the story continues as normal without the presence of Wyald(in the movie and someone said he wasn’t in the anime either) then that just shows that he wasn’t important and thus not needed

idk i get what you mean bc you def get (most of) the same information without him, but imo you don’t get the same tone. like the plot works fine without the wyald sequence, but both adaptions feel v rushed to me. i like how his presence draws things out and makes the sense of hopeless despair hit slower and worse.

plus there is some great thematic stuff there in the comparisons to the zodd fight, guts‘ stupid dream of killing monsters, stripping away griffith’s armour as a (heavy handed but imo effective) symbol, the kid’s toy metaphor (god i love that), etc. it’s mainly stuff you can pick up on w/out this sequence but i feel like it’s really effective to have these few chapters as a giant hammer hitting some of these points home.

obviously i hate him as a character too lol and like i said i absolutely hate the assaults, both w/ casca and with wyald’s encounter w/ the village, and like wyald’s general awful demeanour lbr, but that’s true of 90% of the sexual assault in berserk lol. like i hate the eclipse rape too, but the first half of the eclipse was still gr8. i hate the fucking stupid possessed horse during that night w/ farnese but i like guts smugly calling ghostly possession a miracle. etc. sadly berserk is full of scenes w/ aspects i love and aspects i hate lol.

Yk it’s kinda funny how much guts fanboys hate griffith. You can’t even mention him in a casual/joking manner or post a nice picture of him that they have to comment how much they hate him. There’s something desperate in the way they try to paint him as an utterly evil psycopath and guts has having nothing but hatred for him despite all evidence to the contrary. Also they seem to get off the idea of guts killing griffith (smth they have in common w/ guts at least lmao). Theyre just stupid funny

Honestly I really don’t get it. When I hate a character I just like, don’t reblog stuff about them just to say ‘i want them to die’ or w/e. You’ll notice there’s not a whole lot of isidro content on my blog for instance lol. like I don’t reblog pics of him to say he sucks, and the urge other people have to do that w/ Griffith is honestly bizarre to me. I mean if you hate him because of the Eclipse rape, then… why do you want pictures and fanart of him on your blog.

I feel like for some people at least it’s due to fear that other people are going to treat them the way they treat Griffith fans lol and call them out if they don’t pre-emptively mention how much they really truly hate him every time his name comes up.

Also maybe sometimes there’s an aspect of like, genuine concern over how Miura has been depicting him as the protagonist of his own narrative rather than a flat-out antagonist, and depicting Guts’ residual mixed feelings and “longing” for him, etc, and they’re overcompensating because they feel like the canon isn’t condemning him hard enough.

But idk I’m sure there are a hundred varied reasons people have for doing what they do lol, and idk I don’t want to blanket judge. Like I always say that there are good reasons to have a visceral dislike of him lol. But I wish they’d keep it to their own original posts instead of reblogging other people’s stuff just to be negative, like ngl it’s the number one reason why I rarely post Griffith related things in the Berserk tag.

murdersounds:

every time i remember wyald i feel ill. that whole … thing, with him, fucked me up irreparably. i can’t even talk about it tbh, it was such a pivotal, symbolic, eye-opening moment in berserk. there was nothing subtle about it. it screams in your face. it’s probably an unpopular opinion, but the shit with wyald hit me so hard that he earned the prestigious title of my most viscerally, whole-heartedly hated character for how simply he decimated any perceived hope in a time we all reallllly wanted some. silly us! what he symbolizes is a raw, mocking, absolutely merciless indifference to our friends, then laughs in our faces for daring to have hope. the whole encounter is barbaric and remorseless and goes beyond the beyond to drive the point home.

lol when i saw he was an unlockable character in berserk musou i shouted WHY??? i’m so … inherently offended about everything wyald represents. mmmh yknow i think it’s because (of all the obvious reasons, but also) its just … fucking sad. we were teased with griffith kinda idk, accepting that his dream was over and he was attempting moving on (and given his state? are you kidding me? he’s so fragile but even an inkling of moving on from this shows uncommon mettle—and i am certain that strength is generated in griffith by the sole comfort of being near guts again, bar-none). but of course, that pseudo comfort is shredded in a very drawn-out, brutal, obscene and obnoxious display of power—definitely to illustrate the contrast of the current lack of power, within the hawks. also very clearly illustrated here is that the overarching DREAM of the golden age is fucking over. it’s obliterated.

idk why i’m thinking about this but it sucks. like damn can griffith get a break? can casca go five pages without being assaulted? does miura just like drawing her nipples or some shit? why is any of this necessary right now? we as readers already get the significance and symbolism without casca being subject to it as well, like damn, why did miura love pointing out her weaknesses at every possible opportunity? sorry, tangent, this in particular makes my blood turn into lava

ughhhhhhh anyhow fuck wyald