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@chaoticgaygriffith said:
Actually, now that you mention it, I never really paid close attention
to how Casca and Guts acted around each other bc I didn’t care for it,
but if Casca really did get Griffith’s eroticised panels once she and
Guts started being a thing, then I have to laugh because that’s just
further proof (as if further proof was necessary) that she was Guts’
replacement for Griffith. As he was hers, although I don’t see her crush
on Griffith as genuine but more of a misidentified emotion of
admiration and gratitude. 

I’m just replying to this instead of reblogging bc that thread is long and full of pictures. feel free to skip this if you don’t feel like reading My Thoughts on Guts’ Attraction to Casca lol, tho it’s v negative.

ngl… after a brief check of some key scenes, ie the ball, the sex scene, guts feeling kind of jealous during the rescue mission, and the huddling in the cave scene, I can say that we got Guts leering at her once when he first sees her in the dress with a cutesy blushy pov shot of her from his perspective, and one (1) panel of her looking sexy from guts’ pov at the very end of the sex scene.

So she doesn’t get nearly the bombshell treatment Griffith does. When Guts looks at her when she’s naked she almost always looks small and vulnerable, rather than erotic. (And I mean unfortunately small and vulnerable can = eroticized, but these shots are mostly Guts empathizing with her so I don’t feel that’s the case). In normal circumstances I’d be like, ok fine gj Miura that’s not a bad thing, but unforch what Guts lacks in finding her a sexy object the “camera” more than makes up for, compartmentalizing her into tits and ass and thighs etc, objectifying her, etc, for the audience’s sake.

I mean I think the most eroticized moment of Guts looking at her, other than the one shot I mentioned from the sex scene, is when he’s picturing her with the hound biting her neck. Which is fucked up but tbh it fits right in with Casca’s narrative treatment. Like she’s more likely to be objectified and made “sexy” for the audience during a rape scene than any other time.

So I mean, I can’t say kudos to miura for not having Guts get a long lingering look at her being sexy, because the audience does all the damn time in absolutely awful circumstances. But I am gonna say that signs point to Guts being gay.

(I know there’s one scene much later where Guts remembers having sex with her and might picture her splayed out on display, but I didn’t have any pics from that saved bc why would I so I have no idea when it was to find it and check.)

(also totally agree about Casca’s crush on Griff not being genuine.)

The sex scene between Casca and Gut seemed to be a form of comforting each other. Strangely I think it has less to do with being sexually attracted.

Maybe Casca looking vurnerable was a necessity of being intimidate with her. She was not so dangerous for Guts like other people (especially men after his trauma), even if I agree that Guts really is at least bi, maybe entirely gay.

Bi…since I kind of had the impression that he thought of her as sexually attractive like you described above. But that doesn t necessarily equate to being in love.

And there was the case that both Casca and Guts perceived Griffith as somebody out of their reach, while Casca was far more present for Guts and vice versa.

Still I envision their being together more as a form of camaraderie and helping each other than just a pure romantic outcome.

Like you told above…Griffith plays a far to much predominant role in both minds.

yeah ia!

Guts and Casca hooking up never felt romantic to me, or like it was even about Guts and Casca. Casca had just tried to kill herself, Guts had just let Casca stab him as a reaction to learning Griffith was in love with him.

But to me it reads like Casca giving up on Griffith (giving him to Guts actually w/ that “I’m so tired… you do the rest” bit) and moving right to Guts bc she doesn’t know how to live for herself, and Guts repressing the revelation that he broke Griffith’s heart by refocusing on Casca.

Whether Miura intended for it to be mildly fucked up idk (I get the feeling that Casca moving from Griffith to Guts IS supposed to be her act of independence lol but if so it definitely doesn’t work for me) but yeah, either way there’s definitely more of a two ppl comforting each other vibe than a True Love vibe.

Really during the entire scene I could feel Griffith’s palpable presence between them.

It’s strange how everything that happens seems to have this hanging reference to Griffith in there.

And really they’re using each other as springboards in a way.
Infact the manga itself draws visual comparisons here.
I don’t think it is coincidental that the way Casca hugs Guts after hearing his story is exactly how she hugs Griffith in the lake all those chapters ago.

Except Guts actually lets her comfort him. It’s like Casca’s second chance to do the one thing she’d desperately once wanted to do and had been unable to.
I think there’s a line somewhat like- “but for once I want to be able to give something too and not just receive, and maybe I can have that with this man”

Similarly with Guts. He’s reeling from the shock of learning that he’d been unable to do anything about Griffith’s sense of identity and resolve crumbling, so he focuses on fixing Casca, another person whose sense of identity and resolve is crumbling, conveniently right in front of him and as an actual attainable end. Comforting Casca is a more accessible way of doing what he now wants to do.

See the thing about G*tsca, it seems to me, is that them getting together wasn’t about realising that they needed each other or suddenly realised that they were in love.

It was about them recognising their own emotional needs at that point and recognising that the other had a chance of being able to fullfill those needs at that moment.

The chapter name even is licking wounds. It’s literally about two very stressed out people, comforting each other. It isn’t about passion, and honestly I don’t think is portrayed to be so even in the canon.

Tbh whatever else I may have beef with Miura about, he isn’t actually guilty of projecting G*tsca as an OTP as far as I remember. He purposely draws parallels to each of their relationships to griffith during the scene, has Casca and Guts both secretly doubt their feelings and get all-around jealous less than 12 hours later, has them kiss or make out zero times after that. Has Guts repeatedly prioritise Griffith during post rescue as well as Eclipse chapters and once again kinda restructures up some of the Early Golden age dynamic between Guts and Griffith with Casca a little off the side once again immediatly post the rescue.

Good point about Casca hugging Guts from behind in an echo of Griffith in the river. It’s obvious imo that Guts is replacing Griffith to her (she p much says that lol) but that’s a gr8 visual parallel that adds to it.

And yeah same, like, it’s part of what keeps me reading Berserk – the fact that I don’t think G*tsca was ever or will ever be a grand true love romantic thing. It definitely feels downplayed to me – like Miura said, added for extra Eclipse drama but not intended from the beginning.

Idk basically i agree with you.