mastermistressofdesire:

yesgabsstuff:

bthump:

@yesgabsstuff said: I totally
agree that this is a child’s idea and I guess that’s what makes it so
upsetting to me? That its emotionally stupid and an intellectual
failure? Idk man.

tbh the idea that griffith stumbled into his dream and worked backwards to justify it feels a little absurdist to me, which i love, especially in conjunction with Berserk’s take on fate/meaning, ie, humans literally create it out of a desperate need and it fucks them over.

but yeah there is something inherently upsetting in the idea that everything that went down in berserk is ultimately because of something stupid and childish. it’s the kind of upsetting i dig though haha.

tho now that I think about it wrt his higher aspirations (equality, nobles suck, etc) we know he had them before the kid died because of how he saved Casca, so I do think those were always part of his motivation for becoming king, but… I tend to think they’re a little childish at heart too, for Griffith. More born out of obstinacy, with actual philosophy and reasoning applied later.

Yeah, I mean there was no way I think that he could back down from how he was feeling. The idea that there would be an intellectual framework to hang his feelings on, even if it was contradictory and self aggrandizing must have felt like a relief.

Oh hell yeah.

I think that’s what fills everyone around him with that sense of wonder. The fact that it isn’t a well thought out dream. The fact that anyone who would sit down and analyse the ‘i want a kingdom’ statement with respect to where Griffith started from would find it absurd.

But that analysis would come from maturity belying cynicism – from knowing that the world is an unfair place filled with unfair people. And Griffith’s dream existing despite that seems to undermine this belief. Because a dream like that could only exist in a fair world with fair people and it retroactively gives the people who hear about it, and hear Griffith’s absolute conviction to make it  a reality, a sense of hope. A sense that the world will change around that dream to contain it, create a warp of the fair world in the unfair world and hard past each of them is trying to escape from.

And honestly I think that’s what drew them to him. It wasn’t just Griffith being a manipulative person or exceptionally charismatic. Though obviously that is there.

It’s because Griffith gives them hope.

And bleaker the world is, the harder we cling to what gives us hope.

And I always personally thought that Griffith’s whole point about ‘giving back’ to those who gathered around him was a little backwards. In his mind, they were drawn to him for an inexplicable reason and fought his wars for him and now he has to ‘pay them back’ by giving them victory.

Where as it seems more like they joined him for the hope he gave them. Stayed and fought to continue to cling to that hope and gave back in terms of their loyalty to him.

@bthump

this is perfect and i have nothing i can add so i’m just gonna underline it with manga panels

oh wait i lied i do have something to add, wrt your last two paragraphs:

ouch.

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